posted September 20, 2012 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
really? does this apply to me? even in fixed signs? i can't imagine it at all. venus in taurus 7th square moon in leo 10th. what would the separate desire be anyways? i think i'm following my moon at the moment, my partner is a leo sun.

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posted September 21, 2012 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Opposition is better than square because when you found someone with moon-venus conjunction and getting trine one of your opposites also the other gets sextile from conjunction (sextile + trine = opposite) so it is not a problem.

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posted October 04, 2012 12:58 PM            

This is especially true for men with this aspect. The Moon and Venus are feminine planets, and often play a role in the kind of partner we desire. The Moon represents our emotions and what makes us feel secure, while Venus represents how we give and receive love.

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When these planets are in square aspect to one another, our emotional needs are at odds with our needs and capacity to love. This can cause many problems, as it is difficult for the Moon square Venus native to have both needs fulfilled by just one person.

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For example, say I have Moon in Aries square Venus in Capricorn: on one hand, I am emotionally fulfilled by aggressive, direct, and passionate people. However, aggression and passion to not "agree" with my Venus in Capricorn nature; it is unattractive to me, as Venus in Capricorn prefers shy, stable, drama-free mates.

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Also, we can think of this in terms of synastry: if my partner's Mars is in Capricorn, and therefore is in conjunct aspect to my Venus, I feel a tremendous sexual attraction to my partner. However, it would also mean that my partner's Mars squares my Moon, which leads to heated arguments and hurt feelings.

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posted March 18, 2014 01:16 AM              

I soooo need better men scanning skills. :/

I agree they should stick to Moon-Venus people. I don't have it, I don't get what they're going through. You either want me or you don't. Black and white. It's that simple. Except it's never like that with you people and I'm too old for this mindf*ck.

posted March 18, 2014 06:36 AM            

This is one of the saddest placements i have. Worse than mercury square mars.

It's like girls to me are forcefully divided into 2 groups: sexy(venus) and emotionally connected(moon).

A sexy girl can't be emotionally connected to me. A closely connected girl can't be sexy. Just a perception of women types. Like cute and wild. That's a type, and that's another.

But nonetheless,

There are many ways around this. Like, many many ways around it, through house overlays and midpoints.

You don't have to have a venus conjunct sun, or a moon conjunct sun to have these feelings.

It's nice, of course, but not a must have.

Maybe if her mars or pluto conjunct the venus it will bring about passion to your venus. Or maybe venus in 8th house?

And if the moon is in the 1st or 4th house, it brings emotional connection and caring, even if her sun sign square the moon. There will be acknowledgment to difference, but still, there will be thriving to care for emotions.

If a girl's personal planet or ascendant conjunct/square/oppose the moon/venus midpoint, it should do it too. They strike a balance between these too separating entities and reconcile them together.

That's only to mention few. There are more.

So there are many ways around it.

posted March 18, 2014 07:57 AM              

A square is a modal connection, the first step to a Grand Cross, just like a trine is the first step to a Grand Trine.

A trine is not better than a square or vice-versa, it's just energy manifested in a different way.

Somebody with a Moon/Venus square in their chart already has a connection between their Moon and Venus, their Moon and Venus energies are integrated within themselves. It's a modal integration. They need somebody with a specific set of characteristics reflecting their modal connection between their Moon and their Venus.

For example, a man with Moon in Capricorn Venus in Libra: a beautiful, charming girl with good social skills but who is also a steadfast, protective, emotionally stable and balanced partner. And overall a rather bossy, dominant, ambitious personality reflecting the cardinal mode.

They just need a partner who emphasizes or satisfies that modal need. A lot of fixed energy for a fixed Moon/Venus square, a very mutable person for the mutable square etc, of course in the context of the whole chart and the signs where they are located.

The man with the square already has this partner built inside them as Anima, and the woman has an Animus reflected by the square.

I think it's just the opposite of what you describe. Somebody with no connection between their Moon and Venus in their chart is more "flexible" in his/her choices, open to many things, many types of partners. But someone with Moon square Venus knows exactly what he/she wants, has a specific image in their minds regarding how their partner should be: a specific combination described by their square. Which makes them PICKY.

I disagree with Chiron in the 7th house as being doomed in relationships. It's quite the opposite. Chiron is a lesson, and an "awakener". In this life, the native with a 7th house Chiron will learn to give in order to receive in relationships. Compromises are not accepted by Chiron. It is true that this learning happens through pain, through a wound, because this is how we learn, without pain there's no learning, and Chiron in 7th has the chance of not only feeling, but also healing this wound in this life. He/she can also become a great marriage counsellor.

posted March 18, 2014 09:08 AM            

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Modes in astrology are as important as elements, IMO.

A square is a modal connection, the first step to a Grand Cross, just like a trine is the first step to a Grand Trine.

A trine is not better than a square or vice-versa, it's just energy manifested in a different way.

Somebody with a Moon/Venus square in their chart already has a connection between their Moon and Venus, their Moon and Venus energies are integrated within themselves. It's a modal integration. They need somebody with a specific set of characteristics reflecting their modal connection between their Moon and their Venus.

For example, a man with Moon in Capricorn Venus in Libra: a beautiful, charming girl with good social skills but who is also a steadfast, protective, emotionally stable and balanced partner. And overall a rather bossy, dominant, ambitious personality reflecting the cardinal mode.

They just need a partner who emphasizes or satisfies that modal need. A lot of fixed energy for a fixed Moon/Venus square, a very mutable person for the mutable square etc, of course in the context of the whole chart and the signs where they are located.

The man with the square already has this partner built inside them as Anima, and the woman has an Animus reflected by the square.

I think it's just the opposite of what you describe. Somebody with no connection between their Moon and Venus in their chart is more "flexible" in his/her choices, open to many things, many types of partners. But someone with Moon square Venus knows exactly what he/she wants, has a specific image in their minds regarding how their partner should be: a specific combination described by their square. Which makes them PICKY.

I disagree with Chiron in the 7th house as being doomed in relationships. It's quite the opposite. Chiron is a lesson, and an "awakener". In this life, the native with a 7th house Chiron will learn to give in order to receive in relationships. Compromises are not accepted by Chiron. It is true that this learning happens through pain, through a wound, because this is how we learn, without pain there's no learning, and Chiron in 7th has the chance of not only feeling, but also healing this wound in this life. He/she can also become a great marriage counsellor.

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Spot on! Very true about being picky and want a specific image. My moon is leo and venus scorpio. My image is a sensual, calm and passionate, yet also has a playful, outgoing and lighthearted side.

Very good point aslo on the modal connection. It is said that a guy with moon trine venus has an understanding to women, which makes him nice. I know i have this level of understanding, but i tend to be on the rougher teasing side. Like a bitter sweet attitude.

posted March 18, 2014 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
What if the square is out of sign?

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posted March 18, 2014 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
If there are 2 DIFFERENT points of view, how can be there no friction?

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Just like the difference between synergy and addition. With sign square, there is no added heat, or a new third entity like orb square.

posted March 18, 2014 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Umm, ok, Einstein

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posted March 18, 2014 12:19 PM              

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
Dancing Maenad

This is one of the saddest placements i have. Worse than mercury square mars.

It's like girls to me are forcefully divided into 2 groups: sexy(venus) and emotionally connected(moon).

A sexy girl can't be emotionally connected to me. A closely connected girl can't be sexy. Just a perception of women types. Like cute and wild. That's a type, and that's another.

But nonetheless,

There are many ways around this. Like, many many ways around it, through house overlays and midpoints.

You don't have to have a venus conjunct sun, or a moon conjunct sun to have these feelings.

It's nice, of course, but not a must have.

Maybe if her mars or pluto conjunct the venus it will bring about passion to your venus. Or maybe venus in 8th house?

And if the moon is in the 1st or 4th house, it brings emotional connection and caring, even if her sun sign square the moon. There will be acknowledgment to difference, but still, there will be thriving to care for emotions.

If a girl's personal planet or ascendant conjunct/square/oppose the moon/venus midpoint, it should do it too. They strike a balance between these too separating entities and reconcile them together.

That's only to mention few. There are more.

So there are many ways around it.

EDIT: For me, when a girl has her sun conjunct my moon, it makes her say "Awwww, he is such a cuty." I don't need that connection, i want my moon to be perceived as fun. So moon/venus/mars connections are more important to me.

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Like I said, I don't understand what you people go through. I don't understand what it's like to not be satisfied sexually and emotionally with the same partner. I do not understand why one person cannot satisfy both in your eyes. Talking strictly from the partner's point of view, because I've been there OFTEN, including with both my ex-fiancees (one had Gemini Moon and Sag Venus, the other Gemini Moon and Virgo Venus) and many other crushes, I feel downright offended and hurt that they think I am not enough for them. It gets me on a self-doubting down-spiral that, as a proud Fire woman, will not tolerate. Because I deserve to be enough for someone, as I am. And I will have nothing less.

To give you an example from my personal life, my first fiancee probably saw me as Venus, but not Moon. We barely talked about kids (which I wanted very, very much) but we talked extensively about sex. We had a pretty insane attraction, too. One day he announces me he got another girl pregnant (his ideal Moon image, perhaps). Initially he wanted to have his cake and eat it too, meaning he would move in with her but marry me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Isn't that the most hilarious thing you ever heard?! I still think it was deeply insulting to be asked that and it left me bewildered and hurt on a very deep level. Because, silly me, I actually loved the jerk. I wished him safe riddance nonetheless.

Put yourself in the other's shoes and imagine what would it be like to hear that she loves your company and you're a wonderful person but she isn't quite attracted to you or that she is attracted to you but thinks your personality sucks. How would it make you feel? Would you stay in such a relationship? Do you think it's fair to you?

As for the ways around it.. I am skeptical. I think this aspect will show it's ugly teeth sooner or later regardless of them. You may think they compensate and for the most part maybe they do. But you can't keep it nice and smooth forever, unless you're really faking it and it only takes one slip to have it all come to end. I've learned that the hard way.

posted March 18, 2014 12:21 PM            

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Initially he wanted to have his cake and eat it too, meaning he would move in with her but marry me.

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WTF

posted March 18, 2014 12:43 PM            

DUUUDE!!! That's extreme That's a crazy guy

I MAY feel that it's hard to find someone with both, and my tastes are colliding, but i will NEVER get in a relation when it's not fulfilling. I will never get into a relation where i don't have both. I don't go for sex only, nor emotions only. Never.That's why i rarely actually have a relationship! I am 30 and only had 3 serious relations.

posted March 18, 2014 12:55 PM              

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
Dancing Maenad:

DUUUDE!!! That's extreme That's a crazy guy

I MAY feel that it's hard to find someone with both, and my tastes are colliding, but i will NEVER get in a relation when it's not fulfilling. I will never get into a relation where i don't have both. I don't go for sex only, nor emotions only. Never.That's why i rarely actually have a relationship! I am 30 and only had 3 serious relations.

And ugly teeth? Moon square venus is not that ugly!? It'snot like a saturn/moon or a mars/moon thing. Moon square venus is very much manageable, if just the couple are slightly mature.

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Yeah, he was crazy. I realized that after the fact.
Just because the aspect involves a benefic, I don't think it should be looked over. I've seen first handed the damage it can do.

Maybe it can be managed. I would like to think any aspect can be turned to your favor. But I will probably not hold my breath.