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8ofHearts
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posted January 09, 2013 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mercury conj Uranus in 1st and Neptune in 3rd sextiling, Sun in 1st, Jupiter in 5th with an inconjunct (YOD) up to Saturn at my MC.(in 10th) It is like a neverending stream of pictures and ideas and I think the tension between Saturn tho' awkward at times is probably essential to adding structure and allowing me to focus. I am a designer/builder but for a long time, I was very into film/music.

I've heard that Mercury square or quincunx Uranus can actually make some of the best astrologers - vs. the trine or conjunction -and I would assume, some really amazing DJs/producers working w/ beats & electronica.

My absolute favorite folks to hang with all seem to have either Sun conj Uranus or Uranus/Mercury aspects natally, we usually have it in synastry and also in composite. I feel totally alive and inspired in their presence tho I imagine the hard aspects in the composite can be high strung for combo for day-to-day living. ;}

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8ofHearts
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posted January 09, 2013 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 8ofHearts     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry. double post.

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My dad has sun conjunct uranus and asc.
He has like zero logic, he's more emotional. Although his mercury is in virgo... He goes about thing in a strange/irrational way. He's far from stupid thou, maybe he could be a genius. He's quite lazy too, so maybe I have not notice anything special from his end.

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posted January 09, 2013 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury-Uranus, yes.

Don't forget parallel (or contraparallel) aspects between them, however. Which, depending on what site you read or which astrologer you talk to, are either equal to conjunctions (or oppositions) or even stronger in intensity.

I'm a whiz-banger, I won't lie. You wouldn't tell from looking at my chart though unless you bothered to check for contraparallels - I have Mercury contraparallel Uranus.

To give a less biased bit of supporting evidence for this...ever see a David Bowie interview? The guy is very bright. No Mercury-Uranus aspect...until you check his declinations; he has Mercury contraparallel Uranus.

Things like Sun-Uranus? Not necessarily. Especially since the sun isn't the thinking processes (Mercury is). The sun would make someone love freedom and need a *lot* of space, or be eccentric in nature, or both. It wouldn't have any effect on their intelligence one way or another.

Also, again, you have to check out what the rest of the chart is doing in general, because sun-uranus doesn't guarantee personal eccentricity, either. Example : My sister has sun conjunct uranus. I posted our synastry on Astrodienst once because I couldn't figure out myself why we couldn't get along. I figured the problem is that I didn't have the objectivity to really be able to interpret it correctly so I thought I needed outside opinions.

I realized I was wasting my time almost immediately when someone came in and declared that the problem was she was very eccentric and unique a quirky thinker, and that I had a problem with that. In fact I actually laughed, because it's the exact reverse - I'm considered the family oddball/black sheep, and she's fairly mainstream and even conventional and rigid.

Her Mercury (thought processes) is in Capricorn. Mercury is also her chart-ruler, and Saturn makes more than a few aspects to her inner planets.

So honestly, yeah - you really have to look at the entire chart and how it works together to get an accurate 'read'.

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 09, 2013 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For whatever it is worth, I have

Sun Trine Uranus
Mercury Quincunx Uranus
Jupiter Trine Uranus
Mercury Conjunct Mars
Mercury Sextile Neptune
Pluto Conjunct Uranus.
Mercury Quincunx Pluto.

Whatever that means. I did pretty well in school.

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posted January 09, 2013 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
For whatever it is worth, I have

Sun Trine Uranus
Mercury Quincunx Uranus
Jupiter Trine Uranus
Mercury Conjunct Mars
Mercury Sextile Neptune
Pluto Conjunct Uranus.
Mercury Quincunx Pluto.

Whatever that means. I did pretty well in school.



It's the Mercury-Uranus aspect.

Natural tendency is to say it's easy aspects or cojunctions that do it, but I read years ago on Astrodienst that actually the harsh aspects between those two planets are present the most in the charts of very very smart people. Not the easy ones.

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posted January 11, 2013 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StacyLewis:

It's the Mercury-Uranus aspect.

Natural tendency is to say it's easy aspects or cojunctions that do it, but I read years ago on Astrodienst that actually the harsh aspects between those two planets are present the most in the charts of very very smart people. Not the easy ones.


I have the square...and it's not easy...I can be brusque....and I love defying authority just for the heck of it...ideas and solutions come clearly to me, and it amuses me when people don't see the obvious...i can think on my feet pretty fast.but like I said I can be brusque and too direct and that drives people away...even friends...

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posted January 11, 2013 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For people listing their own natal aspects, the thread specifically says " genius" so next time ensure to post your developed theory about the propagation mechanism for breaking the electroweak gauge symmetry, it might also work if you tried to disapprove the gauge gravity duality, with regards to the black hole thermal radiation.

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posted January 11, 2013 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An old thread , but very interesting. Glad it got bumped up

I've been deemed "gifted" since I was a young child. I tested far higher than any of my classmates, was enrolled in excelled programs since my earliest years of school. Invited to events/competitions thru my middle years..like jojo, every standarized national test I came out in either the top 1 or 2 percent, depending on which year you look at. ..blah blah blah.. I was still SO BORED unless something was completely new and fresh for me to absorb.

H1 Leo H3 Virgo H9 Pisces

H9 Sun

Neptune square Venus/Sun/Merc (fairly wide on the sun/merc square)

Jupiter sextile Neptune forming YOD with my Leo Asc

Mars conjunct Uranus in Sag H5 squares sun/merc in Pisces H9 and trines my MC

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posted January 11, 2013 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
For people listing their own natal aspects, the thread specifically says " genius" so next time ensure to post your developed theory about the propagation mechanism for breaking the electroweak gauge symmetry, it might also work if you tried to disapprove the gauge gravity duality, with regards to the black hole thermal radiation[b].[/B]

Touche.. but in fairness, not all people have utilized their genius. Just because you have it doesn't mean you exercise it.

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posted January 11, 2013 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vickymadness:
For people listing their own natal aspects, the thread specifically says " genius" so next time ensure to post your developed theory about the propagation mechanism for breaking the electroweak gauge symmetry, it might also work if you tried to disapprove the gauge gravity duality, with regards to the black hole thermal radiation[b].[/B]

...You do know there's more than one type of intelligence right?

/gameover

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posted January 11, 2013 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
...You do know there's more than one type of intelligence right?

/gameover


"Gameover" made me giggle

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posted January 11, 2013 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
...You do know there's more than one type of intelligence right?

/gameover


And you know I can list more than one example about genius right? and you can finish the game as long as it makes you sleep comfy at night.

The point I was trying to make in here and for some reason you guys weren't able to identify is that I don't get it whenever a post asks about natal aspects for a certain trait, and people just list their natal aspects - I know that some might be true, but what is the proof ?
Shouldn't we after all provide accuracy ? because some people here ARE actually serious about astrology and don't go talking about how " ...." they are.

I just liked some of the posts here that used scientist and find an astrological explanation, I think that's what everyone is looking for.... you can post yours of course, but prove it!

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posted January 11, 2013 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
And you know I can list more than one example about genius right? and you can finish the game as long as it makes you sleep comfy at night.

The point I was trying to make in here and for some reason you guys weren't able to identify is that I don't get it whenever a post asks about natal aspects for a certain trait, and people just list their natal aspects - I know that some might be true, but what is the proof ?
Shouldn't we after all provide accuracy ? because some people here ARE actually serious about astrology and don't go talking about how " ...." they are.

I just liked some of the posts here that used scientist and find an astrological explanation, I think that's what everyone is looking for.... you can post yours of course, but prove it!


I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you because you're on your period and your boyfriend never called you back.

Look, it's real simple. You went on some nonsensical diatribe that gave an example of one form of intelligence. One.

Google it, there's multiple forms. And no, you don't have to excel at all of them in ordered to be classified a genius. Stop being lazy and do a little research.

But let's be honest here - this isn't about this subject, it's about you wanting to pick a random fight...because you're mad...that you have the cramps from hell and Pauly don't love you no mo'.

Look, go punch your pillow or something instead of taking it out on random folks. It makes you look bad, and like you aren't altogether bright, yourself.

Feel free to respond to try and save face and your keyboard-gangsta credibility if you want. I just don't care, so I won't be back in here.

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posted January 11, 2013 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
It makes you look bad, and like you aren't altogether bright, yourself.

and this, is what your post did to you.

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posted January 11, 2013 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vickymadness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you because you're on your period and your boyfriend never called you back.

Look, it's real simple. You went on some nonsensical diatribe that gave an example of one form of intelligence. One.

Google it, there's multiple forms. And no, you don't have to excel at all of them in ordered to be classified a genius. Stop being lazy and do a little research.

But let's be honest here - this isn't about this subject, it's about you wanting to pick a random fight...because you're mad...that you have the cramps from hell and Pauly don't love you no mo'.

Look, go punch your pillow or something instead of taking it out on random folks. It makes you look bad, and like you aren't altogether bright, yourself.

Feel free to respond to try and save face and your keyboard-gangsta credibility if you want. I just don't care, so I won't be back in here.


Aside from genius, is this class ? Nopes.

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posted January 11, 2013 07:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
And you know I can list more than one example about genius right? and you can finish the game as long as it makes you sleep comfy at night.

The point I was trying to make in here and for some reason you guys weren't able to identify is that I don't get it whenever a post asks about natal aspects for a certain trait, and people just list their natal aspects - I know that some might be true, but what is the proof ?
Shouldn't we after all provide accuracy ? because some people here ARE actually serious about astrology and don't go talking about how " ...." they are.

I just liked some of the posts here that used scientist and find an astrological explanation, I think that's what everyone is looking for.... you can post yours of course, but prove it!


Providing 'proofs' in an internet forum would be highly subjective.

I could 'identify' with the point you wanted to bring forth.The condescending tone kinda put me off, which at first made me ignore the post. However, should you feel the NEED to 'prove' your natal aspects, it certainly doesn't mean that everybody HAS to.

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posted January 11, 2013 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StacyLewis:
I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you because you're on your period and your boyfriend never called you back.

Look, it's real simple. You went on some nonsensical diatribe that gave an example of one form of intelligence. One.

Google it, there's multiple forms. And no, you don't have to excel at all of them in ordered to be classified a genius. Stop being lazy and do a little research.

But let's be honest here - this isn't about this subject, it's about you wanting to pick a random fight...because you're mad...that you have the cramps from hell and Pauly don't love you no mo'.

Look, go punch your pillow or something instead of taking it out on random folks. It makes you look bad, and like you aren't altogether bright, yourself.

Feel free to respond to try and save face and your keyboard-gangsta credibility if you want. I just don't care, so I won't be back in here.


I LOVE your sense of humor. Seriously I think this is proof enough for me that you are one heck of a genius

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 11, 2013 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vickymadness:
For people listing their own natal aspects, the thread specifically says " genius" so next time ensure to post your developed theory about the propagation mechanism for breaking the electroweak gauge symmetry, it might also work if you tried to disapprove the gauge gravity duality, with regards to the black hole thermal radiation[b].[/B]

I don't have that. I'm not a scientist. However, I can discuss finance and economic theory until I bore you to sleep. I gather you prefer not for me to jabber on.

I never claimed to be any form of genius. Just that I have scores and multiple degrees, whatever that is worth.. which in the practical world, are akin to bathroom tissue. However, I did do well in school and went all the way.

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posted January 11, 2013 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only definite indicator for genius aspects are quintiles, biquintles,trideciles, deciles, and septiles in the fifth and seventh harmonics. However about half of these aspects have to be calculated individually because they do not show up in the astro.com aspects chart. I do not think genius is confined to one element someone who is a musical genius will not necessarily excel in other fields.

I wonder what the chart of "Olivia Manning" looks like at the age of 12 she scored a 162 on her IQ test, higher than both Stephen Hawking and Einstein.

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posted January 11, 2013 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this stellium/conjunction of Mercury, Jupiter and Uranus (with Uranus conjunct Pluto involving Libra and Virgo, Pluto is not conjunct Mercury and Jupiter) in Libra conjunct ascendant and I have been told my IQ is higher than average.

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posted January 11, 2013 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually I wonder about the charts of the early 2000 generation in general most of these children were born in 2000.

1. Fabiola Mann
Age tested: 15
IQ score: 162
Fabiola, who was born in Goa, India, but currently lives in the U.K., recently begged her parents to pay the fee and let her take Mensa's IQ test. The 15-year-old "has a purple belt in karate and is now taking tae kwon do in school," says Forbes. She enjoys the classic genius hobby of chess, plays the piano and guitar, and can sing as well. "Yes, she is a human being and not an Indian cyborg."

2. Olivia Manning
Age tested: 12
IQ score: 162
"Everyone knew 12-year-old British schoolgirl Olivia Manning was smart," says Madeline Holler at Babble. A quick learner, she required only 24 hours to learn all her lines for a performance of Macbeth. But even she was "surprised when the results of an IQ test came back," and she scored a 162 — higher than astrophysicist Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates, and yes, Einstein himself.

3. Jacob Barnett
Age tested: 12
IQ score: 170
At age 2, Jacob Barnett was diagnosed with a mild form of Asperger's. Turns out, he was just functioning at a higher level than everyone else. Jake, who appears to have an affinity for wearing caps backwards, is already taking advanced college math and astrophysics classes near his home in Indiana. As revealed during a 2011 appearance on Glenn Beck's Fox News show, Jacob would like to become a professor at a high-ranking college and make high-level math textbooks easier to understand.

4. Pranav Veera
Age tested: 6
IQ score: 176
When he took the test in 2009, this young resident of Loveland, Ohio, could recite the U.S. presidents in order, say the alphabet backward, and tell you the day of the week of any given date going back to the year 2000. He was also 6. Blessed with a photographic memory, Pranav says that one day he'd like to be an astronaut.

5. Victoria Cowie
Age tested: 11
IQ score: 162
Victoria Cowie, another British schoolgirl, "isn't glued to her studies," says her mother. "She loves drama and music and plays football too." But the young girl scored a whopping 162 on her IQ test in 2011, and has been offered scholarships from high-ranking secondary schools. When asked what she wants to be when she grows up, Victoria says she'd like to work with animals and become a vet.

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posted January 11, 2013 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree with someone being offered scholarships based on a score they earned completing an IQ test. Should be other factors involved there imo.

I had an IQ test as a child, scored higher than average and was pressured so much just for scoring high on one silly exam. Thought it was a bit unfair. So, I got stubborn and refused to do anything.

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posted January 11, 2013 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a genius. Sun trine uranus. Uranus trine mercury. Mercury in 11th. Uranus in third. 3H ruler (pluto) sq Mercury, sun. Stellium in 11H. Cappy moon sq Pluto and opposite 11H stellium. Jupiter sextile uranus, 11H stellium and trine moon and asc.

But make the word "lazy" have a whole new meaning..

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posted January 11, 2013 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stellar_moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Uranus in the 3rd Trine Merc in the 10th. I never attributed that to genius though. I did well in school, but only if I applied myself and cared about a subject. I think that energy for me manifests in not being able to tolerate racism, homophobia, hypocrisy, sexism ect....I have Saturn square Mercury, so even while I do have fabulous ideas, I certainly don't think they are, and a lot of them will only stay in my head, never be talked about. I would imagine that when I am more established in a career field (10th house) this energy will do a lot more for me. I also have a really good memory, with certain things. I can remember places, dates and times, conversations that are important to me. But I never remember where I put my keys or my wallet.

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