posted April 03, 2011 12:17 PM            

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For example, the quoted story attributed to Michael Goodman on pg 1 of this post

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Redstar, I`m happy to see you read Michaels input when addressing the issue!!

I can attest to the fact actual birth data and time of registration can be days to months apart. Especially back in the day of Linda`s birth. It just wasn`t as important as it is today with social security #`s or insurance being at the forfront of birth date being registered immediately.

My hospital certificate birth and it being recorded was 7 weeks apart.

posted April 03, 2011 12:53 PM            

No serious astrology student can accept 2 failed marriages, one sudden end to a relationship and one sudden disappearance of daughter from a chart with no Saturn in 7th nor a Uranus transit to 7th ever in the lifetime, just because of a 1925 Registrar Document with no corroborating evidence from hospital or witness of birth, in days without computers and when not every home had a telephone.

What is the use of Astrology for one not courageous enough to apply one of the most basic and easy interpretations:
Saturn in Natal 7th and Uranus Transit to 7th breaks relationships.

posted April 03, 2011 01:05 PM            

Greetings IQ Good to see you here!

I concur.
Natal Saturn in the 7th/ Tr Uranus 7th.
The other chart just does not work given the facts of Linda's life that we know for certain.

I'd add to your list:

A Scorpio moon/Saturn conjunction as someone whose writing clearly reflects much preoccupation with relationships and love,and the ability to break those tricky human emotions down and present them to the masses in a way that is accessible to all.

A Libra moon is much more likely.

A woman who lost a number of children through miscarriages or in infancy, and THEN lost an adult daughter in somewhat sinister circumstances - has a Jupiter in the fifth house? (in fact, the ruler of the fifth in the fifth in rulership!)

Not very likely.
(In the Aries Asc chart her fifth ruler is Sun in 12th, conjunct chiron, pointing to wounding. It also contains Neptune, which can sometime indicate loss)

The same Jupiter in fifth would lead to prolific creativity, and while Linda did write a lot, her 'creative' works can be said to be contained in Gooberz. The nature of which is so very Neptunian.

posted April 03, 2011 01:29 PM            

I wish we had access to the birth data of Linda's children - for reverse deduction of their mother's chart placements.

posted April 03, 2011 04:09 PM            

9th house means many things. Not just “world travel”. 9th house rules higher education, higher understanding and consciousness, learning/teaching, publishing, law and justice, politics, strong exploratory drive, cultures and overseas, belief and religion, foreign travel…etc. And what did she write in her books? She wrote about her “higher understanding” about belief systems, Astrology, occult truths she had explored in her studies… and for what? TO TEACH! To expand the horizons of people from all over the world. This was her life mission. Ruler of ASC in the 9th. And she was on the right path following her 12th house Node (5th house Node makes no sense to me, sorry). All of her books were published overseas and she reached the hearts of millions. How do you think a 12th house Sun, Venus, Uranus person could ever achieve something like this without a strong 9th house influence?

She did what she did in a “magical” way. She was a person with very rich imagination and extraordinary creativity. Leo ASC with Neptune on it! Nearly in all of her photos I've seen so far she looks at you with dreamy eyes (check the photo Lonake posted). Her facial features don’t seem Arian to me. But this is not important. When testing birth times, we must only focus on measurements to the ASC, MC and Moon. Trying to find out Ascendant for someone by looking at their photos wont give a healthy result. It may give an idea, but that’s it.

Redstar, I don’t know if you read my analysis in my last post but I believe my points are just as valid as iq and you think yours are. That chart works with Leo ASC. All major SOLAR ARCS and transits to the Angles corroborate with the significant events of her life.

posted April 03, 2011 04:37 PM            

I found your post very well thought out
and you bring up many great points.

The clues Linda herself left about her chart in her writings plays a large role in me supporting the Aries Asc chart.
Of course, as many have stated, she might have been misleading us, but somehow it seems unlikely to me.

I will see if I can do some Solar Arcs based on the Aries Asc 9th April chart if I get time, and come back and report.

posted April 04, 2011 10:25 PM            

Although Linda never revealed the full contents of her own birth chart publicly, a chart cast for around 8:23 a.m. on April 9, 1925, in Morgantown, West Virginia, matches all the aspects she did reveal about her natal chart and the circumstances she believed about her birth.

posted April 05, 2011 05:27 AM            

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'She chose a powerful time to leave. Neptune was on her ascendant and a Jupiter/Moon conjunction straddled her descendant. She always told me that Jupiter should be involved in a death because from the soul's point of view it was such a great boon to leave.'

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Linda here is talking about transits to Lois's chart.

Point in case, you know for a fact whichever chart you take for Linda, she didn't have a Moon/Jupiter conjunction.

I don't believe Linda stated anywhere that she had Neptune on Asc.

posted April 05, 2011 06:06 AM            

Source Notes

posted April 05, 2011 06:27 AM            

Thank you for the reference too.

This explains where the birth time for the Leo Asc came from - not from the birth record, but from another astrologer rectifying her chart based on what someone else remembered being told about Linda and her Neptune on Asc.

So we have a document recording a birth, showing that the birth of Mary Alice was recorded on the 10th Of April.

This is the only 'solid' piece of evidence we have. But it isn't foolproof as recording of births back then didn't always happen straight away.

The birth time for that chart is unreliable - being a memory based rectification based on 3rd party hearsay.

Which makes it just as reliable as the assertion of the Aries Asc.

I still think this is weaker evidence (3rd party quoting from what someone else was told by Linda herself) than using what clues Linda wrote into her books.

Of course, if she was misleading people on purpose, all of this is moot.

Still, astrologically I find it hard to reconcile a person who lost 3 children in infancy, plus a daughter to 'suicide' to have ruler of the 5th in the 5th (Jupiter) with no extreme malefic aspects.
(EDIT: dysfuntional helpfully pointed out Jupiter is in Cap, in it's fall)

posted April 05, 2011 07:04 AM            

Linda refused to accept her own mother's version about her birth as she refused to accept the police in the case of her daughter...I think I'd prefer a libra moon to a scoprio one lol.

posted April 05, 2011 07:16 AM            

What was her mother's version?
I have to say, with all this ambiguity abounding regarding her placements and birth time, that Neptune on Asc seems more and more attractive

You would attribute a moon/sat on IC (form the 3rd) to children and loss of children?

posted April 05, 2011 09:42 AM            

A registry of birth is not the same thing.

posted April 05, 2011 10:19 AM            

I must say you have given a superb present to yourself. Once you read the various facets of her life, you will be in an even better position to analyze her chart. Yes, we must use Solar Arc to further refine the analysis.

More Points:
Neptune conjunct Ascendant will make the person a confused yet Mystical Soul whose writing will also be very confusing. They will write Zen Koans better than detailed books. Linda was clear and methodical in her writing.

Another old knowflake here confirmed to me that Linda has to have a Pisces Ascendant as per Vedic Astrology. She was taught by a powerful Guru and she even knew the technique of horoscope analysis using Face Analysis and Palmistry. This just cannot be possible with a Tropical Leo Rising.

Aselzion is far more knowledgeable about Linda than third party hearsay.

Progressed Ascendant from Aries Rising Chart conjuncts Natal Mars between 1971-1972, the much younger Robert Brewer affair days. There is no such conjunction with a Leo Rising Chart.

posted April 05, 2011 10:35 AM            

Now remember this was 86 years ago,
not everyone had a car or telephone and television wasn't even invented yet.

Not to throw confusion into the mix
(hey Mercury is currently Rx)
I'm expanding on the CE exert from above
http://consciousevolution.com/Astrology/AboutLinda.htm

Linda also says her chart was blessed by trines from Gemini, Neptune and Mars. In the chart as cast, Linda's ascendant shows up at about 9 degrees Gemini, and indeed there are trines emanating from the point of her Gemini ascendant as well as from Neptune and Mars. Neptune, the planet of dreams, trines her Sun and Venus. The ascendant and Mars, both located in quick-thinking, communicative Gemini, trine the mid-heaven point in the chart. Suggestive of how one might be remembered in the world, Linda's mid-heaven point is in the New Age sign of Aquarius.