posted April 01, 2011 08:25 AM            

kiefer sutherland....off the top of my head, loads of politicians have also got sun in the 12th, tony blair former british prime minister, george w bush,

astrodatabank gives the 10th of april with a rating of A, it's one of the most reliable sources in the world...

posted April 01, 2011 08:58 AM            

Correct, they have too many secrets. They even swear others to secrecy, which is why WikiLeaks has all politicians worried.
So thanks for further confirming Linda's 12th House Sun. 9th House Suns do not keep secrets like this, unless the Sun is afflicted with an exact Neptune square, and the Ascendant happens to be Pisces.

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astrodatabank gives the 10th of april with a rating of A, it's one of the most reliable sources in the world...
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Good for them. We cannot dispute the date so easily, it does not even matter actually.
The issue is more for the birth time, and it is proven beyond a shadow of doubt that she can only have an Aries Ascendant, unless you wish to redefine the Astrological Meaning of Houses.
Which is also fine as long as everyone who redefines the meaning of houses sticks to that in all their interpretations consistently, including their own Chart.

posted April 01, 2011 10:10 AM            

and how about aspects to mercury for keeping secrets? or a heavily plutonian person?

posted April 01, 2011 10:34 AM            

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Perhaps many of you have just not had the pleasure of interacting with sufficient Leo Risers to know their appearance or approach to life, nor know anything about Nodes square Saturn and Moon.
The context of Linda's Triple Aries comment was made when she said a bookstore owner who proved to be better than her was a triple Capricorn. Anyway, research more about the life of people with Sun in 9th House and Saturn conjunct Mon in 3rd. Once you know the basics of ascendants, aspects and houses, make her chart from her life experiences and see how accurate it is with the two charts. That is the best way. If you get the April 10th version when you honestly analyze her life and make your chart, then that is the exact way you must proceed with Astrology.

I will also check to to see if there are more prolific writers with heavily afflicted Moon-Saturns in 3rd writing tons of tomes and best sellers, and who have not traveled abroad with Sun in 9th. How many Sun in 9ths avoid blabbering secrets? How many Suns in 9th swear close ones to keep a secret? Why should anyone take Sun in 12th description seriously if Sun in 9th behaves the same?

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I don't know. My boyfriend, who I've known for over 10 years, has 4 planets in the 9th house, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus with Moon OPPOSITE Saturn in the 3rd house. He refuses and will not travel. He's the most quiet person you've ever met. I'll give it to you that's he's definitely not a writer. Not a bad one, just not the writing type.

But he is certainly not a traveler. Not into higher ed. Absolutely not into religion. Interested in the foreign, but not to the extent that a heavy 9th house person should be. Maybe there's something to be said for that.

Just sayin'

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posted April 01, 2011 01:12 PM            

Her death (12th house, not 8th house) can be seen by the full MOON conjunct her SUN in the weeks before.

At the time of her death, house 1 and 11 (fame) were both in opposition to natal planets Sun and Mercury.

posted April 02, 2011 05:11 AM            

I have seen the official registry scan which clearly indicates a Mary Alice Kemery to be born on the 10th.

But this was 1925.

I know my own grandparents born during the 1920s assert that the actual time of birth and the registry entry do not always coincide.

What if this was the case here? What if Linda's birthday was registered as being a day late? After all it is not a hospital timestamped certificate we have, but a registry recording stating that a child was born? What if she was registered the day after her birth?

I know for some this may seem like I am grasping at straws, but I tried the Leo ascendant, I really did, and it does not seem to fit either what Linda herself asserted (1 planet in Libra, triple Aries, etc and the way she portrayed herself) nor the persona we can construct of her out of her writing and second hand accounts from people she touched.

One factor which I think is interesting is that people who are seeing her as a Leo ascendant - you do realize that Aries Ascendant gives her sun conjunct ASc anyway?

This sun/Asc conjunction can potentially explain the leonine warmth and 'glow', the 'feline-like' appearance someone noted earlier in the thread.

The following observations include the use of asteroids, so if this is not your cup of tea, please disregard it

Firstly, the Aries Asc:

Aries Asc gives her Jupiter conjunct asteroid Linda in her 10th. This was her public face. Jupiter the benign guru that's larger than life and full of optimism and good will. Wasn't Linda always chasing rainbows and asserting the impossible to the masses in such a jovial manner that they would forget for a while the dreary *impossibility* and marveled in wonder at the 'what if..' of it all.
This was how the world saw her.

The Capricorn MC fits well with her being coy about her age - often stating that she was 'hundreds' of years old - how Capricorn is that?

This Jupiter/Linda conjunction in 10th is also involved with an opposition to her Pluto/Lilith (BM) IC conjunction.

A clear indication of deep soul trauma and great loss (BM Lilith). The pluto/ lilith on IC in cancer (water)indicate something hidden, covered up and deviant about the nature of her pain. Pluto rules the underground, the clandestine and the occult. If there is a conspiracy involving the death of Sally, a Pluto/Lilith conjunction is a pretty good indication of this.

Pluto also rulers her 8th (which can show great loss) and her asteroid child is placed there as further indication of potential loss of a child (interestingly, Child squares Kaali with 0Deg orb).

North Node in Leo in the 5th - didn't Linda want to be remembered as a poet? Great indication for the need for creative self-expression, and with Neptune being placed here, its no wonder sublime poetic writing and poetry were her choice of self expression medium.

She also has asteroid Atlantis (1st) opposite Saturn (7th) exact creating a T-sqare with her North Node (or grand square with the South Node included).

Plenty of indication of karmic connection to Atlantis, wouldn't you say?

With Aries Asc, this configuration involves her 1st/5th/7th houses, which to me fits much better than the alternative.

Chiron on Asc with Aries Asc - the wounded wise mentor who while healing many others, cannot themselves be healed.
Linda's life played this out to a T.

I think her Mercury in Taurus works because with an Aries Asc (and equal houses)it becomes the ruler of her 3rd, being in her first house. People saw her as a writer and communicator.

Her mercury is also unaspected.

And it is retro.
It is also the ruler of her Mars (which is important to her Mars rules her Sun,Venus and potentially Asc are all Aries)
I think there is plenty of indication for a writer and communicator right here.

There is much more, but I think I have taken up enough space to stop here for now

Leo Asc.

I have known a number of individuals with Neptune on the Ascendant, and with Leo rising Linda would have this.

I don't think anyone who ever actually met Linda would describe her as having Neptune on Asc, and all the written documentation and first hand accounts of her behavior support this.

She doesn't display any of the characteristic physical features of a Neptune riser, and her energy is firm and radiating, nothing ambiguous and nebulous there.

She does not come across as nebulous or amorphous in either her speech, writing or self presentation.

Also, for someone who dealt with so many metaphysical subjects and was aware of the bigger picture outside our limited physical bodies with such certainty, I can hardly attribute this to a full 9th house, but a full 12th fits incredibly well.

posted April 02, 2011 12:21 PM            

Popcorn it seems strange then as generally when someone refers to themselves as a double or triple something, it is understood to be planets + Ascendant, and not generally ruling planets or dispositors.

posted April 02, 2011 03:37 PM            

But anything is possible I guess)))

posted April 02, 2011 04:33 PM            

Can someone clear this up for me please.....

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Birth time confirmed by records bureau:

Linda Goodman was born in Morgantown, West Virginia. Although Goodman never revealed her year of birth, swearing even her father to silence, it emerged posthumously that she was born in 1925. Linda was born at 1.56pm on the 10th April 1925 according to the records bureau..

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posted April 02, 2011 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
Having rectified more charts than Linda Goodman and Lois Rodden combined, hopefully my short astro explanation will be of some value.

Can someone clear this up for me please.....

Is this rubbish? What is the reason this is written? Is it because this is the truth, or because someone has just made a statement without foundation?

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posted April 02, 2011 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
I guess I could go all the way through this again....or...

So, are these birth records true or false?

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posted April 02, 2011 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
In what way, if any at all, are these records debatable?

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I don't think they are debatable, Coffee.

posted April 02, 2011 05:23 PM            

but for the record projection is when you see yourself in another so if the leo/scorp are seeing something then it has to be there somewhere or there would be no hook for the projection, if I wanted to be areal pain I'd say that neptune was right on her ascendant...the perfect mirror.

posted April 03, 2011 05:22 AM            

Those cheekbones are in no way leo, and
there is no 'squareness' to her face that would indicate a fixed sign, nor does she have the leo nose nor eyes.

The eye shape and the twinkle, is so very aries/gemini. The deadpan stare too. The angularity of her face is very aries, the shortness of the nose, the eyebrows! Leos have a less angular face structure, their planes are far less pronounced.

And yes, a 'triple' something in the strict sense means Sun,Moon and Asc.

Coffee what was your rectified verdict for Linda's chart? (I am sorry I missed it if you have posted it already).

Also, where did the 'official' birth time come from? On that scanned Registry document it just has the date of the registration of birth (once again not the actual time and date of birth, just when the born child was registered).

This is why I believe these records may be debatable Plutosquared and coffee:

A) it is NOT a birth record from the hospital, but the registration of birth, which may take place after the birth event.

B) it does not give the time of birth on the birth register.

Of course I may be incorrect, or lacking some vital information that makes the Leo Asc a dead certainty.

For the record, this Redstar has no Leo placements not that it would influence my standpoint either way.

posted April 03, 2011 06:00 AM            

In terms of her personality, I went by what is written about the way she was in her books, interviews and by people who knew her personally, either family, co workers or friends (some of whom are on this site).

For example, the quoted story attributed to Michael Goodman on pg 1 of this post, regarding the Clyde-Linda face-off ends with Linda conceding first and mending the situation by hugging Clyde and telling him she loves him, all this after driving the poor man nuts with her conviction to the point where he was ready to leave the house and run.
This type of behavior is much more likely to come from an Aries Asc (quick to fire up the temper and jump into battle, but just as quick to forget and forgive - like a child would) than a Leo Asc. Not many Leo asc would concede to an offending party, especially if they believe they are right.

But this is all just my interpretation of the above story Others may see it differently I am sure.