posted November 16, 2011 10:48 PM            

I'm kinda lost on this topic. I dunno what's being discussed here, D:

posted November 16, 2011 10:49 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:

I'm kinda lost on this topic. I dunno what's being discussed here, D:

(Well I do, but I guess I dunno how to apply it)

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posted November 17, 2011 01:46 AM            

assuming you're all familiar with at least saturn; how would anything dealing with beauty and it's relationship to saturn exactly work out? other than saturn being the one that did the deed before tossing uranus' genitals to the sea, i don't recall him ever having any relationship to venus/aphrodite in any way, shape or form..

aphrodite/venus was told to marry hephaestus, son of hera (whom she threw off a cliff because he was so ugly- daughter of cronus and rhea) because zeus was scared people would go nuts once they saw aphrodite because she was so beautiful; they married and she had kids but none of them were his.. in other words, not even saturn's lineage really mixes with venus in the least!

seeing as how beauty (venus; aphrodite) was born of uranus and uranus doesn't exactly have the best relationship with saturn.. yeah, ok, i can take a hint.

soooooooooooooo, it leads me to look for the children that venus/aphrodite DID give birth to since those would probably be listed as asteroids and i would much more comfortably and quickly consider those (and urge whomever is looking into asteroids) as the asteroids that would have anything to do with beauty..

her 'immortal' kids, would be safe to be considered eternal:

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"ANTEROS The god of reciprocal (or some say, unrequited) love was a son of Ares and Aphrodite.
BEROE The goddess of the city of Beroe (in Lebanon, Asia Minor) was a daughter of Adonis and Aphrodite. She wed the god Poseidon.
DEIMOS The god of fear was a son of Ares and Aphrodite.
EROS The winged boy god of love was a son of Aphrodite and her constant companion. (Some say the father was Ares, others that she was born pregnant with the child).
EROTES, THE The winged godlings of love were sons of Aphrodite.
HARMONIA The goddess of harmony (marital and civic) was a daughter of Ares and Aphrodite, born of their adulterous union. She was married to the mortal Kadmos, founding King of Thebes.
HERMAPHRODITOS The Hermaphroditic godling was a son of Hermes and Aphrodite. His form was merged with that of the Naiad Salmakis to form a creature that was half male and half female.
HIMEROS The god of desire, twin brother of Eros, was a son of Aphrodite. The goddess may have been born pregnant with the pair, giving birth to them as she grew from the sea-foam.
IAKKHOS A god of the Eleusinian Mysteries, often called the Eleusinian Dionysos or Hermes was, according to the Orphic Hymns, a son of Dionysos and Aphrodite.
PEITHO The goddess of persuasion and seduction was sometimes said to be a daughter of Aphrodite. (She was usually, however, described as an Okeanis daughter of Okeanos and Tethys).
PHOBOS The god of panic was a son of Ares and Aphrodite.
POTHOS The god of sexual longing was a son of Aphrodite. He was one of the Erotes.
PRIAPOS The god of garden fertility was a son of Aphrodite by Dionysos, Zeus or Adonis.
RHODOS (aka RHODE) The goddess of the island of Rhodes and wife of Helios was a daughter of Aphrodite and Poseidon."

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and what i accredit to helping me find this, is none other than LILITH!!!!!!!!

posted November 17, 2011 01:59 AM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:

other than saturn being the one that did the deed before tossing uranus' genitals to the sea, i don't recall him ever having any relationship to venus/aphrodite in any way, shape or form..

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Didn't Aphrodite come into being as a result of Uranus's godly-bits being tossed in the ocean?

If she was created from an act between the two of them, wouldn't Kronos and Uranus technically be her progenitors? Awww Aphrodite has two dads awesome!

posted November 17, 2011 02:29 AM            

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Until now astrologers have paid little attention to Priapus and there is very little research on the subject. According to the astrologer Bibiana Maria Wachter, this point functions as a valve which can help to release the pent- up energy of the Lilith point. If Lilith symbolises the challenge of learning to live with the power of the feminine, Priapus could be seen as indicating where a negative reaction to this could lead to the rise of patriarchal power structures. This is true for both women and men.

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posted November 17, 2011 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Didn't Aphrodite come into being as a result of Uranus's godly-bits being tossed in the ocean?

If she was created from an act between the two of them, wouldn't Kronos and Uranus technically be her progenitors? Awww Aphrodite has two dads awesome!

No wonder she's so great at applying makeup.

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posted November 17, 2011 02:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
In all seriousness though, Cronus emasculated Uranus because he was horrible to Gaia (and cause Gaia gave him a shiny new scythe and asked him nicely). Uranus descend on her nightly and mated with her, but when their union resulted in horrible creatures, he shoved them back inside her and locked them away (which caused Gaia great pain... as it would). This story teaches about how Ideals (Uranus) are wonderful until they meet with physical reality (Gaia). By the time ideals are actuated, they rarely resemble everything we planned for them to be. Saturn restricts us from expecting our ideals to exist in the physical world, by making us work for our beliefs. What is born from working to actuate our ideals? Appreciation, value, adoration, and quality (Venus).

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posted November 17, 2011 02:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
In all seriousness though, Cronus emasculated Uranus because he was horrible to Gaia (and cause Gaia gave him a shiny new scythe and asked him nicely). Uranus descend on her nightly and mated with her, but when their union resulted in horrible creatures, he shoved them back inside her and locked them away (which caused Gaia great pain... as it would). This story teaches about how Ideals (Uranus) are wonderful until they meet with physical reality (Gaia). By the time ideals are actuated, they rarely resemble everything we planned for them to be. Saturn restricts us from expecting our ideals to exist in the physical world, by making us work for our beliefs. What is born from working to actuate our ideals? Appreciation, value, adoration, and quality (Venus).

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i like how you came up with that.

wasn't til you brought up the kids (titans) that i remembered saturn used to eat his; i'd assume that when looked at it in that way, saturn also has some kind of trauma, guilt and a great fear of karma.

uranus, had a hell of a lot of kids!!!!! gaia, would i guess be the one that ended up giving birth and not long after, was pregnant again by uranus...

posted November 17, 2011 02:39 AM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
i like how you came up with that.

wasn't til you brought up the kids (titans) that i remembered saturn used to eat his; i'd assume that when looked at it in that way, saturn also has some kind of trauma, guilt and a great fear of karma.

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posted November 17, 2011 03:50 AM            

it's worth noting that the roman soldiers were pretty much only fed corn; they would actually feel as if they were being punished if they did not eat 'corn' aka wheat, etc..

saturn is said to rule corn (relation: capricorn?)

wasn't til towards the end of the roman empire that their food had to be substituted with other things that they didn't really take kind to.

--but then gaia had jupiter and hid him from saturn and fed him a tablet to eat instead of his kid...

once zeus/jupiter got older, he went to fight his father, fed him something, causing him to throw up his siblings amongst them was neptune and some others along with Pluto, mind you.. and they all defeated him and sent him deeeeeeep into the underworld along with everyone else who helped him and even some titans minus i think atlas who was then somewhat 'punished' by given the duty of having to hold up the world.

well, before any of that took place, what saturn probably hadn't noticed was that out of the blood that dripped from the severed phallus, were born the 'three furies' *take the representation as you wish* and they were referred to as being 'nice' by people because they were so scared of them.. the 'nice ones' was a name given to them by their first victim, 'orestes'.

nothing would move the women as they were only concerned with justice and justice only.. they cried tears of blood.

Nemesis balanced the book's of justice and justice was carried out by none other than, the three ladies (the ladies were considered to be 3 but weren't always numbered); we have their names:

Erinyes-

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Tisiphone - "avenging murder")
Megaera - "the jealous one")
Alecto - "the implacable or unceasing anger")

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though i'm not sure if any new planets are being considered to be named after them (those 'dwarf' ones), i believe the only planets named(though some are yet to be classified) are:

Makemake
Eris
Haumea
Sedna
Quaoar
Orcus
2007 OR10-(yet to be officially named)

i mention this because it's relevant and also because i read something the other day written by Nostradamus:

"All should leave Geneva. Saturn turns from gold to iron, The contrary positive ray (RAYPOZ) will exterminate everything, There will be signs in the sky before this."

i'm under the impression that the 'contrary positive ray' would be uranus and he's taking about the current saturn/uranus aspects playing out once they meet again during their transit through aries and libra; keeping in mind the story of how from the blood of uranus' genitals were born the three furies, i thought about it some more..

posted November 17, 2011 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
...Thing is, you can get farther with a good brain than you can with good looks so I don't really feel cheated in the slightest.

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But having good looks is always a nice little boost, ;D

posted November 17, 2011 04:10 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
But having good looks is always a nice little boost, ;D

Just curious though...do you, as objectively as possible, find yourself attractive? Just to see if this asteroid talk works - with you, that is. 030

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Honestly? No.

I've been told the same also at various points throughout my life.

posted November 17, 2011 04:11 AM            

I have Aphrodite in Capricorn in 2nd house conjunct Sun and sextile ASC.

posted November 17, 2011 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Then again, Cleopatra wasn't exactly a looker, either.

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posted November 17, 2011 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
And she took down entire empires!

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Yeah, she pretty much dominated most of the free world at one point.

posted November 17, 2011 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
..since guys just think I'm hot because my excess weight distributes itself in the right places [/B]

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This is so true loooool. The (very) few times I have been referred to as attractive it was from guys, for those reasons.

At the same time, women do that type of thing too. I'm always confused when a woman who is genuinely unremarkable or even unattractive, is held up as an ideal of beauty by other women...but then women who are truly attractive, are usually dismissed by other woman as being ugly?

The example of this that immediately came to mind for me, is Angelina Jolie. This is a woman that, to me anyway, is clearly beautiful - blatantly, appallingly so, but the vast majority of women I've seen, think she's unattractive or start pointing out features she has that they think are hideous - they go looking for flaws. But for some odd reason, most women seem to think Kate Hudson and Gwyneth Paltrow, are beautiful? *blank stare* Or someone like Jessica Alba, who is just *cute* to me, but women think she's ravishing. I've always thought that straight women, don't have very good taste in women lol.

So really I think both genders have a warped idea of what physical beauty is. But I feel like at least guys are closer to the mark, because what they consider beautiful is usually whatever they find physically arousing - and really, that's the whole point of physical attractiveness anyway, to lead to mating and the continuation of the species.

posted November 17, 2011 09:53 AM            

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Am I making any sense here? lmao

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You're making a lot of sense to me.
I also consider Angelina Jolie an all-time beauty. It's the symmetry on her face that I love not so much her skinny body. Even without makeup her beauty is showing. And yet I had women friends comment on how hideous her lips are lol when to me it's the most sexy element on her face afetr her green eyes. I think it comes down to jealousy. I appreciate beauty a lot (Aqua rising and Uranus in Libra here with other corroborating aspects as well) so I don't mind acknowledging it when I see it.

And yeah I don't consider Paltrow beautiful; she's very charming and talented but please she's barely cute! She is a bright star literally and I love her acting, I'm a huge fan but no she's not a beauty by any means.
Of course photos will flatter her because 1) she has an arm of beauticians and dressers telling her how to dress and doing her makeup and 2) as a hugely talented actress, she knows how to work the camera. But natural beauty, she is not.

I agree that in the end, it's in the eye of the beholder. Everyone comes to beauty appreciation with some prior preferences dictated either from the species or from society. Very few have an elaborate conscious sense of what's beautiful.

posted November 17, 2011 10:21 AM            

Also, Kim Kardashian, before she did whatever she did to her face, was just so freakin’ stunning. A dark, exotic natural beauty. What do women say about her? “Skank”, “S____” I mean come on! Yes her method of getting famous is questionable but, wow, she is beautiful.

With heavy Libra (Moon conjunct Pluto in Libra, packed 7th house) I like to admire beautiful people and I like to find hidden beauty even in real life and I see no need to knock anyone in real life. I also think it is important to compliment people, say the cashier has a nice haircut or your co-worker has nice eyes, because you never know how someone is feeling about themselves, you could make their day. My sister is a Taurus w/Aqua rising but she has Saturn conj Asc and her self-esteem is just so low (it is actually bringing tears to my eyes as I type that). She is beautiful(!!!) but she has no idea and I make sure I tell her all of the time. Maybe one day it will sink in...