posted January 09, 2013 12:36 PM            

would you kindly tell me what is going on here?
this is a "couple" of 7 years, on and off, my friend is becoming a shadow of himself, and i am hoping that saturn in scorpio will end things between them forever. she treats him horribly and...he is stuck.
i dont know what is is going on in his mind, but....his family loves her due to *she has money* and...he doesnt want to disappoint.
im hoping for a miracle...last time i saw him, he looked way thinner.
and you know? i looked at your signature links and, i dont see anything that is awful about their composite, but, the relationship is just not right.

what i mean is...
they dont have the love stellium but, there is something binding them together.

posted January 09, 2013 02:04 PM            

Anyway, that's not to say these two people you showed me don't have any afflictions. They have no foundation, and on top of that, a few afflictions. Sun and moon are both square uranus (arguments, on and off, general instability, not being able to count on each other), mars is also square uranus that means constant ego competition, goading, sarcasm. The mars hard aspects to the outer planets are all pretty similar. They all involve pretty much strong ego clashes. The worst thing they have, though, is that they don't have sun conjunct venus or at least conjunct jupiter. Those are the two feel good planets in astrology, and the composite sun is the identity of the relationship. In synastry they might have some rough saturn aspects, too, since it feels like they stay together out of duty.

posted January 09, 2013 02:23 PM            

honestly, even though planet in house descriptions are accurate, i usually dont pay too much attention to them because all charts have underlying themes. If saturn in the 5th is going to be a problem, it's already going to be highlighted in some other problems in either synastry or composite as part of that compatibility's theme.

posted January 09, 2013 02:28 PM            

he is a gem, she is a sag, they have moon squared.
her venus and mars square his asc, jupiter and neptune (earth signs, cap)
she has like 5 saggie planets....she has no earth.
he has some water planets, she has only moon in cancer, which squares her venus and mars in libra, natally.
i find him to be more stable..whereas she acts like a spoiled brat and as 'entitled'
his saturn is conjunct his mars and mc in scorpio...so, im hoping for a miracle with saturn in scorpio.
i dont know what explains the reason she can be so cruel and condescending toward him.
she is very manipulative - cancer moon???
and she is just not nice....

as far as conjunctions go:
they have his moon conjunct her venus,
saturn conjunct saturn
and her saturn conjunct his mars

im surprised that he allows it....like, he is easy to manage....
i dont know if this is the moon in libra or what....
i always thought that scorpio placements would fight back.
and although he is saturn heavy because of the cap placements, i always saw caps as wanting respect too.
i dont know what to say...he loses weight as time goes by.

he is my love's astro twin, almost.

posted January 09, 2013 02:55 PM            

Laex's Sun in Saggitarius and Mon's Sun in Gemini

Both of you are curious individuals, rather restless and on- the-go. You can expect your lives together to be very active, with lots of changes, probably frequent moves, adjustments, surprises, and new challenges. These changes will bring lots of ups and downs, but overall both of you will be greatly enriched by these diverse activities and interests.

Laex is more philosophical and has grander plans than Mon, who takes each step as it comes and find more pleasure in the little things in life. Laex enjoys being on a crusade or mission for some philosophical reason or for personal gain, while Mon finds Laex's dreams and schemes entertaining and interesting. You often see things from a different perspective, but usually you can benefit from each other's viewpoint and you are adaptable and flexible enough to listen to each other and benefit from each other.

Personal freedom is important to both of you and you are likely to find it in this relationship. Even if you are always together you do not cling to, or smother, each other. On the whole you are very compatible.

Laex's Moon in Cancer and Mon's Moon in Libra

Both of you try very hard to please and accommodate people, especially your love partner, and you are both very sensitive to others' approval and opinion of you. Because harmony in your personal life is so important to both of you, you go out of your way to try to make one another comfortable and at ease. Both of you, in fact, feel very threatened by interpersonal conflict and you sometimes avoid confronting the more thorny problems or underlying differences in your emotional natures, however.

Laex wants and needs security, reassurance, a home, a sense of belonging, close family ties. Laex needs to be needed, is inclined to smother loved ones, and may be more of a mother or father than lover to Mon. Mon, on the other hand, wants a romantic partner more than a parent. So differences may arise regarding loyalties to family (Laex) versus giving time and attention to the two of you as a couple (Mon).

Also, Laex is often more emotional and 'irrational' than Mon, who is usually more even, cool-headed, and reasonable than Laex is.

Chapter 2

Major Themes in the Relationship: What Brought You Together
Sun Mutually Aspects Mercury

Clear communication is a plus that you have going for you in your relationship. You both feel that your partner understands what you say and you have a high degree of compatibility on an intellectual or mental level. You rely on discussion, negotiating, and reason to iron out your differences.

Laex's Sun opposition Mon's Mercury orb 0° 31'

Lively exchanges of ideas are common between the two of you. Fortunately, you understand each other well, but unfortunately you sometimes have opposite opinions and perspectives on an issue. Despite your differences, you work together very well in practical matters, planning, organizing, developing or communicating ideas, and your differing viewpoints are not likely to be a serious problem.

Laex's Mercury opposition Mon's Sun orb 2° 41'

Lively exchanges of ideas are common between the two of you. Fortunately, you understand each other well, but unfortunately you sometimes have opposite opinions and perspectives on an issue. Despite your differences, you work together very well in practical matters, planning, organizing, developing or communicating ideas, and your differing viewpoints are not likely to be a serious problem.

Laex's Mercury opposition Mon's Venus orb 0° 45'

You enjoy discussing the arts, literature, and people. Your conversations are stimulating, although it is not unusual that you reach opposite conclusions. You may find that one of you (typically Mon) emphasizes the emotional side of a situation, issue, or problem and the other (typically Laex) is more concerned with the strictly technical or intellectual side.

Laex's Venus conjunct Mon's Moon orb 0° 46'

There is a sweet, tender, and sympathetic quality to the love feelings that you have for each other. You enjoy taking care of each other and nourishing each other. You probably enjoy such activities as cooking for each other or with each other. Your heart really opens up to one another and, like a mother who loves her children regardless of what they do, your affection for each other is likely to weather the most difficult trials.

Laex's Jupiter opposition Mon's Sun orb 0° 45'

There is a great deal of enthusiasm and optimism in your relationship. You inspire each other to expand your horizons, explore new possibilities, and improve your financial and social situation. You have a lot of good will towards each other, and also allow each other a lot of freedom. You do not smother each other. You may, however, engage in risky speculations together that are driven more by optimism and hopefulness than by well thought out plans, and consequently fall far short of your expectations. Overall, however, this astrological influence is a positive one of good will and optimism.

Laex's Jupiter opposition Mon's Venus orb 1° 10'

The two of you spark each other's sense of humor and good will. You usually put each other into a good mood, and you can count on lots of laughter, fun, and socializing to develop from this relationship. You feel open and uninhibited with each other, and a great appreciation for each other grows out of your happy times together.

Laex's Saturn conjunct Mon's Mars orb 2° 22'

The two of you are able to perform detailed tasks together, and really buckle down to a task at hand and successfully complete any task that you collaborate on. However, there may be too much caution and restraint when good opportunities arise. You are hesitant to take risks together. Laex is inclined to doubt Mon's ability to succeed in any kind of risky or speculative endeavor and consequently often suggests a conservative approach to achieving goals. In some cases, this caution is unwarranted and very frustrating to Mon, but at other times Laex provides a realistic, clear, focused perspective on how Mon can achieve goals.

On another level, Laex may suppress Mon's natural desires, drives, and physical energy level, which can leave Mon feeling drained and resentful. Beware of holding in anger and irritation with one another for it can slowly poison your relationship.

Through your relationship your individual spiritual attitudes, values, strengths, and weaknesses are uncovered and probed. This relationship forces both of you to examine your ideals, dreams, and spiritual aspirations more deeply.

Laex's Mercury sextile Mon's Moon orb 1° 31'

Long, friendly conversations are frequent in your relationship. You are able to openly share your inner feelings and concerns, and very often you may feel that there are very few other people that understand and appreciate you as well; this is true even in the early stages of your relationship. The deep level of mutual understanding and appreciation inclines your friendship to be a long, harmonious one.

Laex's Venus trine Mon's Sun orb 1° 56'

Yours is a congenial and enjoyable relationship, for you both like, love, and appreciate one another, and make special efforts to please one another. You also share a similarity in tastes and enjoyment of leisure activities and pleasures.

Laex's Venus trine Mon's Venus orb 0° 0'

There is a beautiful flow of love between the two of you, and you are able to both give and receive affection, appreciation, and tenderness in this relationship. You enjoy the same pleasures and find it easy and natural to do those things that really please and satisfy your partner. Your tastes in aesthetics is also very compatible.

Laex's Mars trine Mon's Mercury orb 1° 22'

You inspire each other to refine and clarify your ideas, plans and strategies. You are an effective team in research, writing, or business pursuits. You also help each other to successfully implement a plan or follow through on an idea until it manifests as a successful product or creative work. You also have spirited, feisty debates with one another.

Laex's Jupiter sextile Mon's Moon orb 0° 24'

There is a light-hearted, jovial quality to your relationship. This relationship tends to bring both of you 'out of the closet'. You enjoy going out together and entertaining friends at your home. The friendly, harmonious quality of your relationship is contagious and, as a couple, you are likely to have many good friends and a happy domestic life.

END OF THE SHORT VERSION

posted January 09, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
yeah that synastry is actually really good. but composite always overrules synastry in the long run.

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posted January 09, 2013 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Well many times, all that is needed to make a relationship horrible is to not have a love stellium .....

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Thanks for this post. We'veonly been together 2 yrs so...really it isn't that long. It could go so many ways.

What about this chart? Do you think this relationship has a good foundation to be something long lasting? I ask this because the duration of this relationship means how long I have to put up with their crap. lol

posted January 10, 2013 10:52 AM            

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Originally posted by rajin:
Hi RAS,
I am a bit confused. I read in on of your other threads that even a 12 deg separation between Sun,Venus or Merc forming the stellium would still be significant. I had posted a composite(pg 13 of this forum)where the sun and venus are within 2 degrees and Merc is about 8 degrees from the Sun.But you said the Merc is not close enough for forming a stellium. And there were other planets/asteroids bridging the gap between Sun and Merc.
So is the stellium there or not there? And is the difference too big? Can't figure it out,(scratching my head).Thanks.

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Oh i'm so sorry lol
I must've been out of it that day. That composite is really lovely. You can ignore everything I said about it. It's a love stellium conjunct jupiter and that is really a blessing to have. And no, you're right mercury is def not too far away. And mars afflicting the stellium doesnt mean arguments either (maybe i hadnt realized that yet back then? i don't know). I must've been too obsessed with "tight" love stelliums back then. I don't consider how tight it is as a big deal nowadays. Sorry about that!

posted January 10, 2013 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Stellar_moon this other composite is not good. It's sun conjunct venus afflicted by uranus and saturn, so you might get along at first, but wont be able to stand each other later on, especially with mars afflicted by uranus and pluto (ego clashes and tension underlying ur interactions). Moon afflicted by saturn and mars means arguments as well. These aspects are all pretty much described in the aspects to avoid link in my signature. You might be able to get a more full description there. I'm sorry, that sucks.

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That chart is not me, it's my sons father and his girlfriend and she is the woman who stalks me and tries to make my life horrible, i have no idea why. Ive done nothing to her. They have been together for almost 5 years now. I want them to break up so she will f off. LOL! thanks!

posted January 10, 2013 11:22 AM            

And Rajin: thank you for the kind words. You're very sweet

posted January 10, 2013 12:39 PM            

Also, how do you feel about Neptune square Mercury in composite? Web interps say you two see each other through rose colored glasses and may enable each other. It also says be careful not to project too much onto your partner. Is that a relationship killing square? In synastry we have heavy Neptune contacts (Venus conjunct Neptune sextile moon conjunct Pluto)

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted January 10, 2013 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by rajin:
It is a pity because the guy I have this composite with is so damn scared of any emotional entanglement he runs the moment things get serious. The fact is if he lets himself open up a bit he will realize that things can be so much easier and being vulnerable is not bad when someone cares about you. I guess this composite is a chart of a relationship that is doomed.Sigh.
thanks RAS for your kind help.

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Hmm post the compatibility for lovers report from grupovenus.com

maybe the problem is you dont have any pluto at all so he doesn't feel like you are "the one" or he feels there's something missing

posted January 10, 2013 12:52 PM            

My Pluto conjuncts his mercury, his Pluto conjuncts my DC and my AC trines his pluto.
My sun is conjunct his pluto ( 7 deg though)and his sun sextiles my pluto. We also have a moon trine and a moon square for each other's pluto.
Does that make any difference?

Chapter 1
A Comparison of Temperaments and Life Styles
that Affect Your Ability to Harmonize with Each Other

Kb's Sun in Libra and Rk's Sun in Scorpio

In many situations, Rk will respond with greater emotional intensity than Kb. While Kb is not a cool and aloof individual, Rk's feelings can run deeper. For example, both of you want a close relationship, but Rk can become intensely fixated on a person and possessive, whereas Kb maintains a sense of proportion and some reasonable degree of objectivity and emotional distance from others, even in marriage. Rk's 'urge to merge' can be very powerful. Kb's approach to life, in general, tends to be more moderate and well-balanced, while Rk tends to periodically become intensely focused on some area of concern and become even fanatical in pursuit of some interest. Kb's detached fairness can infuriate Rk at times, and Rk's inexplicable dark moods or fervent responses bewilder Kb. These differences need not create serious problems in your relationship. Emotional bonds between you can be very strong, especially if other astrological indications indicate strong romantic or sexual ties.

Kb's Moon in Cancer and Rk's Moon in Capricorn

Your instinctive emotional responses and your temperaments are very different and, in fact, quite opposite much of the time.

Kb is emotional, tender, sentimental, easily swayed by moods and appeals to sympathy. The need to be deeply connected, a desire to be taken care of and/or a need to be needed are very strong in Kb. Caring and closeness are of primary importance to Kb.

Rk is as committed and loyal in relationship as Kb is, but Rk is uncomfortable feeling or expressing softness, neediness, vulnerability, and emotion in general.

Rk has a certain crustiness and emotional distance, which seems cool or cold at times. Personal emotional needs are often ignored or put aside in favor of work, practical responsibilities and duties. Rk eschews dependency or 'babyishness', expecting capable, responsible, no-nonsense behavior at all times. Highly demanding of self and others, Rk often neglects the playful, feeling, childlike side of life.

Kb's emotionality and neediness often conflicts with Rk's emotional detachment and dry realism. Secretly, however, Rk needs tenderness as much as anyone, though admitting that and asking to be held or comforted is very hard for Rk to do. Kb's softness is much needed and appreciated by Rk.

And Kb, though sometimes frustrated by Rk's inexpressiveness or unresponsiveness, is also drawn to Rk's strength and emotional stability.

Chapter 2
Major Themes in the Relationship: What Brought You Together

Kb's Mercury conjunct Rk's Pluto orb 1° 7'

Your conversations tend to be probing and deep. You enjoy uncovering the underlying motivations and causes of a situation. Frequently what starts out as a light, friendly conversation ends up as an in-depth psychoanalysis of each other! Rk may dominate your conversations and at times tries to force Kb into agreeing or believing whatever Rk wants!

Kb's Venus opposition Rk's Mars orb 2° 48'

This is a relationship that is sparked by an irresistible sexual attraction and romantic desire. Your passion and desire for one another will always remain alive. If either of you is prone to possessiveness or jealousy, then you may find yourself feeling very uncomfortable by even subtle indications that you are competing with other suitors.

Kb's Neptune conjunct Rk's Sun orb 2° 38'

Imagination, fantasy, and idealism are key elements in your relationship. Rk, in particular, tends to see Kb in glamorous romanticized terms, and may fail to recognize Kb's actual character. You both need to ask yourselves: Have I fallen in love with a person or an image? Positively, there is a great deal of sympathy, an intuitive or psychic rapport that enables you to be very sensitive to one another's subtle cues and feelings. You also inspire one another's generosity, charitable impulses, and idealism. Negatively, you can deceive one another and tend to avoid clear, precise, direct communication, which may result in disappointments.

Kb's Moon square Rk's Pluto orb 1° 3'

The emotional bond between you is very complex. Sexual attraction is strong and you find each other to be very magnetic or highly charismatic. But you also will find yourself becoming uncomfortable with various deeply ingrained habits and attitudes of each other as you learn more about each other. You are simultaneously attracted and repulsed by each other. You evoke intense emotional responses from each other and if you want this relationship to be a long-lasting one, you will have to be very careful because a blowup in the relationship can be triggered by jealousy, acts of unkindness, or simply the unwillingness of either of you to change deeply ingrained habits that are offensive to each other. In short, this is an emotionally intense relationship that blows hot and cold, drives you to emotional extremes, and challenges your deepest, most personal and important attitudes and habits.

Kb's Mercury trine Rk's Saturn orb 0° 39'

You work together well on practical problems. You help each other refine and clarify your ideas, and help 'edit' each other's work. Consequently you make a very effective team in business affairs, important or exacting work, and in solving daily problems.

Kb's Mercury sextile Rk's Neptune orb 0° 0'

You have a strong intuitive and psychic rapport, and you often sense what is on each other's minds well before any words are spoken. You also enjoy discussing topics that have a strong imaginative or mystical element, such as the arts, music, religion, etc.

Kb's Venus square Rk's Jupiter orb 1° 49'

You enjoy laughing, having fun, socializing, and going out together. You are great pals, but the relationship may not be serious enough to warrant a lasting commitment to each other. Consequently you both may decide to not marry even though you may love each other very much. If you do marry, you will allow each other a great deal of freedom, but you are likely to disagree on how to handle finances, budgeting, and investments.

Kb's Mars sextile Rk's Mars orb 1° 35'

You are able to work together very harmoniously and complement each other's efforts. You coordinate well on tackling daily chores and you are able to accomplish a great deal in almost any joint effort.

Kb's Saturn sextile Rk's Mars orb 1° 20'

You work together on tasks and problems very well. Your daily lives run smoothly, and you are able to coordinate efforts in a smooth, harmonious manner.

Kb's Ascendant square Rk's Mars orb 0° 54'

posted January 10, 2013 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Got Gemini??:
Hey RAS, how do you feel about Saturn Conjunct Sun in composite un-afflicted? The interps I read say it grounds the two but been sure to not be so serious all the time.

Also, how do you feel about Neptune square Mercury in composite? Web interps say you two see each other through rose colored glasses and may enable each other. It also says be careful not to project too much onto your partner. Is that a relationship killing square? In synastry we have heavy Neptune contacts (Venus conjunct Neptune sextile moon conjunct Pluto)

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Composite sun conjunct saturn is not so bad. It means that sometimes you focus too much on your responsibilities together, but it can easily be outweighed by almost anything else going on in the chart between you. I used to think it was a bad aspect but from experience i noticed it really isn't a big deal. It's worse if you have more than the sun afflicted by saturn in the composite, though. Like if you have venus and mercury afflicted by saturn, yeah that is gonna be worse. There's gonna be awkward silences (mercury), you're gonna be more critical of each other, more annoyed. etc. And by afflicted i also mean conjunct it. So if you have saturn conjunct any kind of stellium, that saturn afflicts the whole stellium, since it is also conjunct all of those planets. If you want something that grounds a couple, look for saturn trines and sextiles. Those are nice and it feels like you are making sacrifices for each other out of LOVE not duty. It doesn't make things feel painful and burdensome. but if you really JUST have composite sun conjunct saturn, that shouldn't be a big problem at all. It can easily be outweighed by anything else in your synastry or composite which makes things more lighthearted.

Composite mercury afflicted by neptune isn't a big deal. It does mean that when you talk to each other you don't remember what was said in the past and you can't remember exactly who said what. It tends to get jumbled. I had that aspect with a guy once and it was just like that. It didn't seem too bothersome or anything. It didn't really seem to make much of a difference in how we got along.

posted January 10, 2013 12:57 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Stellar_moon: saturn, uranus afflictions to the composite sun are not good. They'll ruin even a love stellium. Some of the worst enemies i've made i had a love stellium afflicted by both saturn and uranus. Someone who i became seriously scared of I had composite sun conjunct mars opposite saturn, uranus and neptune. That is the worst because mars afflicted by the outer planets in composite is rly one of the worst things u can have.

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