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CosmicKarma360
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posted April 17, 2011 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmicKarma360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 17, 2011 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blugrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With my first love I had my Venus quincux his Pluto and my Pluto trine his Venus. We never were together, but he was by far the most intensely emotional love that I had. I feel like Venus/Pluto connections come to the surface more, while Moon/Pluto connections are more psychological and subconscious.

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posted April 17, 2011 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know how you can't describe chocolate until you have tasted it.

Venus/Pluto,to answer your question, calls up your primal self.It brings it to the fore.
You may want to stay unruffled with every hair in place.
Venus/Pluto won't let you.
It uncovers you .
As you find him and us,you find YOU.

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posted April 17, 2011 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me I have Venus/pluto with everyone in my age group.. So I dont really feel it.. Its the same from person to person for me..

I have never been the pluto person.. always the venus person... I bet it would be different for me, if I was the pluto person..

Note to self: Stay away from early Cap/aries/cancer Venus

It's more of a natal aspect for me, and my internal self..

But as most of you know, when I felt that moon/pluto thing... (since Im higly pluto) I really felt it then.. It was overpowering and was felt deep inside my entire being..

I did like the intensity to actually feel that much.. But at the same time it was too consuming.. I was extremely confused and not sure how to handle it..

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posted April 18, 2011 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Venus tricked Pluto into losing control and falling in love with Persephone.

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posted April 18, 2011 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and I think she did it because she was jealous of Persephone's beauty and wanted her gone to the underworld.

I'm just adding to the mythology lol

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posted April 18, 2011 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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For me I have Venus/pluto with everyone in my age group

Yeah, me too Lioness.

Anyway, the Pluto/Venus thing in synastry means 'desire for sex' but as such it is potent.

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posted April 18, 2011 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a double whammy Venus trine Pluto, not that great bedroom wise. Regarding the rest, we were able to confide in each other closely things we'd not say to others, so there was a deep psychological intimacy there. Not enough to mean anything in the long run, but it seems like it was good energy for a friendship at least. This was with someone outside of my generation.

With my generation whose Plutos all aspect my Venus, there's no big whoopie thing for me, I mean I never wanted for a partner while around them exclusively in school, but there weren't any strong venus/pluto themes in the relationship. If anything I thought they were easier to relate to cos we shared an outer planet in Sadge, which I don't share with those older or directly younger. Makes it soooo much easier.

I like Moon/Pluto too, love it actually.

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posted April 18, 2011 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pixienoire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is an interesting interpretation of the Pluto/Venus aspect.

I have this aspect with someone, and I can verify that it is an extremely intoxicating aspect. On the Pluto end, you just can't get enough of Venus.

PLUTO-VENUS ASPECTS IN THE SYNASTRY CHART
Venus/Pluto in dynamic aspect can generate a sort of obsessive/compulsive partnership, one where the relationship creates situations and circumstances that compel us to dive into ourselves and understand just why we're so obsessive about this other person. Sometimes we'll even wonder just why we're so attracted to the other, and not even have a sound logical explanation to give ourselves, aside from a sort of feeling of entering the event horizon of a massive black hole. And that black hole is playing such beautiful music, or so it sounds through the power of Venus's attractive principle, that we just cant help but get sucked in. There's a bit of karma to all this, of course, and Venus/Pluto pairings often indicate the destination is personal transformation. Sometimes it only really makes sense in hindsight, after Pluto's power has subsided (and that's not quickly, either), or we've transformed enough that we need to move on.

There can be issues of trust, jealousy, and honesty that make themselves loud and clear at times. It becomes hard, and at times near dangerous, to attempt to hide anything from the other or ourselves regarding the relationship. They either pick up on the half-truths by their intuition or use investigative means (covert or overt) to get to the bottom of things. Just as Pluto deals with investigations and revealing all that is hidden, so does the Venus/Pluto relationship function. Depth is a keyword in all it's meanings to these relationships, from psychological right down to the perversion of that word.

The soft aspects are more favorable, but the hard aspects can be much more rewarding if they are applied in positive manners. These Venus/Pluto relationships have the potential for deep transformations to take place, and for either or both parties to overcome difficult relationship issues. Pluto's influence purifies by exposing all that is maligned in anything it touches. As the relationship can take on some darker undercurrents, the natives get a chance to face parts of themselves they may not otherwise face without a Plutonian dose of compulsion. This can create tensions and highlight personal lackings, which can have a negative impact, but if both parties are open and honestly communicate the experience, and are mutually supportive, this can actually act to deepen the bond between the two in a major manner. It all depends how the natives handle the energy, whether they let it remain an damed up undercurrent where it becomes corrosive or if they actively engage the process. If one party in the relationship doesn't feel comfortable enough with the other to open up these repressed psychological patterns, which are hard enough to face in oneself let alone share them with another, the basis forms for the more corrosive expression of this energy. This is often how Venus/Pluto relationships end; one faces a Plutonian challenge of purification which is withheld from the other, which leads to an array of blockages and a notable change in the energy exchange between the individuals. Both parties feel it, things start seeming "off" and the decline begins. In relationships exhibiting Venus/Pluto energy as a primary factor, one should always remember nomatter how dark and difficult facing something is, it's better to get it off your chest than to let it fester. The fixed emotional (water) nature of Pluto makes this a serious danger. Sometimes this means revealing to your partner some things about your inner self you may rather keep hidden, but hey, that's a huge theme of Pluto: facing your darkness. By bringing these things up to the surface, the process of purification can begin in a non-corrosive manner; as the light shines upon the darkness it is transcended and resolved. In the same manner, it is important for both parties in a strong Venus/Pluto bond to avoid passing any form of judgment on the other, even if the other was to reveal a particularly distasteful part of themselves. It's important to promote acceptance and dissolution of personal guilt; guilt is the enemy of successful transcendence. One should remember their own dark side before passing judgment on anyone else; we've all got one, and the thought that any of us are angels is but a fallacy... And a dangerous one at that!

Plain and simple, the sexual potential in Venus/Pluto relationships is high; it serves as an intensive means of bonding and interpersonal connection on a soul level. Sex is more than something physical under these influences. Sex on a physical level is more of the Mars/Pluto domain, where it may be better described by the common four letter expletive, although that is sometimes what people enjoy more. All depends on the natal makeup. Regardless, Venus/Pluto serves to focus the sex act on the passive attractive ("togetherness") principle of Venus rather than the active aggressive ("alpha male") principle of Mars. This can work as a positive or negative thing depending on the desires of the people involved... But either way sexual attraction runs strong.

Overall, this pairing can be very positive if handled constructively. Much to the disagreement of some, Venus and Pluto are actually pretty good friends. How couldn't a dirty guy like Pluto be magnetized to sensual Venus? And if Venus was all about some Mars, she'd go nuts at Pluto's stamina and sheer power, making the prowess of Mars seem petty. Besides, any lady who formed from a severed phallus is sure to have an x-rated side... a very happily accepted thing in Pluto's underworld. Some say Venus is too frail for Pluto, but I disagree. Bil Tierney in his book on Pluto (in the section describing Venus from a Plutonian perspective) used the words "fiesty" and "cocksure" to describe Venus based on her mythological history, and I think he's right on target. The concept of Venus being a snow white in glass slippers is a concoction of too many Disney animations and not enough reality. Venus may be impressionable, but she's not weak. Earth Venus is represented by the bull, an extremely strong creature, and her air side by the scales, representing the triumph of fair justice and the ultimate power of balance. Neither side is by any means weak.

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posted April 18, 2011 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, my friend has Venus opp Pluto. She always get obsessive guys! Even stalkers. They are so forward and persistent with getting her. She is never single for long. She would never have to be single if she wanted Of course the fact that Pluto is in her 1st house and Venus in her 7th must be part of it as well.
Its even like that with friends, they never want to break it off when she does or if she just doesn't like them or then she gets obsessive jealous females.

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posted April 18, 2011 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:

I like Moon/Pluto too, love it actually.


Why is that?

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posted April 18, 2011 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmicKarma360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 19, 2011 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OO that moon pluto is extremely intense..

for me its way more intense the venus/pluto..

I actually do like the moon/pluto feelings, as long as you never break up.. LOL...

Its the breakup thats torture and extremely painful.

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posted April 19, 2011 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmicKarma360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 19, 2011 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
Why is that?

Ahh, I have no rational explanation..What I'm drawn to are those whose Moon is in strong aspect to my Pluto and always their Moon would be aspected to my Moon/Venus as well. So there's another vote for Pluto getting all hyped up on the experience. Maybe it's cos I'm comfort obsessed, I dunno..std definition of deep emotional bond from the beginning, intuitive insights into each other.

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posted April 19, 2011 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The harder aspects are harder to deal with... Your so afraid of loosing that person.. You will do anything in your power to get that back.


I have had the easier aspects before, I felt it, but I wasnt afraid of it.. You dont fear loosing that person... You just figure that person will just always be there... Or ahhh he/she will be back, and you just sit back and wait.. lol

I think women feel the moon/pluto more than men..
Moon is the female energy, women are natural closer to that energy than men.. But everyone handles things differently..

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posted April 23, 2011 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
OO that moon pluto is extremely intense..

for me its way more intense the venus/pluto..

I actually do like the moon/pluto feelings, as long as you never break up.. LOL...

Its the breakup thats torture and extremely painful.



Which side are you in this?
Moon or Pluto?

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posted April 23, 2011 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are pluto, what exactly are you obsessed with in the Moon? Them in general? I would say their affection but that seem more venus?? They want that deep and nurturing moonness?

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His moon sextiles my pluto & his pluto trines my moon. We also have my pluto trine his venus. Natally he is sun & venus trine pluto but I have sun square pluto with my moon trining my pluto. He is always trying to get to the "bottom" of my emotions, wanting to know how I feel- almost acting like my therapist...lol. he says I clam up & won't express myself. Says I need to let it out. I tried to let it out the other day but the only thing I was cry. At least I showed some kind of human side of myself. He's intense to say the least & find myself scared. I want to run,run, run but I find I have this compulsive need & want to be with him.

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posted April 25, 2011 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon/pluto intensifies what ever each of you feel..

It does not create feelings its self, it makes you really feel, what ever you REALLY feel... You have to face it and deal with it...

If one feels hate, that person will hate intensely with all their gut and soul. Then they will feel the power struggle side

If the other person feels like they want love from the other person, he/she will feel it with their gut and soul.. Thats when they want control of the situation and will do "anything" to keep it going...

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posted May 18, 2011 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyLibraWorld     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have a venus conjunct pluto in scorpio


for me, i need passion in my relationships. Some have been very very cold relationships and some have been unforgettable


I think pluto/venus is what you long for in a relationship but seem to miss due to some deep rooted insecurity or out of pure control and manipulation


It makes for destructive relationships that are very dark and mysterious and very unbalanced, with one side being the hot side and the other being the cold one


i've experienced both sides, never in between


but i know now that my relationships must be passionate, hot as hell's fire and feels just as consuming. otherwise, it is cold as ice, with one person being completley distant while the other one chases, like cat and mouse


and sex, completly different for me especially when im the one on fire, its a desire in relationships and can totally change the way you feel towards that person.

but yes, my relationships are either passionate and hot or just intense and cold as it becomes a power struggle

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posted May 18, 2011 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swift Freeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio and share a conjunction with everyone born roughly 2 years either side of me. I also have eros there as well.

I must admit I am generally oblivious when other people feel this aspect to me. I have had some admittances of feelings and thoughts which were fairly descriptive. Few and far between myself I may become slightly obsessed with a girl, its like I just can't take my eyes away, I want to see them, hear them touch them just be with them. More often than not when I feel this way I notice they reciprocate although most of the time the time frame of interaction is extremely limited. Whether this is connected to a Venus/Pluto aspect, conjunction in my case, I don't know. All I know is that when I feel it it is a feeling I enjoy it makes me feel connected.

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posted May 18, 2011 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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All I know is that when I feel it, it is a feeling I enjoy it makes me feel connected.

I understand that. I have the opposition. But I know what you mean. I like the feeling of deeply caring for someone in a mutually loving connection.


Love is never a game to me. It has to be mutual for us to experience it to the fullest. I'm either in or I'm out. If they are only in half-way or undecided, I cool down completely.

I think this is because I only love the connection.. and if the connection is not there - then all that's left is empty space.
I can't take half-measures in love. I always do better in friendships and relationships with others who have Venus/Pluto aspects or strong Scorpio.

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posted May 19, 2011 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JoJo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Poor me...

We have DW Venus/Pluto

and

We have Moon/Pluto (conjunct by sign)

Plus

Eros (me)/Psyche (him) conjunct by sign

And

A whole lot of Saturn stuff

We're not together. It sucks big time. Hurts like hell and I can't get him out of my head although I try...and try...

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posted May 20, 2011 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Venus loosely conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, which is of course ruled by Pluto. It makes Scorpio energy a much bigger part of my makeup, especially in the Venus parts of my life like beauty (I love dark, mysterious, stillness, deepness, slow beauty that smolders), and romance (I definitely get into relationships with a lot of emotional investment, a lot of deep thinking and deep probing). I am often mistaken for a Scorpio, actually, even though I'm a Libra.

As far as this aspect goes in synastry, I have mixed feelings on the validity of what most online sources say. If it is true that this connection is transforming, my personal opinion is that the orb would have to be really tight or exact to count, because Pluto is so slow moving....

A simplification: Pluto stays at XX degree for quite some time, so if your Venus is at that degree, you have this synastry aspect with everyone born in that time period. That doesn't mean you will feel this transforming, surrendering soul connection with ALL of them. For me, my Venus is a little bit ahead of my Pluto, so the Pluto group that my Venus is conjunct to is the group born about five months after me, and then again the summer of the year after that, because Pluto went into retrograde. The only thing I can really say about this is that I remarkably have very little personal relationships with people from these age groups. Perhaps my natal Venus being conjunct Pluto makes this aspect a bit of a blind spot for me? I'm not sure. And even though I certainly enjoy Venus in Taurus, I have never met someone whose Venus opposed my Pluto, even loosely.

Sorry, I really didn't bring any answers to this thread, but this has been my honest experience lol.

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