posted November 24, 2011 12:12 PM            

I'm having fun with the truth

Is it all u have to say about my reasoning??

posted November 24, 2011 12:19 PM            

Than magnifying nonexistent offenses/threatenings just to divert the attention elsewhere lol

Just adding later - is it something more gallant to say pointless or completely void of connection?
Use them if u prefer.

posted November 24, 2011 12:55 PM            

Now at this moment I'm stopping with that coz u r female.

lol may be I've gone too far already

If there is something - I'm sorry!!

Really!

Think whatever u want about that.

posted November 24, 2011 01:02 PM            

if u r still into our discussion - another time!!

Today Merc stationary even though my favorable state is funnily quirking me.

posted November 24, 2011 02:57 PM            

Thanks.

posted November 24, 2011 03:26 PM            

How can I contact u privately?

posted November 25, 2011 02:45 AM            

Tried with "contact us" yesterday and receiving a funny error like page.

May be u r not receiving it.

I want this chapter closed already.

Thank you!

posted November 25, 2011 04:17 AM            

Wavelink's posts have become a negative advertisement for Sidereal Astrology, he has not been able to heal the egotism expressed towards others. I would love to help him out with a Tropical Analysis.

The Indian Brahmins messed up for thousands of years likewise by not focusing on the WHY for the method used by Parashara and other giants.

Ceridwen wrote:
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IQ,

I can see both zodiacs resonate with me.
In my case the sidereal gives nearly the same positions as my secondary chart (5 degrees difference I think).
Do you think this is of significance?
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Yes, it means there is a strong subconscious urge to spot karmic completions or karmic events.

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I also must say, that even more than with the sidereal positions, I can identify with the fixed stars certain planets are on. Sometimes I wonder if we underestimate the meaning of fixed stars and overemphasizing the sign-background.
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The Fixed Stars have maximum power when conjunct Sun,Moon or Ascendant. But the Sign comprises many fixed stars, so perhaps we are receiving an average of all energies.

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I am just wondering, not having arrived at a final conclusion yet.
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Like other non-confrontational readers who have commented here, I would not pay much attention to the old fashioned analysis that refer to child marriage or going to hell etc.

The reason I put up these links is to help refinement of our understanding of whole sign conjunctions and House Lords impact, something that we tend to ignore in Tropical Astrology. The analysis of Sidereal Whole Sign "Fated" Aspects will help the Tropical Astrologer fix the Mental States in overcoming the karmic debts.

I will continue to post valuable points on this thread as and when I find gems in the ancient texts. There is much to be found in Greek/Ptolemaic Texts too. This is just the beginning. There are some great astrologers who have integrated CHinese and Tropical Zodiac.
Vedic Moon Rashi Analysis and degree is what is used in computation of "Dashas" or Directions for better predictive analysis. I had written about that last year and even recommended free Junior Jytosih software to get the dashas for free.

Clever integration of all systems will be very satisfying.

posted November 25, 2011 05:55 AM            

Keywords for Sun and Mars in the Same Sign
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Basic: Battler, Fighter, Ambitious and having the Will to Win.

With an additional Moon conjunction, charming nature increases.

With Jupiter conjunction, great potential to earn big and donate like a king.

With Saturn squaring/conjunct Sun, chances of ailments increase [ from over work, too much effort to win]

With Venus squaring Sun, difficulty in relationships crops up. [Fighting?]

Keywords for Sun and Venus in the Same Sign
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Basic: Wealth, Desire, Pleasure.

Along with Moon:
Success in profession related to water/sea faring. Increased desire for sex. Soft spoken.

Along with Mars in Libra or Taurus: Bravery increases. Sexual Attraction increases.

Along with Mercury: Skillful in drawing, writing, poetry, authorship, singing etc. and will possess a good physique. [Note: I would have expected Mars to bestow a good physique to Sun conjunct Venus native]

With Jupiter: Many foes and friends alike. Beautiful Eyes [!]

With Saturn: Preference for older women, chances of being stingy/conservative.

Lots more points like this if we sift through....

Now we can combine 4 planets using these insights.

Sun + Venus + Mars + Saturn : Brave and charming man who prefers slightly older women, makes money but is not too generous.

Sun + Venus + Mars + Jupiter : Brave and ambitious man who makes a lot of money, has lots of sex, has jealous friends but is also very generous.

Sun + Venus + Mars + Jupiter + Moon:
Will not have as many enemies as the previous as charm and soft spoken factor increases.

And so on.

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posted November 25, 2011 07:01 AM            

Ohhhh I think not!

The only other potential sun signs, other than my Aquarius sun (which fits like a glove), that I can identify with are Libra (probably because of my tropical libra ascendent) and Pisces, which incidentally, is where my sun is in progressed.

Nup, sidereal isn;t working for me.
It may, however, relate to the shadow self, or hint at skills that would be beneficial to develop.
I abhor all that capricorn represents, and often such strong aversion is an indication of things that need to be looked at.

posted November 25, 2011 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I don`t think Jesus is a really good example for veryfying the one or the other, given the debate about his birthdate.

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I read somewhere that jesus was an aquarian.
I think it was down to his revolutionary actions, and supposed humanitarianism.

posted November 25, 2011 07:22 AM            

"Yes, it means there is a strong subconscious urge to spot karmic completions or karmic events."
Yes, it makes sense when you consider my interest in this as well.
Also fits very well to my Karma in Gemini in 7th house with Draco Moon in Gemini on my SN (and tropical DESC).
I guess analysing karmic relationships is somehow written into my chart.

"The Fixed Stars have maximum power when conjunct Sun,Moon or Ascendant"
I once had a reading done by an astrologer using fixed stars, and the interpretation of my Venus conjunct Kaus Borealis resonated very much with me.

". But the Sign comprises many fixed stars, so perhaps we are receiving an average of all energies."
Interesting though. Yes, I think that might be true.

" I would not pay much attention to the old fashioned analysis that refer to child marriage or going to hell etc."
Nah, I don´t do that anyway. You gotta be able to abstract the interpretations, considering the time frame they have been written in. Every interpretation is also coloured by the social, historical and cultural background of the time, it originates from.
The art is to find the "condensed truth", that transcends this background.

posted November 25, 2011 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Thing is, we'll probably never know his true birthdate, so really it's a matter of judging his actions and trying to 'match' them to a sun. Which of course could throw up any of the suns depending on who is interpreting the actions.

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That is exactly what I was thinking, too.

posted November 25, 2011 09:00 AM            

I do not know Jesus Chart but Mr Wavelink's co-relations are wrong. Jesus represents the Age of Pisces, hence the association with Pisces.

As per some Arab Records, Jesus has to be a Leo because Mary gave birth when date Palms were ready to shed the fruit. Jesus may have been a Sagittarius Ascendant, Pisces Moon and Leo Sun. The Pisces Moon empathizing with the wretched, meek and underdogs, the Sagittarius Rising enabling him to travel to India and learn from Vedic Culture, even sending his alleged children to Europe. Plus the frankness. The Leo Sun explains his ability to be the Center of Attention for over 2000 years
The other Ascendant that fits is Aquarius Ascendant with Sun in 6th Leo and probably a Sagittarius Moon.

Some Tantriks consider Jesus to be the incarnation of a powerful Vedic Rishi.

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posted November 25, 2011 01:32 PM            

This is some very good info! I am a Libra Asc either way between tropical and sidereal. I had some quick q's if you have the time. You have listed Saturn as being a positive influence for Libra Asc. I have Saturn in the 2nd house with the house ruler (Jupiter) in the 6th trine my Saturn. My Asc is 25 Lib and Saturn has been in Libra and is right around my Asc through the transit right now. How do you think this is effecting me?

posted November 25, 2011 01:58 PM            

Saturn in 2nd generally creates financial constraints. 2nd House Ruler in 6th ought to be good for earning through any kind of skilled service than own business. Since Jupiter is trine Saturn, you would be more better off than most even in a difficult economy.

Other than that, I would say Saturn will make you more self-conscious about the way you look. Libra also rules balance and justice. You may like to see more fairness in the world. And your Ascendant is conjunct Arcturus. Some highly advanced information is fated to be yours in the coming days. Seriously advanced information, like evidence of ETs or Atlantis.

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posted November 29, 2011 04:13 PM            

How come having NN in Taurus and SN in Scorpio makes a lot more sense to me than having NN in gemini and SN in sag??

This is what is making me lean towards sidereal more than tropical, the northnodes.

Yes the rest of the chart makes sense in sidereal as well but I could also argue that it makes sense in tropical too so the northnodes is what is making me lean towards sidereal.

Is there a reason for this??

posted November 29, 2011 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I don`t think Jesus is a really good example for veryfying the one or the other, given the debate about his birthdate.

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