posted January 10, 2013 08:44 PM            

Mls is also prone to fits of optimism and is inclined to gamble and speculate, whereas S9m prefers a well thought out, clear, practical plan. Also, S9m is inclined to be serious toward relationships and wants a secure, committed relationship, while Mls wants more space and freedom.

If your dissimilarities are not too extreme, you can complement each other rather than frustrate each other, with Mls providing the energy and vision, and S9m providing the steady hand and practical applications."
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S9m's Moon in Taurus and Mls's Moon in Scorpio
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"Both of you are rather obstinate and inflexible, and cannot be easily moved once you've made up your mind. Nor does logic or reason work wonders with either of you, when you decide you want something. When the two of you lock horns, it's a matter of which of you wears down first!

Of the two of you, S9m is the more practical and down to earth. A loving, stable home, creature comforts, and peaceful relationships are S9m's ideal. S9m has a much simpler emotional nature than Mls, and is much more easily contented.

Mls's feelings run very deep. Mls loves intensely, but is also capable of tremendous animosity and hostility if hurt or betrayed. Mls has a very private, secretive side and often hides feelings or withdraws from people as a means of self-protection. Anger, guilt, and jealousy are emotions Mls frequently keeps hidden inside.

All of this is rather incomprehensible to S9m, though S9m does share with Mls the tendency to be possessive with a love partner.

Mls also demands much more from a partner in terms of emotional involvement, intimacy, and depth. Mls doesn't accept anything at face value, and it may seem to S9m that Mls is always probing, analyzing feelings, and thereby making unnecessary trouble.

There is a strong magnetic attraction between you, and you can be very, very close, especially if you learn to appreciate one another's ways."
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Mars Mutually Aspects Pluto
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" Your ability to work together with intense zeal and sense of mission is quite extraordinary. Bonding is very intense and you become very deeply and intimately involved with each other, so this relationship may well lead to marriage. Power struggles are very possible though; if you come to cross-purposes, one of you may try to dominate and manipulate the other. Your ego drives, competitiveness, and personal ambitions can get in the way of a truly cooperative, harmonious union."
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S9m's Mercury conjunct Mls's Mercury orb 2° 42'
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" The striking similarity in your thinking - the way you approach problems and handle specific mental tasks, as well as approach broader, more philosophical problems - provides a good basis for mutual understanding, ease of communication, and enjoyable conversation."
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S9m's Mercury conjunct Mls's Venus orb 0° 30'
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"You enjoy sharing ideas and viewpoints about art, culture, psychology, and literature. You work well together on ideas that involve an artistic or emotional quality. Conversations, in general, are pleasant and harmonious."
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S9m's Mars conjunct Mls's Saturn orb 0° 7'
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" The two of you are able to perform detailed tasks together, and really buckle down to a task at hand and successfully complete any task that you collaborate on. However, there may be too much caution and restraint when good opportunities arise. You are hesitant to take risks together. Mls is inclined to doubt S9m's ability to succeed in any kind of risky or speculative endeavor and consequently often suggests a conservative approach to achieving goals. In some cases, this caution is unwarranted and very frustrating to S9m, but at other times Mls provides a realistic, clear, focused perspective on how S9m can achieve goals.

On another level, Mls may suppress S9m's natural desires, drives, and physical energy level, which can leave S9m feeling drained and resentful. Beware of holding in anger and irritation with one another for it can slowly poison your relationship."
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S9m's Mars conjunct Mls's Pluto orb 2° 42'
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"You draw out of each other your deepest drives and desires. The two of you arouse a zeal and sense of mission in each other that makes it possible for you to jointly accomplish extraordinary tasks. However, your fears and anxieties are brought to the surface too, and there is no guarantee that your zealousness will produce positive, constructive results. You may become fanatical in an extreme and unbalanced manner. Also, sexual passion, jealousy, and competition can be very volatile, disruptive, obsessive, and intense in this relationship."
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S9m's Jupiter conjunct Mls's Venus orb 1° 41'
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" You enjoy each other's company immensely and you put each other in a happy mood. You make each other laugh and you feel very open, loose, and jovial around each other. You will also include others in your lives, expand your circle of friends, and allow one another a good deal of freedom, rather than being exclusive or possessive about one another. There is a great deal of generosity between you, and you may benefit one another financially and materially as well as emotionally. A wonderful friendship!"
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S9m's Neptune conjunct Mls's Venus orb 0° 40'
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" Your feelings for each other reach into levels of sensitivity and subtlety that is unusual for both of you. You become very dreamy around each other and if there is a romantic attraction between you, then you go through periods of dreamy romantic reverie together. You also evoke feelings of sympathy and compassion in each other, and you may inspire each other to write poetry or even evoke religious or spiritual feelings. You tend to let your feelings for each other cloud your perceptions and often you have an unrealistic view of each other. Your relationship exemplifies the old adage 'love is blind'."
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S9m's Mercury sextile Mls's Saturn orb 0° 21'
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" You communicate with each other very clearly and you are able to 'talk each other's language'. This astrological influence, for example, is an excellent one for a student-teacher relationship, scientific research, and business pursuits. It also facilitates successfully handling of day-to-day problems that arise."
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S9m's Mars sextile Mls's Venus orb 1° 0'
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"There is a strong romantic attraction between you and you instinctively know how to please and make one another happy sexually. Both tenderness and passion are present between you, so this relationship can be immensely fulfilling to both of you!"
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S9m's Mars square Mls's Mars orb 0° 48'
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"You periodically find that you frustrate each other when attempting to work jointly on a project. The problem arises because your approach to work is very different. Very often you will find that you must work on a project separately because successful joint effort is impossible. Fighting, provoking, driving, or pushing one another can be problems for you. There is a great deal of irritation and stress between you at times. At least there is no lack of fire in your relationship!"
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S9m's Pluto sextile Mls's Mercury orb 1° 42'
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" You enjoy deep, probing conversations with each other. Your conversations are rarely light and superficial - you enjoy digging beneath the surface and you make an excellent research team, investigators - or possibly gossips who cannot resist discussing every one else's business!"
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S9m's Pluto sextile Mls's Venus orb 1° 30'
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"Romantic love and sexual attraction is very strong. You pour your hearts out to each other and feel like you are able to express your feelings to each other very fully. This is a powerful love affair that may lead to marriage."
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S9m's Pluto square Mls's Mars orb 0° 18'
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" You inspire, inflame, vitalize, and energize one another and you can accomplish much together, but you can easily become overly zealous, even fanatical, in your pursuits. It is also likely that your objectives will sometimes be different and you will feel at cross-purposes with each other. You often end up in power struggles, being very competitive with each other, and trying to manipulate or dominate one another. S9m, especially, can override or undermine Mls's efforts.

Sexual attraction is very strong, but as with other things, one of you is likely to come on too strong to the other and this may be offensive to your partner. There is a driving, compelling, somewhat impersonal quality to your love-making at times."
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S9m's Mercury square Mls's Ascendant orb 2° 52'
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"Frequently the two of you view a situation very differently, and you frequently respond to events very differently. Unfortunately, you are also inclined to feel that your approach is superior and feel very frustrated that you cannot enlighten your partner. Very often, also, this annoying situation is triggered by a relatively minor incident. Try to better appreciate your partner's point of view."
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Other Themes in Your Relationship

S9m's Sun in Mls's 4 house and
Mls's Sun in S9m's 4 house
S9m's Moon in Mls's 9 house
Mls's Moon in S9m's 3 house
S9m's Mercury in Mls's 4 house and
Mls's Mercury in S9m's 4 house
S9m's Venus in Mls's 3 house
Mls's Venus in S9m's 4 house
S9m's Mars in Mls's 2 house
Mls's Mars in S9m's 5 house
S9m's Jupiter in Mls's 4 house
Mls's Jupiter in S9m's 3 house
S9m's Saturn in Mls's 2 house
Mls's Saturn in S9m's 3 house
S9m's Uranus in Mls's 3 house
Mls's Uranus in S9m's 4 house
S9m's Neptune in Mls's 4 house and
Mls's Neptune in S9m's 4 house
S9m's Pluto in Mls's 2 house and
Mls's Pluto in S9m's 2 house

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S9m's Moon opposition Mls's Moon orb 3° 8'
S9m's Moon opposition Mls's Jupiter orb 3° 23'
S9m's Mercury conjunct Mls's Neptune orb 4° 27'
S9m's Mercury sextile Mls's Pluto orb 2° 12'
S9m's Mars sextile Mls's Mercury orb 2° 12'
S9m's Jupiter conjunct Mls's Mercury orb 4° 54'
S9m's Jupiter sextile Mls's Saturn orb 2° 34'
S9m's Neptune conjunct Mls's Mercury orb 3° 53'
S9m's Moon trine Mls's Ascendant orb 4° 11'
S9m's Ascendant trine Mls's Mercury orb 3° 44'

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posted January 10, 2013 08:58 PM            

Saturnine_moth once again! Good synastry but bad composite = a bad result. A bad Composite seems to override great synastry every time. If the composite is bad it seems like all is hopeless. the composite is interpreted as being literally the birth/natal chart of the relationship itself.

posted January 10, 2013 09:16 PM            

Your composite with your mom is bad though. (Sun and venus afflicted by uranus and saturn! moon afflicted by mars and uranus)

posted January 10, 2013 09:27 PM            

One soft and gushy spot: My youngest and I have Sun, Venus, and Merc conj in Taurus (at 19*, 23*, and 24*, respectively).
Ew. But the Moon's squaring them (at 18* Aqua).

posted January 10, 2013 09:52 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
^moon squaring love stellium is not bad. its actually a good thing.

about a love stellium in the fourth, i dont remember what it means but astro-click partner in astro.com explains what it means

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KK, I'll hit that one in a bit.
After I clean.
(Really! I'm about to get up...any minute now.)

The aforementioned stellium (out of sign stellium?) was with my husband and my middle daughter (his step-daughter, but we've been married since she was 2 1/2).

I'm currently going through astro-click partner with my daughters' composites (and ignoring all of the references to sex ), but haven't made it to that one yet.

posted January 10, 2013 10:18 PM            

Daughter 1 + Daughter 2 = 3* Tau Moon, 12* Tau Sun, 13* Tau Merc

Daughter 1 + Daughter 3 = 9* Gem Sun, 12* Gem Venus, 16* Gem Merc

posted January 11, 2013 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Got Gemini,

I'm sorry for your pain. Stay strong. Here is a song that reminds me of you: Always by Jon Bovi.
http://youtu.be/9BMwcO6_hyA

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Thank you!!! Great song too!

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted January 11, 2013 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
gotgemini....
hope everything goes well.

im surprised.

my current love is gemini sun, libra moon, gemini mercury, gemini venus and scorpio mars.
im a scorpio.
i was wary of being with him since i think gemini = cheaters. but, it is nice to see that you folks can be very loyal.
my love is amazing...and we have the love stellium.

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Thank you hikaro! Yeah, despite my current situation, I'm an extremely loyal person. Its just at this point, I need to move on.

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted January 11, 2013 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Composite Sun conjunct venus is very important. Many websites/astrologers beacon it as the strongest indication of true love between two people. Challenge me all you want, but you can't beat hundreds of astrologers with tons of counseling experience saying the same thing.

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thanks ras.
now, i looked at the threads on aspects to avoid and aspects to look for...
from what you've seen in composites, which main aspects are the killers of the love stellium?
the thread on aspect to avoid mention several aspects, but...have you noticed a main 'bad' one?

posted January 11, 2013 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
thanks ras.
now, i looked at the threads on aspects to avoid and aspects to look for...
from what you've seen in composites, which main aspects are the killers of the love stellium?
the thread on aspect to avoid mention several aspects, but...have you noticed a main 'bad' one?

this is very fascinating...
im going to do my own research now. do you recommend testing composites of couple who have been together for a particular time, if so, how many years?

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yeah you should test it. im not sure about the years. Honestly i think better than to ask the years, we should be asking DO YOU LOVE THEM AND ARE YOU HAPPY. bc sometimes ppl stay together forever but are miserable.

but anyway the pattern i noticed is the love stellium whether its the semisextile, opposition conjunction or semisquare kind.

or also sometimes its just the moon is in aspect to venus in either synastry or composite while either sun, moon, or venus is in aspect to pluto in the composite. Sometimes it will not be composite, it'll just be pluto stuff in synastry period.

But for a YES answer to the DO YOU LOVE THEM question, definitely i am sure there will be an unafflicted love stellium or at least composite sun in aspect to venus (equals same thing as sun conj venus). Or else they will be in an unhappy marriage, that's my theory.

The love stellium killers: The main aspects are composite mars in negative aspect or conjunction with either uranus, pluto or saturn (even minor negative aspects count as long as they show up on the astro.com chart grid beneath the wheel)---but they are always combined with one of the following:
1. lack of pluto aspects in both syn and comp (mars-pluto doesnt count)
2. or also saturn AND uranus both afflicting (or conjunct) a composite love stellium or sun-venus aspect. Or sometimes it is JUST uranus afflicting the composite sun or all of the stellium.

Also composite venus square/opp uranus is an everything killer. the couple will either never even go out in the first place bc circumstances will not allow or they will quickly get bored of each other and break up. and venus afflicted by uranus in synastry-ers will also never go out bc feelings will fluctuate too much (do i like him, do i not like him? I cant decide!)

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I'm going to post this again! haha! because i feel its so important! it's not just these two astrologers who have counseled so many couples n seen so many charts who agree with me that composite sun conjunct venus will prove statistically significant in happy marriages. There are many other astrologers i have seen say this!

Composite Sun conjunct venus is very important. Many websites/astrologers beacon it as the strongest indication of true love between two people. Challenge me all you want, but you can't beat hundreds of astrologers with tons of counseling experience saying the same thing.

From: http://www.forrestastrology.com/General-Astrology/mountain-astrologer-interview

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TMA: That's a wonderful insight. Now, going back to composites, do you see Sun-Venus conjunctions in long-term relationships, and do you see that a lot?

JF: Very often.

SF: It's very common. In fact, it is one of many avenues where a statistical proof of astrology, which seems to be a holy grail for some people, would be fairly easily accomplished. Get a group of people who have been married or committed to each other for five years or more and do a statistical analysis of the presence of the Sun-Venus conjunction in the composite chart versus chance. I would stake my life on it that we would see a distinct Venus pattern because it emerges so often in the counseling room.

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