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Topic: Linda Goodman's Birth Chart, Confirmed
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Lonake
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posted March 31, 2011 01:34 AM
  
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I remember reading that as the Leo Asc grows old they will surprise most by becoming quite the recluse.
Leo rising here and I will be the first to say that I don't like the spotlight, and if I wrote a book my picture would not be on it. FWIW Also, I have Saturn in the 3rd and many teachers/professors have praised me on my writing ability and I would always win writing contests (poetry, etc) in school. That being said, I do see a cat in her  Meow! She has a very cool photo of herself on her books. I always thought it was great, now I see a lioness in reclining pose   IP: Logged |
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posted March 31, 2011 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Nine:
I remember reading that as the Leo Asc grows old they will surprise most by becoming quite the recluse.
ooh! No wonder im a leo ascendant.I dint know about this before thank you.
I too would avoid cameras and photo shoots at all costs.
And yes linda does seem to have a hint of lioness on her face..but im not sure of her DOB though. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted March 31, 2011 01:50 AM
Leo ascendant here, too. With True Node in 12th.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted March 31, 2011 01:51 AM
First, I don't know much if anything about her life, but if she was a recluse at some point as some of you seem to mention, look at the chart, it has Moon Saturn conj IC in Scorpio, Moon rules h12, our downfall (or at least a vulnerable spot in the chart where things can go awry if we're not careful) and it's made to stick to its guns at the bottom of the chart. She knew where her home was where she felt comfortable and she wanted to hang on to that position for dear life, she didn't want nosy peeps around her as this was a very private and personal matter for her. Yes she has the Sun in the 9th, but it doesn't have to be expressed through world travel, it's the house of publishing and that's good enough for me, she expressed her writing in a fiery no bones about it Aries manner and she wrote her heart out. So that's a 1, 2 punch taking care of the Asc ruler and the Sun. Mc ruler is Venus conj the Sun, so there ya go, she knew what she wanted to do.I don't know about the triple Aries business, I'd have to see the book again because I don't see triple Aries in this chart by any means. But like someone else pointed out, she could have easily said that to throw others off track, strong Neptune conj Asc protecting the Scorpio Moon/Saturn/Ic - Not saying that's what happened, but I can see it as a possibility. This chart has a lot of creative ideas and knowledge that they want to bring forth and they also have aspects for secrecy and wanting a certain piece of life for themselves. Maybe she just didn't want anyone reading her chart? IP: Logged |
bonadea33
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posted March 31, 2011 06:16 AM
Linda Goodman's time of birth, 1:56 pm is from Astrotheme. Somebody here has criticized just Astrotheme, where from they have their sources. Here are other two Natal Charts from Linda:
  Now, who can read her face, can know what is true and what is not. I have her book "Love and Signs" but have never read the book. Maybe, I should. B. ------------------
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Mblake81
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posted March 31, 2011 06:36 AM
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Juniperb,It's very possible Linda was referencing her "Alias" birth chart, as she obviously wanted to hide her true birth date (very Scorpio moon, mind you )
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Coffee
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posted March 31, 2011 09:15 AM
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When did Leo Ascendants take to pioneering efforts and staying in places alone such as Cripple Creek, away from being the center of attention? 12th House Neptune?
All the time, especially when the ruler of 1st house (OUTER FACE/personality) is placed in Aries. I do not care to comment much on the chart. Except to make a comment about people and their times. Especially astrologers who know what it can do, but somehow can't do it themselves, they hide their natal chart. Rather than saying I don't want my time revealed, they would lie and give the wrong time. This from a woman who made sure she kept her natal chart hidden. Of course it's possible that any comment made in regard to her natal chart, could well be a lie, it may not too. You people need to stop thinking as these people are gods and can do no wrong.
Many people lie about their natal chart, in order to keep things hidden from others. IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted March 31, 2011 11:10 AM
IMHO, Aries Ascendant is 100% confirmed and so is Sun in 12th House.Some examples based on some important landmarks of her life:
1. Gooberz started in 1967, Jupiter in her 5th and Saturn in 12th. Gooberz Expanded the Concepts of True Love and exposed the Hidden Side of Soul Mates, Miracles etc.
As per Leo Ascendant, it would be Saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 1st. The book was not about a heroic individual struggle against taxation, death or government. 2. Star Signs, the book that helps OTHERS [7th] Transform [Pluto] and attain SELF-ACTUALIZATION [True Node] using OCCULT WISDOM [12th] was published 1987 when Pluto was in her 7th Scorpio and True NOde was in her 12th House Aries.
As per Leo Ascendant, there was nothing in her 7th, True Node was in 9th [She never travelled abroad to promote her book, there were no foreign sponsors, she did not write this in Chinese plus she was already published ]. 3. When she lost Sally on 9th December 1973, Sun, Mercury and Neptune were in 8th and Uranus was in 7th. Chiron was in 12th.
Is there a better house placement for these planets to indicate a conspiracy of a cabal in a hushed up act that suddenly created a loss of a loving relationship and separation? With Leo Ascendant, Neptune and Sun and Mercury are in 5th. What was the Spiritual and Intellectual "Joy" or "Luck" for Linda to lose Sally? Any more takers for Leo Rising?
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lalalinda
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posted March 31, 2011 12:04 PM
Maybe we can get Aselzion to comment.  iQ, brilliant. If you give Linda an Aries Ascendant and put her Sun in the 12th then that can explain her reclusiveness.
Also, her ruling planet Mars/Gemini/3rd
decribes perfectly what motivated her, Writing. IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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posted March 31, 2011 05:56 PM
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posted March 31, 2011 06:17 PM
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Lonake
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posted March 31, 2011 06:24 PM
I agree with Coffee that there are people who lie about their birth info, even astro savvy celebs who would like their charts to confer a more glamorous persona (Maybe a lot of Virgos would do this )Anyway, I was thinking about that name, and wondering can you go further back or forward in time and maybe there was someone else born with that name and that listing isn't hers. Just a thought. IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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posted March 31, 2011 06:31 PM
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dysfunctionalmystic
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posted March 31, 2011 06:47 PM
You're all been given some fairly good evidence for a real accurate birth time and you still don't believe it? Stop trying to make it fit your own perceptions, sun and mercury in the 9th house describe her interests in the higher mind...and for the record I've got both of those in the same place and I haven't travelled the world...yet. and thinking about it so has my brother and he's only left the country twice in his life.Saturn in the 3rd could give her the discipline to write rather than restricting her efforts and she was hardly a recluse, she spoke to people happily when she was out and about in cripple creek. she wrote a lot but was not prolific compared to the likes of stephen king. And Mercury is conjunct the mc? known for writing?
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posted March 31, 2011 06:52 PM
Good point. Have traveled solo internationally a number of times and I've nothing in the 9th. Charts can't really be read that simplistically. I was stating in my post that getting published and being internationally known fits in well with the 9th house influence, but I'm not really set on one chart or another.IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted March 31, 2011 06:53 PM
Lotis - There's a book by Judy Hall called Hades Moon which discusses (in great detail) all about plutonian moons and the themes of death connected to mothering, she gives plenty of case studies and it would definitely fit with Linda losing her daughter. Moon saturn conjunction in scorpio does describe the loss of sally IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted March 31, 2011 07:05 PM
And sorry but had to add....she was the first for many...as in she inspired (and still does) so many on their own personal journey...very sun in aries in the 9th. The 9th house is also very opinionated...which Linda was. She is also considered to be one of the key figures in starting the current new age movement...also a 9th house affair. IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted March 31, 2011 07:23 PM
A few years back I brought up the astrotheme chart which has a Leo Ascendant.
(and an April 10th birthday)
Our Moderator Aselzion who knew Linda said no. I don't remember his reason (there was a good one) But I do remember the no. I'll go look for the post. EtA: I found it 
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Winged Leo
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posted March 31, 2011 07:37 PM
I’m still not convinced that she was born on April 9th, 1925 with an Aries ASC. I have tested her horoscope for Ascendant 23 degrees Leo and it does work for Solar Arcs and Transits to the “angles” of her horoscope. For example, she moved to NewYork in 1963 (very likely in April) when she had tr Saturn oppose ASC and tr Neptune oppose MC. It was a major move for her career. In 1967 when she began writing “Gooberz”, SA Pluto was conjunct her ASC (“extremely important time of life”) and SA Neptune was square ASC (“spiritual projection” about Occult matters on to her writing). Notice that Neptune rules the 8th= occult and secret knowledge. She probably started writing in early September, 1967 when tr Jupiter (ruler of 5th; true love, children) was conjunct her ASC because she, in Gooberz, talks about her 2 significant relationships (William Snyder & Robert Brewer), and also the book touches on the births of her 4 children (wikipedia). In April/May 1970 when she moved to Colorado, tr Saturn was conjunct MC, also SA Saturn=Node (“aloneness” time with herself). In November 1970, she met her TwinSoul Robert Brewer, tr Jupiter was conjunct ASC. I’m guessing she lost him around late April, 1973 when tr Uranus (ruler of the 7th; love partner/relationship) was oppose her Sun, and P. Moon was square MC. When she lost her daughter Sally on December 9th, 1973 P. Moon was conjunct ASC, and Sun, Mercury and Neptune were in the 4th, not in the 5th! She was all focused on an important family matter which was her daughter‘s mysterious disappearance. SA Neptune was also semisquare Jupiter (tricky legal situation). At that time she also had SA Saturn sesquiquadrate MC (“Major change in the family; possible death concerns within the extended family circle”) this aspect alone clearly explains the whole tragic event. (using Noel Tyl’s keywords) iq, how do you explain her best-selling books? Her never-ending interest to explore the truth? Linda even founded a new religion she termed Mannitou, a synthesis of teachings from St. Francis of Asissi and some Native American tribes. (Sun, Mercury and Venus in the 9th). She had 7 children. And she was fortunate to find her TwinSoul (ruler of the 5th in its own house). She was a very generous person (Leo=generous heart) but some of her friends also described her as “moody and stern” ( Scorpio Moon/Saturn in the 3rd)… Do measurements to the ASC/MC and Moon you think that fits her correspond to the significant events in her life? IP: Logged |
Winged Leo
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posted March 31, 2011 08:07 PM
Her books did travel the world! IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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posted March 31, 2011 09:55 PM
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posted March 31, 2011 10:23 PM
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Well… if Aselzion (who was a Moderator) actually knew Linda and also knew for sure that she was not a Leo Asc. Then she was not a Leo Asc. That’s the bottom line…
Lotis White, nice to meet you! Aselzion is still a moderator and he worked closely with Linda for a time. I too, trust his insights on Lindas chart. As well, I give credence to what her son, Michael Goodman, stated yo us about her being a triple Aries. ------------------
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Lonake
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posted March 31, 2011 10:37 PM
Well she didn't tell him right, he was just reading clues from the book like the rest of us. (?)IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted April 01, 2011 04:45 AM
Dear Winged Leo,
Far too many points favor the Aries Ascendant.
Lotis White has also listed so many points wonderfully.I do not have 100% evidence that she was born only on 9th April though, it may well have been 10th April giving a Scorpoio Moon, I don't know, but I could not help wondering at those who trust a 1925 document for birth time. In those days, the time that the document receiver says is the birth time, that is written as the birth time. Unless a witness who remembers [mother , grandmother] can corroborate, it is wiser to use Astrology itself to arrive at the Ascendant.
Edgar Cayce for instance, we could corroborate the birthtime thanks to his Grandmother's statements. Here is one more amazing astrological evidence. I use Equal House System like Linda BTW. If she had a Leo Ascendant, Transit Uranus would never, ever have been in her 7th House. Never ever.
How many people do we know who have had failed marriages and relationships without ever having Transit or Natal Uranus in their 7th House? It is Uranus in 7th that creates all kinds of sudden changes, especially in relationship interactions. 1972 to 1980, this period totally changed her life. Uranus was in 7th in this period as per Aries Ascendant. I think the Robert Brewer episode also occurred in this period, 1972, when he fled as Uranus became retro after conjuncting her DSC. Such events do not occur when Uranus is in 3rd House. Ponder about this. And ponder about the Chiron point made by Lotis, it is actually better than some of my points. More points:
2 strong marriages failed and one lover fled. Maps to Saturn in 7th considering her generation. She started studying Astrology in the mid 1960s according to Sam Goodman. She would study for 20 hours a day he said. IS this not akin to having an amazing new love in life? And this love yielded her Brain Children, her books. This is a 5th House and 3rd House [Learning, Writing] theme and occurred when True Node was in 3rd with Pluto, Mars, Uranus having a conjunction in her 5th, according to Aries Rising. Her first Best Seller was in 1970, when North Node was in 11th [Receiving Success, building networks, friends, new contacts by the ton]. Pluto and Uranus were in 6th, Astrology had become her "Wage Earner" but as an Aries Rising, she was very much Self Employed. Jupiter was in 7th, giving her expansion from new relationships [Like Publishers] and Neptune begun its fated occult Journey in 8th, the tragedies to follow awaiting Uranus in 7th.
The bit of Leo that some see in her life is her attaining the Leo True Node requirements in stages.
You made a very good point about how her books traveled the world. What did she offer in her books? She put her Soul into them, she charged them with her Consciousness. Guess where her Draconic Ascendant and Sun are with Aries Rising? SAGITTARIUS  Case Closed for now. Will re-investigate if Aselzion, BibiDeAngelo and Crytal Bush jointly testify that she was Leo Ascendant. ------------------
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bonadea33
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posted April 01, 2011 05:35 AM
Lotis White,You are welcome, anytime. Very well, how you and IQ have described Natal Chart from Linda Goodman. Looking her Photo form younger age and her Natal Chart with Aries ASC: it could be right, as she had Jupiter in her 10th. I am always searching for the people with Jupiter in 10th, because they have noble look. About loss of her child is very easy to explain: look the ruler of her 5th, the Sun in square with Pluto, ruler of her 8th. I am enough in "DEATH CASES" to know a bit about that. On the end: I don't understand Astrologers who don't leave their exact birth data's; or their Natal Chart. I have read that during her life she didn't give the right year of her birth. After my death I won't care if the whole world knows when I was born. Bobbie
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