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Topic: Sadism In the Chart
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Lonake
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posted September 05, 2011 03:05 PM
  
I haven't seen this for myself but I have read (don't remember where) that the Virgo/Pisces axis has strong correlation to the practice of Sadism/Masochism.You'd be surprised what people do or desire who you *think* you know 
And their fantasies would shock the *hit out of you. I don't find sadism strange at all, or masochism. For the record 
If it goes to the point of killing/maiming/not stopping when the person wants it to [code word] then that's something diff. IP: Logged |
Adriana
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posted September 05, 2011 03:17 PM
My ex has Venus Mars conjunction in Virgo, he doesn't have a sadistic bone in his body even though he has Moon, Sun, Asc, Mercury and Saturn in Scorpio lol.
But I've seen other scorps that are a bit sadistic, and usually it involves Gemini or Aquarius in some ways, too.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 05, 2011 03:21 PM
It does make sense in theory, Virgo the servant, Pisces the martyr.
Hard to tell anything conclusively without a lot of charts with correct tob to research.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 05, 2011 03:22 PM
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DayandNight21
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posted September 05, 2011 03:31 PM
Chiron in harsh aspect to both sun and moon. That is a wounded person. Read recently that to beware of a wounded person as that can make them twisted etc. Looks like he had parental hurt inflicted on him and he took it out on intimates. Classic.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted September 05, 2011 05:31 PM
Now when I think of it,most of my examples for temper and violence have Mars sq Uranus. The daughter has Uranus rising.
Others include Pluto rising,H8 Mars,Water Mars,Cancer Stellium(Mars as prominent),Saturn in hard aspects;
As for VenusSqMars,they really carry sth provocative-but when sb ill detects that... When these two in hard aspects,it is the boundaries that r the issue. Also,love identity- one can spent most of their youth searching,experimenting,but love remains dry land for them,sore spot; IP: Logged |
Nightingale
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posted September 05, 2011 05:44 PM
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My ex has Venus Mars conjunction in Virgo, he doesn't have a sadistic bone in his body
Mars Venus contacts can play out in many different ways according to the soul, the choices, and the rest of the character. The same applies to most aspects.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 05, 2011 06:04 PM
What about Chiron in harsh aspect to Saturn?------------------
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britterfly
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posted September 05, 2011 08:15 PM
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Can you describe more? Do you have Venus conj Mars in the natal? How do you feel it?
Yes I have mars and venus conjunct in Aries, with orb of 1 degree. I don't know how other people feel in their life experience and how that differs from mine, but with that in consideration, I feel very masculine and feminine. I can be tough, so much so that I literally feel like a testosterone-filled dude, and also I am often the most fluttery, girly thing you ever did see. lol As far as the venus and mars conjunct this guy's south node, I feel very certain we were lovers in a past life. It's a very strong, unmistakable vibe. I am sure he feels it too. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 05, 2011 09:58 PM
My Venus was conjunct someone's SN,exact.It was powerful.I can't describe how much. I am crying,now, thinking of it.
I don;t believe in past lives,but it is something profound.
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britterfly
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posted September 06, 2011 09:15 AM
it is a mystery indeed. no one can really know what it means, but just that it brings about some very intense energy. did you talk to him about it? did he feel your venus on his SN?IP: Logged |
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posted September 06, 2011 10:01 AM
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.... Moon square sun..... he hated women.
Sun Square Moon 
http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/sun-square-moon.html Yet you can often act as your own worst enemy, reacting in ways that diminish any likelihood of success. You may fail to see how you can utilise existing resources to deepen life enjoyment or reach aims; you may refuse to make necessary compromises; you may consciously devalue your potential and abilities, eroding away self-confidence; you may clash with others who could have been supportive to your efforts. These unconscious patterns of unresolved frustrations interfere between your conscious will and deeper needs, tending to negate satisfaction for either. Sometimes, as a result of this inner stress, all you feel like doing is being very destructive, liberating the repressed energies by either verbal or physical expressions of bad temper.
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Ami Anne
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posted September 06, 2011 10:12 AM
Britterfly
I think he did,yes.------------------
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KarkaQueen
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posted May 23, 2014 03:30 AM
[Finally, I found a way to post on here on my 3ds. No more unanswered threads  ]Thomas Thistlewood and William Byrd II are also good examples of sexual sadism. I will see if I could find someone to post their charts. Thomas Thistlewood
March 16 1721
Tupholme, Lincolnshire UK
William Byrd II
March 28 1674
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KarkaQueen
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posted May 23, 2014 03:48 AM
On the subject of deSade, his Vénus is rather content at the heartful embrace of Cancer! This makes his sensuality pronounced and very supple. In the 9th house his philosophy on romance is that it should always be involved with intimacy and security, regardless of who it is. His Mars is domicile at Aries so his passions are ardent and conspicuous, which square his Vénus often meaning what he finds sensually appealing and beauty fails to match his sexuality and passions. The tensions of the very female Cancer and the very male Aries make for a interest in both sexes, though mostly conflicting and rarely equal-sided; the user has troubles seeing traditional male and female energies and have problem associating it with its appropriate role.
Moon square Sun is again.. the very female and very male conflicting each other.. His male and female planets are peregrine in aspects! He must of felt very divorced from 18th century society, especially regarding sex and gender roles. He wouldn't have mind a woman to be bawdy like a man, or a man as meek and docile as a lady could be. His parents were in opposite roles too. There are a lot of sexual frustrations here. :-DIP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 23, 2014 08:24 AM
Bump------------------
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pocaloca
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posted May 23, 2014 09:00 AM
Saturn square Mars .
Marque de Sade had it as well.
Btw, I always check that as first when I meet someone new cos If I find that aspect I know for sure that the person would be sadistic in one way or another depending on placement and dignity, strength of those two. IP: Logged |
AlexDern
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posted May 23, 2014 09:39 AM
never mind..IP: Logged |
Enneline
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posted May 23, 2014 10:17 AM
I have sun square moon and mars square Saturn and I don't think I am too sadistic  Sade spent much of his childhood in this man's household http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Count_of_Charolais The noble House Bourbon-Condé was notorious for his insanity. Many members were said to have been insane.
Sade's foster father was said to have been extremely sadistic, he loved his women bleeding. Once a woman falled from a roof and he got an erection...  Whatever aspects Sade had: I suppose the years with Condè were formative. IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted May 23, 2014 10:29 AM
Mars square Saturnor mars/venus square saturn IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 23, 2014 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by pocaloca:
Saturn square Mars .
Marque de Sade had it as well.
Btw, I always check that as first when I meet someone new cos If I find that aspect I know for sure that the person would be sadistic in one way or another depending on placement and dignity, strength of those two.
Thanks for this. I would think Pluto sq Mars would be worse. What do you think?------------------
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KarkaQueen
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posted May 23, 2014 01:25 PM
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I have sun square moon and mars square Saturn and I don't think I am too sadistic Sade spent much of his childhood in this man's household http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Count_of_Charolais The noble House Bourbon-Condé was notorious for his insanity. Many members were said to have been insane.
Sade's foster father was said to have been extremely sadistic, he loved his women bleeding. Once a woman falled from a roof and he got an erection... Whatever aspects Sade had: I suppose the years with Condè were formative.
That's really disturbing.  IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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posted May 23, 2014 01:30 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pocaloca:
[b]Saturn square Mars .
Marque de Sade had it as well.
Btw, I always check that as first when I meet someone new cos If I find that aspect I know for sure that the person would be sadistic in one way or another depending on placement and dignity, strength of those two.
Thanks for this. I would think Pluto sq Mars would be worse. What do you think?[/B][/QUOTE] If a woman's chart is afflicted with the dangerous Mars square Pluto, she is the victim of sexual abuse through her relationships with men, this deadly combo is often doubled by Neptune sq Venus/Mars which makes her prone to males trying to take advantage of her and not seeing her boundaries (also a bad aspect for date rape and drug abuse) I can't remember Mars square Pluto in a males chart. I'd have to see my charts again.
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pocaloca
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posted May 23, 2014 02:02 PM
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I would think Pluto sq Mars would be worse. What do you think?
No, I think Pluto square Mars is more connected to deep feelings, passion, possesiviness blabla..Mars square Saturn is colder, less empatic, and that makes it , him, her, in my opinion, more dangerous ( coldblooded killer, torturer ) IP: Logged |
Enneline
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posted May 23, 2014 02:16 PM
but what about venus square Pluto? I personally think (hard) aspects from 8th to 12 th house could be dangerous if planets like mars and Pluto are involved IP: Logged |
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