posted May 21, 2011 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
[b]CosmicKarma:Hmmmm, maybe "dissolved" is too strong a word...ummm, I guess I mean diluted? Anyways, what I mean is that it wouldn't be as purely expressed as it would be if it were in say...the 1st or 5th? And its probably for any number of reasons. I've heard everything from situational low self-esteem to just having that spiritual angle that the 12th house gives (Gandhi had this placement too).

And yes, I've known quite a few Ariens with strong Taurus energy and they usually are pretty mellow folks to be around. [/B]

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Ah! Gotcha. Yes, definitely, I'm a more *muted* Aries. I would say that's true. It dials down the Aries energy. Although with Mars in Aries, that's pretty strong stuff. That comes through, and I'm not afraid to use it when I really have to. Even if my Mars sits in the 12th.

posted May 22, 2011 12:34 AM            

But I also want to remind you that Madonna is a 12th House Virgo. The interesting part about it is that I never could have figured out how it works in her life until I read her brother's tell all book. He specifically talks about how after she did her shows, people thought she was always out partying when the truth is she would go straight back to her hotel to be with a select few people to party with or she'd go straight to bed and try to sleep because she is an insomniac.

That's all for me now before I fall asleep, but I'll continue reading tomorrow.

posted May 22, 2011 01:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:

Carl: Wow, even with Neptune at home in the 12th? Are either of those planets afflicted?

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Not even, a trine with moon, wide orb and sextile pluto, 3 degree orb.

Interesting, neptune is at 29 degrees for me. Like I said, at the very end of house 11 but house 12 in nep descriptions always fit me way more.

Even with major asteroids, sextile pallas and trine vertex.

posted May 22, 2011 07:29 AM            

@Carl: Hmmmm, well insomnia is a 12th house thing I just never thought it would be a factor with an accidental dignity (Neptune) and a benefic (Jupiter). Anything going on in your 3rd house?

posted May 22, 2011 11:54 AM            

not exactly sure what it means, probably an even more enhanced need for privacy or something like that. (and that would be true.)

and maybe the feeling of being misunderstood quite often. i would also add complicated communication - like feeling and "knowing" a lot of things but not being able to put that through.

posted May 22, 2011 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
I have north node in 11/12 on cusp "nearly"...
There are no other planets but it is very bad placement for soul purposes.. I am prone to "sin" first of all..
[b]Since 12 house deals matter of "satisfaction in sex" also, i am never satisfied....

We all have in dark side of us so use it wisely [/B]

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Satisfaction in sex related to the 12th? I've never heard of that before. Why is that, out of curiousity?

posted May 22, 2011 01:22 PM            

@ecomat: Its seems when the elements of the house and the Sun match, it pretty much enhances the quality of the sun sign. Of course that doesn't mean things are a walk in the park. And yes, being misunderstood seems to be a prevailing theme here. Neptune's specialty I say. Like running on a totally different frequency from everyone else.

posted May 22, 2011 03:27 PM            

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Satisfaction in sex related to the 12th? I've never heard of that before. Why is that, out of curiousity?

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5 is Romance/ fun at sex
8 is transdental sex
12 is satisfaction anything in human's desires and pleasures..

posted May 22, 2011 03:44 PM            

Some people who have known me for some time do notice that it makes me very insecure, but also seeing as my rising is in the next sign, a positive and outgoing sign, most people immediately assume that I'm actually very secure about myself. I wish. The position also makes me a perfectionist, and to an extent I think fuels my mildly neurotic behaviour. Although it doesn't make sense to me as they are typical Virgo traits... They do seem to stem from the fact that I'm immensely insecure and thus try to better myself in any way possible.

So basically, I have that gnawing thought with everything I do that I'm not good enough, that's how I experience Saturn conjunct Sun. I expect that if they were in the 1st house, that people would immediately notice just how insecure I am.

posted May 22, 2011 08:37 PM            

And commenting on lucie's post, my 3 favorite places in the world are my room, the bookstore, and the beach because they're are the places where I don't have to be in the *here and now*, and that is *the* blissful state for me.

posted May 22, 2011 10:59 PM            

I now need to get out of the house, to feel better - although just going for a walk along the lake, with family and the dogs, helped me tonight. I need a certain amount of time to myself, but I think it's odd that I've now swung the other way, to needing to get out to the cafe at the bookstore, or something. I think I need to be somewhere, where it's warmer year-round, so that I'm not stuck inside because of the snow, but I also don't want to totally leave here, because it feels as though there are too many of our four-legged family members buried here now. (Sorry to be morbid.)

posted May 23, 2011 07:06 AM            

Pretty funny for someone who is highly sensitive, though. I often blame my 7th house moon for my need to be around others, to venture into the world around me (probably supported by both the moon's and the 7th house's position in Gemini for the absolute need for social contact). Also, with the Placidus and Topocentric house systems, my sun while technically still in 12th house (and Saturn as well, seeing as they are less than 1 degree conjunct) would be on the cusp of 11th.

I swear, my need for social contact feels almost like an addiction: it's not good for me, but I can't live without. Thank you, sun in 12th!