posted January 13, 2013 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Has this been examined within the context of friendships as well? I believe I have this with one of my male friends.

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Yes, it works in friendships as well. It is very beautiful actually.

posted January 13, 2013 01:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Hikoro,

There is no "wise choice", when it comes to matters of the heart.

I donīt say you should make your choice based on primal instincts. But it is worth noting them at least.
Also you need to be clear about what YOU want.

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What does "being worth it" entail for you?

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hahaha. let's just say that all of my past choices have been too much on primal instinct....and now, i think i rather be more practical about things. why not? and see how thinking with my mind more will work things out.
im not a glutton for punishment and i have little desire in clinging on inconvenient men because my insides state so, when...doing a careful analysis may reveal a better choice in the long-run. by no means im not stating that those primal instincts should not be taken into consideration...but, im trying to figure out an equilibrium here. mind and heart.

worth it? to me...i would say...whoever is more suitable...
besides, it is hard to be talking to three guys at the same time, i detest thinking im playing all three of them. i dont know why im having such a hard time making a decision. lol.

ps. i think im down to case a and c.

posted January 13, 2013 01:48 PM            

so....thread carefully, and if things work out...take your time. no rush.

posted January 13, 2013 02:00 PM            

Sorry I have been quiet. Been going thru a mini crisis about composite charts ever since Ceridwen's guess the composite thread O_o

posted January 13, 2013 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
^doesn't matter. still a love stellium.

Sorry I have been quiet. Been going thru a mini crisis about composite charts ever since Ceridwen's guess the composite thread O_o

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I am sorry about this. I really didn`t want it to have this effect.

BTW have you ever tried to trace the aspects between a composite and the natals to see who is most affected? Maybe this could add something to the overall analysis.

posted January 13, 2013 03:21 PM            

Don't worry, thank you. <3 I am fine lol. I am just rationally questioning a lot of what I've observed. I am not being emotional about it or anything at all, Libra asc here lol rational reactions, with (leo moon) dramatizing vocabulary. I'm realizing how important house placements can be, and that pluto may not actually be very good at all, which is a bit sad lol, bc i always kind of looked up to pluto lol.

posted January 13, 2013 03:52 PM            

Oh I love Pluto! Really do. (natal venus-Pluto-square talking )

I believe he is one of the main reasons for intensity we feel (BML is also a big factor).

But you know, every coin has two sides. And passion and intensity can switch into manipulation and obsession. It all depends really.

As for the composite-synastry.

Just take the composite planets and first of detect close conjunctions (2 degrees are close, up to 4 probably still valid) to the natal charts.
Also consider if a natal planet is being emphasized.

example:

I havet he love stellium with a colleague of mine.

Sun 17 Cap
Venus 18 Cap
Mercury 23 Cap

It definitely expresses itself. I was quite suprised how nice he is to me; it is almost like I can do no wrong, or almost no wrong, when he is quite critical of everyone else. He is very attentive towards me, but just in a nice friendly, non romantic way.
There is some sympathy there.

Since that stellium falls into my 2nd house, I feel appreciated and valued. Yes I do. lol

However, this stellium highlights different things in our charts. Well, it is not that great an example as there are no conjunctions to natal planets.

But my Saturn in the 8th house is opposite that composite stellium. Put bluntly I notice the good things coming with that stellium, but I reject them, or at least am not overly enthusiastic about them.

This is made even worse by the composite Saturn being opposite my Venus.

Even worse there is nothing in that composite that is conjunct or opposite my personal planets, especially Moon, Venus, ruler of DESC (Moon rules 8th, and Venus rules 5th house).

It is nice to have such a good connection to a colleague, but the connection itself does not mean that much to me. (Don`t get me started on the guy though, where in the composite the Sun is conjunct my DESC-ruler and the Mon is conjunct mySun/Moon-mp and Antivertex!)

From his side, the lovestellium is widely trine his Mars (3-4 degrees). It is not very strong, but probably he feels kinda affirmed in his masculinity.

However the stellium is ALOS square his Moon-Chiron-conjunction. Something about that generated affection and sympathy might be painful for him. Since my Saturn is opposite the love stellium in the composite, it of course means that my Saturn squares his Moon-Chiron-conjunction. It is almost like the very existence of the sympathy that is there, definitely, becomes an issue for us, with me being the one doing the withdrawing and rejecting (he is married with children for God`s sake! What does he expect?)
Well, I don`t think he would be remotely interested in me romantically, married or not, but it is not deniable that he is very attentive towards me, and that I am mostly bewildered by this.

I really think if a composite does not trigger your Moon, Venus or relationship house rulers, the relationship probably will not mean that much to you on a romantic or loving basis.

it often explains onesided feelings as well.

If our composite ASC or Sun or Moon or whatever is conjunct my Moon, VEnus and 8th house ruler, but totally misses your placements, I might feel like I really need the relationship to feel fulfilled, but you couldnīt care less about it. If there are good aspects in it, they will still express themselves. The affections, the sex, the sharing of ideas will be there, it will just not mean that much to you.

posted January 13, 2013 05:11 PM            

I was specifically curious as to how I could compare composites with natals though. what is the step by step process I need to do on astro.com?

posted January 13, 2013 05:37 PM            

I open astro.com twice in two windows.
In the left window I open the composite. In the right window I open first one, then the other natal, and compare.

Theoretically you could also make a composite and use the transit option for composite, and pick the birthdata for transits. However, this will give you the wrong angles and Moon, so I prefer to take the first route.

posted January 14, 2013 08:47 AM            

- Composite declinations
- Composite solstice points
- Comparison natal decl. to composite decl.
- Comparison solstice natal to composite

pfft, crrrazy!

Wel, an example;

I was looking at our solstice comparison natal to composite.
And WT.. ??

His natal ASC EXACT solstice Composite IC
His natal IC EXACT solstice Composite ASC

Hell of DW! Coincidence?? Just a bloody stupid coincidence?

.. Ok, ..

step by step, let's keep our head clear.

posted January 14, 2013 12:45 PM            

of course the Sun/Mercury/Venus-conjunction still holds!

Personally I think there are other options, too, though. Moon/Venus being one, but with the caveat, that Moon/Venus can be much more internalized and the love might not be expressed as demonstratively as with Sun/Venus.
It is also a VERY soft combo; Sun and Venus combines a masculine and a feminine symbol, which is maybe for romantic relationships "better", as Moon and Venus can be too soft together. Other than being too passive maybe it is a very tender and affectionate aspect though.

I put a lot of stock at the houserulers. So I ALWAYS look what the rulers of 5th, 7th and 8th house are doing, especially in relation to the ruler of 1st, 4th, 10th and also 2nd house.

If it works in synastry I see no reason why it should not work in composite.

AS for Aqua. LOL
You know the funny thing is my Mum is a Scorpio with Uranus in 1st house, and my Dad is an Aquarius with Moon in Taurus in 8th house.
Their Suns are even square, so I have grown up with the mix of my Scorpio-Mum and my Aquarius Dad with Taurus-Moon.
Also many relatives of my Dad are Scorpios (or Aquarius), while many relatives on my mumS side are Aquarius (or Scorpio).

I myself have an Aqua-Moon in 2nd house, with the dispositor Uranus in Scorpio on the cusp of 11th house.
I AM a walking and talking mix up of Uranus and Pluto energy (with more than a bit of Jupiter and Neptune thrown in for good measure. LOL)

While I am not too fond of Taurus people (unless its their Venus in Taurus or even Mars - that one I love), I have never had a problem with Scorpios. especially lunar Scorpios at the beginning of the sign. They usually have a problem with me though; I guess they do not really like my Uranus on their Moon.

HOnestly spoken though in synastry I would gladly take any square aspects between sexual planets over no aspect or even a soft one at all. I want sparks!

However squares, oppositions and quinkunxes to the very soft energies Moon and Venus, especially from Saturn, Chiron, Uranus, Neptune are rarely a very good idea. Of course they are manageable, under certain circumstances everything is. Ijust feel that especially the Moon (Esp. in a water sign or in Libra or Taurus sometimes) is too sensitive to really deal with this tension.
Tension in a sexual sense might be okay and exciting, but sometimes friction is just friction and disturbs the balance.

Squares, quinkunxes and oppositions of Saturn, Chiron, and esp. Neptune to Sun or Mars are not that great either. Harsh and painful and unrelenting in the first cases (though I have experienced the Saturn-Sun square and I donīt mind it at all; it gives a lot of dedicaton to be in it for the long haul; but it still is quite a judgemental combo) and downright confusing and nebulous in the case of Neptune.
Add Neptune square Mercury to that. Even the conjunction is confusing, but has its srong sides as well.

posted January 14, 2013 01:21 PM            

thanks for the tips about what to look for.

mm...judging about what you've written.
that synastry and case c doesnt sound like a good option then.
he is such a goofball, bright and funny...

posted January 14, 2013 01:36 PM            

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it is funny about aqua, i dont know what it is but, i tend to dress in an eccentric manner like some aquas do, i tend to be the typical progressive-revolution-rebel(like some aquas),

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Most aquas I know don't actually dress that way. Air signs are concerned with giving us pretty things a lot of the time, Making us fair, balanced, harmonious...graceful, just, equal...to me that's air. The air you breath..it's refreshing, and fun, and pretty, but in a hip or trendy way. That's the most human element.

The aquas I know dress with their own flair, but it is more stylish. sure it has a definite unique tinge in it...none of the air signs follow the crowd. They are creating their own trends!! as are all air signs.
Sure their style is unique, but its CLASSY and very pleasing to the eye, rather than rebellious and grungy or punkish. If anything, gemini is probably more rebellious in the way they dress than aqua. yet still classy, if that makes any sense at all.
Think angelina jolie or the olsen twins. Rebellious fashions, but still pleasing to the eye, and still definitely fashion forward.

If you feel like a rebel on the inside, maybe you just have a lot of uranus aspects, or maybe you just have an aquarius north node

posted January 14, 2013 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:

Most aquas I know don't actually dress that way. Air signs are concerned with giving us pretty things a lot of the time, Making us fair, balanced, harmonious...graceful, just, equal...to me that's air. The air you breath..it's refreshing, and fun, and pretty, but in a hip or trendy way. That's the most human element.

The aquas I know dress with their own flair, but it is more stylish. sure it has a definite unique tinge in it...none of the air signs follow the crowd. They are creating their own trends!! as are all air signs.
Sure their style is unique, but its CLASSY and very pleasing to the eye, rather than rebellious and grungy or punkish. If anything, gemini is probably more rebellious in the way they dress than aqua. yet still classy, if that makes any sense at all.
Think angelina jolie or the olsen twins. Rebellious fashions, but still pleasing to the eye, and still definitely fashion forward.

If you feel like a rebel on the inside, maybe you just have a lot of uranus aspects, or maybe you just have an aquarius north node

But i wouldnt say dressing rebellious is so much the sign aqua, as it is the PLANET uranus.

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I totally agree with that!

posted January 14, 2013 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
[B]
he is such a goofball, bright and funny...

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sounds great to me!

posted January 14, 2013 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:

But i wouldnt say dressing rebellious is so much the sign aqua, as it is the PLANET uranus.

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i didnt say anything about dressing in a rebellious manner, i mentioned eccentricities, as in, dressing in an edgy way...that makes other folks take notice. it is within the parameters of looking classy, but...not posh either.
when i refer to rebel...i mean, as in..the aquas around me are very progressive-oriented, very much into defending or fighting for a cause, not the dress code.
yes, i can see how uranus can play a role.

ps. about uranus playing a role...
does that explain the reason that one can find aqua folks who are the complete opposite of being progressive? like, this aqua fellow i know, who happens to be 7th day adventist, he is really extreme with his worldview, very fixed, and he has such great conviction...it reminds me of a passionate scorpio.

posted January 14, 2013 03:22 PM            

i wonder if the reason aquas seem more approachable for water signs is because of this theory that this astrologer told me, about how all of the signs have more than one element.
i think he mentioned that aqua was air and water...
scorpio was water and fire...
and i dont remember what else. has anyone heard of this?

posted January 14, 2013 03:51 PM            

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ps. about uranus playing a role...
does that explain the reason that one can find aqua folks who are the complete opposite of being progressive? like, this aqua fellow i know, who happens to be 7th day adventist, he is really extreme with his worldview, very fixed, and he has such great conviction...it reminds me of a passionate scorpio.

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yeah exactly. most aquas i know are not even progressive. they're very fixed and stubborn about their opinions, which are even most times pretty conservative ones. I just feel like they want to change the world, whether that is with conservative or progressive ideas...they want to change every individual they meet and have an ideal in their heads of how people should behave.