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posted August 31, 2011 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Saturn in the Composite actually is often present in the charts of married couples, because Saturn deals with duty. The thing is that just because you feel a duty and responsibility towards your partner doesnt mean that it'll be a happy relationship. Saturn in conjunction or negative aspect to the sun in the composite makes both people feel like they are two dogs on a very short leash together because you will both take life TOO seriously around each other. But the thing is you know you can always count on each other and you are almost always there for one another, so that is why relationships last also, even though they may not be all that happy. It's much better to have sun trine saturn for example. That is a positive aspect with very little negative aspects except that you may get stuck in routine every now and then, but other aspects with uranus for example could easily balance this out.

So I'm not surprised that saturn was present with the stelliums in the charts of your committed relationships, but if you think about it, i'm sure you'll find you were both overly unsympathetic to each other at times, and that it was hard to truly see life in a positive way around this person. Read up on sun conjunct or in bad aspect to saturn in the composite on google. I usually find aspect descriptions accurate.

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posted August 31, 2011 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found:
"If you can manage your responsibilities, this relationship could go on "For better or worse, in sickness and health, till death do you part." The more purposeful you are the better off you will be. This is a great lesson to be learned. Until then you will meet with delay, denial, inhibitions, limitations and confinement. But, once you get it, you may pass by. Limit the criticism. Make the effort to achieve mutual understanding. Compatibility requires time and effort."


Basically the relationship exists to bring you both face to face with all the responsibilities you have been avoiding until now. That's one of the purposes of the relationship. And trust me life will find a way to place in front of you all of the difficulties it can muster. Whether one of you loses their job, develops an illness, or you have constant financial difficulties (which is usually the case with saturn). But if you manage through this together you will learn to rely on yourself and have better self-esteem. Saturn teaches responsibility through hardship. The relationship may last longer, But it doesn't mean it's gonna be easy or fun. I believe you could easily find yourself "together for the worse" and more like a burden you hav to carry.

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posted August 31, 2011 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html

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posted August 31, 2011 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 31, 2011 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I found:
"If you can manage your responsibilities, this relationship could go on "For better or worse, in sickness and health, till death do you part." The more purposeful you are the better off you will be. This is a great lesson to be learned. Until then you will meet with delay, denial, inhibitions, limitations and confinement. But, once you get it, you may pass by. Limit the criticism. Make the effort to achieve mutual understanding. Compatibility requires time and effort."


Basically the relationship exists to bring you both face to face with all the responsibilities you have been avoiding until now. That's one of the purposes of the relationship. And trust me life will find a way to place in front of you all of the difficulties it can muster. Whether one of you loses their job, develops an illness, or you have constant financial difficulties (which is usually the case with saturn). But if you manage through this together you will learn to rely on yourself and have better self-esteem. Saturn teaches responsibility through hardship. The relationship may last longer, But it doesn't mean it's gonna be easy or fun. I believe you could easily find yourself "together for the worse" and more like a burden you hav to carry.


HiRunaroundscreaming,

This is why I don’t think my relationship with husband will last and why I am trying to direct us in a path that we can end up as good friends. I have grown a lot from this relationship, it definitely forces you to face responsibilities that you have been avoiding because you do not want to grow up type of thing for both of us but I am exhausted...it has lasted 4.5 years though because for most of the life of the relationship the hardships were nicely been balanced with fun but lately I don’t feel there is a balance anymore and I feel is time for me to let go and have a sense that what I was suppose to learn has been learned and I am just tired of the monotony and the stress/focus on responsibility. With the one I have a real nice stellium in synastry I also have a stellium in composite that involves Saturn but my relationship with him is extremely light and is why I like it he (aquarias sun aries moon) gets me in touch with my free spirited side and makes me want to be more independent) so we must have some real nice aspects that balance this out. Actually I just rechecked composite chart with guy that relationship feels light and stellium is between Sun-Mercury-Mars-Uranus not Sun-mercury-Mars-Saturn hence why is light! LOL I must have been tired when I was looking at it yesterday and my saturn composite aspects with him are: saturn trine moon, saturn semisextile venus and Saturn sextile Jupiter.

Thank you so much for all your guidance and information, it has been extremely helpful. This board and forum is really helping me figure things and is nice to have other fellow astrology lovers to discuss astrology with .

Laura Amelia

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posted August 31, 2011 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw, you are very welcome, sweetheart!

I feel this is the first time anyone has even taken my advice seriously on this forum lol. So, really, trust me, the appreciation is mutual . So thank you.

lol That's funny, actually because when you said the relationship with the other guy is actually ery light ad carefree even though you had saturn in the coposite my eyes opened wide and I was like woah, first time Ever that's Ever happened lol. I'm sorry to hear about your husband :/. The reason why I know this about saturn in the composite isn't just because i usually look up someone's composite with me on astro click protrait as soon as we are finding we have chemistry, lol, but also because I have seen it in my own friendships and relationships, you know? I can always tell right away now when I have saturn conjunct or in hard aspect to the sun inthe composite now. i feel a responsibility towards someone, almost like it would be a sin to walk away from them because i feel bad, but we really complain too much together and they dont really brighten my day, even though i care about them so much. Unfortunately my best friend who feels she's found her soulmate, the one where she has most of her planets clustered together on one side of the composite chart with him, they have sun conjunct saturn in the cluster, so she complains to me often about financial difficulties, his family being nasty towards her, and all the trouble they have to go through of working constantly etc. And when i am around them...omg....those two people never joke around with each other. It seems like it's not a relationship i'd like to be in. She doesnt look happy though she feels they are soulmates, which i can uderstabd how that works, actually.

Also, I know people usually say pluto is the indicator of unrequited love, but I really think saturn is. Saturn causes u to be critical of someone. Pluto iso more about transformation and possessing someone completely.

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posted August 31, 2011 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Runaroundscreaming,

"I feel a responsibility towards someone, almost like it would be a sin to walk away from them because i feel bad, but we really complain too much together and they don't really brighten my day, even though i care about them so much." -Runaroundscreaming.

This description is exactly why I ended up getting involved with him in the first place. I cared about him a lot right from the beginning but I wasn't in love and I felt really bad for him and felt responsible for him. During the first month we started dating I remember arriving home and crying because I felt such compassion towards him. I felt like he didn't have anyone in the world and I wanted to finally give him that and I did and now I don't have the guts to leave him because I feel bad for him but I will because I am increasingly unhappier and feel trapped. We use to joke around a lot but that aspect of our relationship is disappearing more and more and part of it is because I want out because I reached my limit. We do complaint too much together and he use to brighten my day but it seems like if you have Saturn in a composite stellium that the longer you have been with the person the more the influence of Saturn becomes apparent.

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posted September 01, 2011 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes sense.

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posted September 01, 2011 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you see, btw the thread someone just started titled "Saturn Relations" trying to see if it's true that saturn makes relationships last longer but they are also depressing? Haha. I don't think they even saw this, I think it's just coincidence. And the thread omly asks about saturn in synastry but it's still pretty interesting.

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posted September 01, 2011 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, that was a very selfish thing to do. To marry someone you didn't love. Didn't you think you would eventually have to break up? But at the same time, I sympathize. I know I could easily have ended up in your situation myself since I don't know what your circumstances were exactly. We all make mistakes. And I don't blame you. I'm just saying this so that next time you really don't lead someone on like that because it just does more hurt than good. No matter how much you may feel bad or actually care about them. You have to take care of yourself first, or else you end up hurting the one you meant to protect.

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posted September 01, 2011 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JFK, I looked at the two dates and you actually do have the sun-mercury-venus stellium with this guy in the composite. It's just that the sun mercury conjunction is pretty loose. Even though astro.com and grupovenus.com don't show a sun mercury conjunction, astrology3d.com does and I trust that site, so I guess it still has validity. You also have sun and venus square pluto so that adds a lot of depth and passion to things. Like i said before sun opp venus is the same thing as sun conjunct venus, so you do have true love. Sun square pluto means you feel like each of you can see into the other's soul. I've seen that one many times in attractions .

Your syanstry points to intense bonding. You have moon square pluto in the synastry in addition to sun conjunct pluto and also you have sun and venus square pluto and moon conjunct neptune in the composite so that's why u feel the way u do. Since moon square pluto is within 01 degrees this is the closest aspect in ur chart it is extremely strong and solely defines ur entire relationship. Grupovenus.com says:

"         The emotional bond between you is very complex. Sexual attraction is strong and you find each other to be very magnetic or highly charismatic. But you also will find yourself becoming uncomfortable with various deeply ingrained habits and attitudes of each other as you learn more about each other. You are simultaneously attracted and repulsed by each other. You evoke intense emotional responses from each other and if you want this relationship to be a long-lasting one, you will have to be very careful because a blowup in the relationship can be triggered by jealousy, acts of unkindness, or simply the unwillingness of either of you to change deeply ingrained habits that are offensive to each other. In short, this is an emotionally intense relationship that blows hot and cold, drives you to emotional extremes, and challenges your deepest, most personal and important attitudes and habits."

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posted September 01, 2011 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
astrograph.com says:

"This aspect, of the Moon in square with partner's Pluto, can represent a dangerous, and explosive relationship. You may be coming together to do some serious healing, and you can expect intense emotions and the exposing of your most cherished and unknown secrets through this relationship, perhaps [...]

In a romantic context, since both passion and conflict exist in this relationship you may need to proceed with extreme caution. Wills may clash, or control issues arise, and all the while a powerful and magnetic attraction exists between you. You feel both a push and a pull, something that draws [...]"

not just that but you sun conjunct pluto and moon conjunct neptune in synastry, which is crazy.

Astrology3d.com's relationship reprt describes

"Moon Conjunct Neptune

Together the two of you can realize an unusually beautiful, spiritual communion of souls. You'll develop a delicate and subtle sensitivity to one another's feelings, moods, and inner needs, an almost mystical understanding of one another. This unusual degree of empathy will enable you to feel extremely close to and compassionate toward one another. Telepathic or nonverbal communication takes place quite readily between you, and your psychic senses are evoked by being in one another's presence. For instance, you may begin to see auras or have accurate intuitions about distant events, especially if they involve one another. Your receptivity, passivity, nurturing qualities, spirituality, and sensitivity are undoubtedly heightened as a result of being together. Imagination is a major ingredient in your relationship, too. One of the only potential liabilities in all this would be if you are already poorly connected to the earth and prone to confuse true spirituality with fantasy. In that case the two of you could create your own little dream world together, one that has no basis in anything real, an escapist's illusion. If either or both of you have problems with alcohol or other addictions, beware of trying to rescue, save, or cure one another - or on the other hand, of succumbing to or participating in these things together. That could be really devastating to what could otherwise be a beautiful sharing relationship."

you also have sun trine jupiter and sun sextile uranus with each other in synastry so this definitely adds a lighthearted touch to what could be feeling right now like simply an obsessive relationship with lost of trust issues otherwise.

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Oh you also have composite moon and mars in the first house ehich i had with a beat friend and it was AWESOME. Moon in the first means you feel so many of the same things. I've had this with 2 close friends, and it was wonderful becaus literally they had all the same insecurities as me and we felt all the same things and had the same situations with people in our lives and it was great.

Mars in the first is one of my faves beause you have so much fun together and rev each other up. It's hard to not be energetic or be in a sullen mood when ur together. In my experience it's a great indication of CHEMISTRY You feel like you canteuly be yourselves around each other--particularly ur fun, lighthearted true selves

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I have felt sun square pluto in synastry and it is pretty intense so i can only imagie what sun COnjunct pluto which is even more intense and more compatible and rewarding feels like! In addition to that in a relationship with the true love stellium AND sun square pluto in the composite lol. Girl, I feel you.

This is how astrology3d.com describes sun conjunct pluto though I feel it doesnt do it justice

Jfk guy's Sun Conjunct Jfk's Pluto

Jfk guy is fascinated, intrigued, and sometimes even mesmerized by Jfk's inner qualities. You draw out each other's deepest, hidden feelings, drives, needs, and ambitions. The uncovering of your inner needs and hopes is likely to cause both of you to undergo some major personality changes as a result of this relationship. You share a deep, inner bond; this is not a light or superficial relationship

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posted September 01, 2011 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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To be honest, that was a very selfish thing to do. To marry someone you didn't love. Didn't you think you would eventually have to break up? But at the same time, I sympathize. I know I could easily have ended up in your situation myself since I don't know what your circumstances were exactly. We all make mistakes. And I don't blame you. I'm just saying this so that next time you really don't lead someone on like that because it just does more hurt than good. No matter how much you may feel bad or actually care about them. You have to take care of yourself first, or else you end up hurting the one you meant to protect.

I didn't lead him on I have been extremely honest with him ever since I have started having doubts. I told him I didn't want to get married many times and he would not take me seriously. He has moon in cancer and gets extremely attached and makes me feel super bad about trying to break up with him every time I try. I do looooove him I am just not in love with him but will always love him. I started having doubts three months before the wedding and my mom had worked so hard to prepare wedding, both parents looking forward to it. I felt pressured from everyone including him to go through with it. He would tell me he didn't want to get married to get a divorce but would completely ignore me telling him I didn't want to get married. I have been thinking of everyone but myself and now I am working on myself and putting myself first but I needed more than 3 months to work on standing up for my needs. Virgos put others first and sacrifice.

He has grown a lot thanks to this relationship and that is the truth. He lived in an office when I met him and now we live in a house with 4 bedrooms. He was in a hole and I helped him get out of it. I hope that if we do split up he recognizes that I was good to him and doesn't hate me and we can be friends (he is a libra and I have 11th house in libra). Not every relationship is meant to last forever. I am restless sag rising and very honest bc of sag rising. I am also very compassionate because of moon in Pisces and like to please bc I am Virgo. If it wasn't for leo in venus and mars I would be submissive I bet, but bc of virgo sun and pisces moon I still have the desire to please and help others. Things happen for a reason, even bad things. Pain leads to growth. I think he has a lesson that he needs to learn since he is having such difficulty letting go of me. I learned the lesson of letting go when I was 19 with scorpio guy I was in love with who we still care for each other. It was a 4 year lesson and it was not easy but I don't have hard feelings for him anymore because I understand I needed to learn to let go (I have saturn in Scorpio).

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Also the day before yesterday we came to an agreement that when lease is up we will both get our own place and have an open relationship. I feel this will be a nice transition to becoming friends or staying in an open relationship which I could be happy with him with this arrangement. He has uranus in the 7th so I am hoping he will end up liking arrangement.Since we made this agreement he looks happy and we have been getting along.

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posted September 01, 2011 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aw, I understand now. That sounds like a tough situation, and I probably wouldve acted the same way.
I can see that you did help him and it sounds like it was for the better for you both. 4 years is a long time. I wish you the best, but it seems like u got it anyways lol

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posted September 02, 2011 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just so you guys know what I'm talking about

This is my best friend and her boyfriend's composite. They both feel they're soulmates. However they have a lot of financial and other difficulties because of saturn being where it is.


Also, just so you guys know, Mercury opposite the sun in the composite is also the same as mercury conjunct the sun, just as venus opposite sun and venus conjunct the sun are interpreted the same way in the composite.

Also, composite moon conjunct venus is a strong indicator of true love as well, but i don't think it's AS nice as sun conj or opposite venus. It feels a lot moodier, unstable, and subjective. compsite Moon trine and sextile venus also give strong feeling of love but, of course it's felt less than the conjunction. Also, if you have the stellium, and even a whole lot of planets all clustered together in one side of the composite chart, but they are square pluto, uranus, saturn, neptune etc...if they (almost always includes the sun) are square two or more of these, I'd say watch out. If they are square both uranus and saturn (specifically the sun) then you probably will never even be drawn to this person even if you have that mercury-venus-stellium and even if all the planets are on one side of the composite. Sometimes it even means unrequited love. This has happened 3 times to me, and each one it was a common theme. We had clustered planets on one side of the chart, with the mercury-venus-stellium, but the stellium was square or opposition uranus and saturn (in one there was neptune also) and I never even felt the slightest interest in them, but they did like me.

I'm really liking the interpretations of moonit.com . It seems so on point every time. You should really check it out. Just put your significant other's birthdate in the profile where you'd normally put ur own birthdate, and then for the report when it ask's you the other person's birthdate put your birthdate instead. That way you can change the member profile birthdate to any birthdate u like and compare yourself with unlimited people without having to pay a cent.

I also like grupovenus.com's compatibility for lovers, astrology3d.com's compatibility reports, and astrograph.com's romantic compatibility report (need birth time for it to be accurate). Starmatch.com isn't bad either.

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posted September 07, 2011 06:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bummmppp.......

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Moon conjunct venus is a MUCH more stronger and important aspect in the composite than sun conjunct venus. For one thing, it's MUCH more rare. Since the moon moves fast, whereas venus and mercury aren't ever far from the sun lol. Sun is direction in life, but moon is someone's emotions. So even in synastry, moon conjunct venus will always be a better aspect than sun conjunct venus.

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Well, I checked my composite chart with about 20 others (including family) and guess what.. I only share a Sun/Venus/Mercury conjunction with my new love interest.. that sounds promising!

I do share a Sun/Venus conjunction with my very best friend (Sun 22*/Venus 27,5*) and also a stellium with my first, longest and most serious love;
- Sun 23*
- Venus 28*
- Uranus 25*
- Pluto 21*

Okay, now my new love interest, he's one of the four dates I had the last 8 weeks and the only one I felt something with (much more than with those 3 others and next weekend we'll have our second date);

In Gemini:

- Sun 22,5*
- Venus 21* (AQUA-Mars 21*! )
- Mercury 25*
- Saturn 11*

(I guess Saturn is not exactly part of this stellium?)

Virgo-Pluto at 29'57* (not exactly a square what I think)

Libra-Uranus at 15* (not exactly a trine maybe)

Neptune isn't relevant.

The only problem I see is a Saturn/Moon quincunx within 1* , but well a hard DW in synastry also... to keep us together ofcourse

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Moon-saturn aspects aren't good hun. Especially a DW. It means you both are too unsympathetic of each other at times and dont care enough about each other's feelings and can be somewhat brusque and cold with each other. Eventually you'll probably see that the tone that develops between you is much too serious, uncomfortable and critical. But, hey, with the true love stellium anything's possible. As long as you have plenty of other aspects in ur synastry that show u have lots of fun together. I'm just saying, moon-saturn is a major downer :/

moon-saturn in composite means you constantly feel hurt by each other and like the other person isnt really there for you. Watch out for that one, too.

I'm glad that you're able to say this about sun-venus, mir, because i had moon conjunct venus with someone in the composite once and it wasnt amazing at all.

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From my experience, mintgirl just likes to go against everything i say. Like i said before, the fact that sun conjunct venus, and this entire stellium is quite a common occurrence, doesnt mean that it is any less strong. It only means that there are just that many people you can become best friends and lovers with. It means love really is all around us. I usually find, though, that good synastry has to be there and there a cant be a lot of squares to this stellium in the composite or else it really is practically as of the stellium wasnt there at all, since, I guess, there are so many other things that block it. So though the stellium is not very rare, i think it's rare to find someone u have good synastry and barely any squares to the stellium in the composite with, because it's been kibd of hard for me to find.

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Actually,

Davison charts show more of how of couple 'acts' together and the energy that manifests..

My boyfriend and I, have Davison Venus in Taurus trine Mars in Capricorn under one orb.. Since these are both dignified placements... the love energy is extremely exceptional...

In the Composite... It's Sun in Libra opposition Venus in Aries.. Small orb.

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me and my hubby have sun, moon and jupiter in a stellium in tight opposition to venus and mercury.

neener neener neeeeeener! lol

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