posted December 06, 2011 01:29 AM              

It would be best to see an analysis of the chart of sure shot twinflames, to see the astrology at work.

But then who can ever determine a "sure shot twinflame"?

I guess we all have our opinions as to who are twinflames, but can we really know that is it not "just" soulmates?

Also, just because something has been written down in a book, doesn`t make it true; and just because something has been uttered on a forum, doesn`t make it untrue.

The medium does not determine the quality of content.

posted December 06, 2011 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Fire Wire.. I guess you are correct. But.. I think astrology can show anything since the energy is going to play out a certain way no matter what the level of energy. And the planets always govern the energy manifested at this time.

So Twin Flames will never fight or argue?

And how will you know? By reaching a new level of consciousness?

And, how can you complete all karma before meeting your twin and still be a physical being on Earth? That is impossible.. as long as you are alive, you are subject to karma. So I think it's more accurate to say they clear any negative karma together after they meet.

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Actually it's the opposite - twin soul experiences are usually pretty difficult and they don't always last and a lot of times they end up even hating one another.

And I actually don't think karma in general, whether good or bad, has anything to do with it at all. I don't necessarily buy that it has anything to do with being particularly evolved either or any other form of judgment people might put on it.

posted December 06, 2011 03:16 AM            

I had a friend of 2 years online.. we played video game with....and we started to play.. together again...... and then it hit us...
Again.... i was feeling something out of this world.....it was crazy...... and i could not understand.... anything....
2 years have passed...... we are together still.....during this time.... we had an amazing... unforgettable times, when i meet him in real life, for the 1st time, all of my previous loves....could not even feel close to what i felt for him......
anyway back to astrology....
our Asc square 2 degrees, i have a T square of Moon opposition Jupiter both square Neptune, and he has T square Moon Opposition Sun both Square Neptune......
these both T squares over lay each other
our Moons conjunct 3 degrees.....
then....we have Mercuries Conjunct
then My chiron conjunct his Venus
and His chiron Conjunct my Sun,
His Venus also Opposition to my Uranus and
My Sun opposition his Uranus,
it is long distance ...... huge distance,
but for the last year i been with him
10 month out of the year now.... we are planning.. My Saturn is conjunct his DC
His Saturn squares my Venus
both our Dc rulers are Mercuries.
His Asc ruler is Jupiter and it trines My Moon and Sextle My Jupiter and Squares My Pluto exact orb.... My Asc ruler is Neptune
and it is squares Both his Sun and Moon tide orb.
I mean this synastry is the most craziest
i have experienced .....
and it is how it is in the charts....
super shaky...
In the beginning was super unbelievable....
and we both saw dreams and fears that we felt to loose each other.... and Jealousy we
encountered from the others... mostly his family side..... but it was all for the betterment ........ emotional pains......
i had never experienced......
Anyway after all that.....i can say.....
it does not matter anymore.......
for me.....twin flame or not.....
it is mad crazy... and i can only do this once.....so i guess ill love him for the rest of my life ...
But..... who knows if we will be at the end
together.....
Another thing...... i have a friend
and 6 years ago ..... same thing happened to her..... she was in her worst state, when out of the blue..... came this prince...
But the things they had to go through
and what.... and how...... oh wow....
can only take this once per life time...
btw..... their synastry is not super duper
wow.... they do got most sexual aspects they need, and Moons are in compatible sings
I don't know their birth times though
but her Sun ruler and his Sun ruler for both is Mercury, her Mercury is conjunct his Pluto.....
Their Suns square tide orb too

posted December 06, 2011 03:22 AM            

There are aspects for Spiritual Transformation, Telepathy, love, lust, serving one another and even luck.

However, the core astrological features I have seen in Twin Flame Couples are missing.

Too much negative Karmic Debts to be paid, which is why the 12th is packed and his 7th is not having any of her planets.

9th Houses are blessed, very auspicious.
Her 5th is bereft of his planets and her 7th has his Jupiter.
Clearly, the focus is on mutual spiritual growth and settling plenty of karmic debts.

Another clue is that both natives are yet to have completed their Saturn Return.

This a Karmic Soul Mate Relationship with sufficient Love Aspects for happy life together.

And this can be the pivotal relationship that can help them both find their Twin Flame later on in life or the next incarnation. Only when negative karmic debts [in relationship matters] to other Souls are paid off that we can meet the Twin Flame. This can be done through unconditional forgiveness, attaining a state of non emotional reaction etc.

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posted December 06, 2011 03:26 AM            

love it

posted December 06, 2011 04:55 AM              

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Originally posted by iQ:

However, the core astrological features I have seen in Twin Flame Couples are missing.

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Can you elaborate on what the core astrological features would be?

posted December 06, 2011 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

I'm speaking from personal experience on this a bit actually, because I do believe I definitely have crossed paths with my twin soul and I have absolutely no doubts about that in my mind. And it was kind of an immediate, instant thing - I laid eyes on him for the first time as a (very young) child and right away I had a strong reaction to him and felt a really strong pull towards him and that continued, literally for decades. And no one coached me into it or anything, it was just something very natural and instant and innate. I think on some level I knew. I could barely read, I really was just a kid - 3 or 4 years old - and I knew.

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This, I understand 100% BelligerentPygmy! I think that is where it is at. If one wants to look for correlations, there is nothing wrong with that, I'm not criticisng the search at all! Stated that explicitly. But, as soon as I'd have that feeling 'like geesh, wow, bam, ohhhh sh*t' it would eclipse the world for me. I'd go for that, but that is just me. Everything, I've said with reference to my own perspective.

To any/all and generally speaking: I am definitely not saying it can be done, I've never said that. I've never suggested that, I sincerely wanted to know why it mattered from the perspective of the heart in connection with the mind: twin flam vs. soul mate vs. karmic mate, to anyone in terms of how they 'function' or 'value' their relationship. Whether it is to know how one should/approach/value a relationship, or whether it is intellectually inquiry...etc, does it impact those things. I'm not saying it is treating a relationship as a case study, I just wanted to know why anyone would look for the differences, just to get perspective. But I understand, mercury is in retrograde!

I know a few others, who have read my responses understand why I've said what I've said (I believe athenagoddess understands as well). It was all said with sincerity, not skepticism. Has nothing to do with astrological skepticism, as you will soon see...

My remarks have nothing to do with my criticising the 'astrologically-minded' (to quote you, Lonake, lol) or I wouldn't be here! It isn't about my thinking it is far-fetched or one being unable to find the correlations. But for anyone who has found value in what I've said and didn't take it as an attack on astrological-mindedness, you understand what I'm saying has came from my heart, that is all that matters to me.

Love what you've found, cherish for whatever it may be. Find the correlations and stimulate your intellectual and spiritual curiosity...etc, but find the sacred and spiritual growth in whatever it is you have, cherish that. Open your heart, one of the things karma is about. Twin flame, triple flame, bonfire (I've been studying 'twin flames' for YEARS now, just not from an astrological standpoint--not ashamed of admitting that), just love. You can't ask for more than that.

Open your heart, mind, soul, evolve and just love!

And athenagoddess (I am perhaps one of the few who have not commented on what your relationship is), I wish you the best and hope this relationship is most fulfilling for you and helps you along your path! Wonderful discussion folks, lets keep it up!

posted December 06, 2011 06:38 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

At this point I just think it's purely a matter of luck whether or not you find your way to one another. Or a matter of being unlucky, depending on how you feel after the whole experience is over LMAO.

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LOL! 10pts!

posted December 06, 2011 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
My remarks have nothing to do with my criticising the 'astrologically-minded' (to quote you, Lonake

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posted December 06, 2011 07:15 AM            

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Originally posted by iQ:

One can never forget a Twin Flame.

There will be Telepathy. There will be appearances in dreams. There will be amazing serendipitous experiences [just see the movie Serendipity].

There will be Multi Dimensional Awakening after meeting a Twin Flame.

Chakras will spin faster and stronger.

Animal Lust will slowly cease.

Silent Gazing of the Eyes will communicate volumes.

In certain times, even the others heartbeat will be felt from a mile away.

After meeting and mating, if there is a separation, the flames will fall ill. [Exact opposite of what Hollywood's Elites wanted to brainwash trhough the movie "Hancock". ]

An injury to one will spontaneously create a pain or freaky accident that injures the other correspondingly.

After meeting, small black spots or moles may appear in the same place, mostly in a finger.

There will be regular sexual intercourse in
dreams/Upper Astral Plane.

The Aura of one will easily heal the others emotional pain/stress during sleep.

Two Conditions before meeting Twin Flame:[/B]

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posted December 06, 2011 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
This, I understand 100% BelligerentPygmy! I think that is where it is at. If one wants to look for correlations, there is nothing wrong with that, I'm not criticisng the search at all! Stated that explicitly. But, as soon as I'd have that feeling 'like geesh, wow, bam, ohhhh sh*t' it would eclipse the world for me. I'd go for that, but that is just me. Everything, I've said with reference to my own perspective.

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Nice spin, but that's not what I said LMAO.

posted December 06, 2011 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FireWire:
[b]My remarks have nothing to do with my criticising the 'astrologically-minded' (to quote you, Lonake

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Yeah honestly I was trying not to come out and just say that, but I think they came in more to preach their own personal beliefs on the subject in general or push their own agenda for their own personal reasons, than to actually discuss the subject astrologically. Especially when the subject is...astrological indications of twin flames...then they proceed to come in and preach how they believe that astrology essentially has nothing to do with it, and not only say it once but continue on and on with it.

I'm gonna be totally blunt here and say that I think it's just someone wanting to push that theory onto everyone else because they have (or had) someone in their life that they feel is their twin flame but astrologically there's no connections, so they're trying to push what they want to believe about it onto everyone else to kind of make themselves feel secure about their own situation.

posted December 06, 2011 07:38 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
LOL! 10pts!

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I didn't know we were playing a game?

At any rate, I said it in jest, but it's true. Twin soul experiences don't always go well and a lot of times you come out the other side, hating the other person or at least feeling like you wouldn't mind it if you never laid eyes on them again.

posted December 06, 2011 07:48 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I didn't know we were playing a game?

At any rate, I said it in jest, but it's true. Twin soul experiences don't always go well and a lot of times you come out the other side, hating the other person or at least feeling like you wouldn't mind it if you never laid eyes on them again.

Honestly that's how I feel about my twin soul. To be truthful at this point I don't even like that he IS my twin soul and feel gypped by the universe like, "You stuck me with THIS one? You s.uck." I wish I'd gotten someone else, to be totally honest about it.

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posted December 06, 2011 08:17 AM            

And Lonake, I also thank you for your comment as well, because perhaps you are right. My remarks and inquiry were not of highest value to this specific level of discussion looking to identify elements of twin flames within the synastry of the charts athenagoddess has posted, as well as those seeking to find correlations in synastry that highlight a twin flame union.

To all: I do sincerely apologize if my questioning and my 'agenda' and my 'theory' have offended anyone's astrological inclinations (though they are no different from my own, but I frequently question the 'purpose' of aspects my belief systems and my relationship to the world around me all the time--not the validity, and or reliability). I don't know that I am pushing an agenda or theory. My saying I haven't approached the topic from an astrological approach has nothing to do with disbelief or a desire to discredit anything or anyone. Which is why I haven't said this is or is not a twin flame for athenagoddess. It really isn't for me to say. I admit that, unabashedly. So...

posted December 06, 2011 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Tell me about it. Just cos they're karmically connected to you doesn't mean they are decent people. I unfortunately had to deal with somebody completely messed up and heartless. But still, some parts of me still loves him.

Grrr.

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EXACTLY. I want a Twin Soul refund, a do-over, some extra blessings to make up for pain and suffering, SOMEthing.

posted December 06, 2011 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
BelligerentPygmy, has nothing to do with my being insecure about 'my situation.' But, I sincerely don't mind your assumptions--I understand where you are coming from. Though you aren't correct in your assumption, I do appreciate your bluntness, honesty and how you candidly expressing your view on why I might have chimed in on the topic. Honest communication is always good!

And Lonake, I also thank you for your comment as well, because perhaps you are right. My remarks and inquiry were not of highest value to this specific level of discussion looking to identify elements of twin flames within the synastry of the charts athenagoddess has posted, as well as those seeking to find correlations in synastry that highlight a twin flame union.

To all: I do sincerely apologize if my questioning and my 'agenda' and my 'theory' have offended anyone's astrological inclinations (though they are no different from my own, but I frequently question the 'purpose' of aspects my belief systems and my relationship to the world around me all the time--not the validity, and or reliability). I don't know that I am pushing an agenda or theory. My saying I haven't approached the topic from an astrological approach has nothing to do with disbelief or a desire to discredit anything or anyone. Which is why I haven't said this is or is not a twin flame for athenagoddess. It really isn't for me to say. I admit that, unabashedly. So...

Yeah.

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*looks at you like you just wet-farted*

If that's the case, then why did you spend post after post trying to beat it into our heads that, to you, there are no astrological indicators of twin soul contact? Hmm?

Plus honestly, with the way you kept repeating that it really sounds more like a case of doth protest too much, like you're trying to convince or reassure yourself of something...

posted December 06, 2011 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

*looks at you like you just wet-farted*

If that's the case, then why did you spend post after post trying to beat it into our heads that, to you, there are no astrological indicators of twin soul contact? Hmm?

Plus honestly, with the way you kept repeating that it really sounds more like a case of doth protest too much, like you're trying to convince or reassure yourself of something...

Curiouser and curiouser...well, not really. Actually it's just derailing the thread, which is pretty annoying.

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Show me where I said it can't be proven, that will rest your case and mine.

I bet you can't to save your life, though. I never said it. And even when I thought it might be interpreted that I could possibly be suggesting it, I followed with a remark explicitly stating that it wasn't my intent.

posted December 06, 2011 08:42 AM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
when you found someone that you are VERY HAPPY, then you learn that you are not soulmates why does it HAVE TO LOSE ITS MAGIC????? Why does it always have to be mystic something to be perfect? Also there are other personalities whines about their soulmates being heartless.. Lol, think a pal who is forever alone.. what if the guy is doomed for solutide or is never able to find his twin flame in this lifetime? This guy is more powerful than fairy tale chaser also has more strong personality which actually deserves anything(more than chasers). Learn to thank God for at least having something. Also heavens do not owe you a single sh*t. You deserved obviously and this is why you are angry to universe . Learn the accept the facts(especially you are never gonna find your twin flame) and also surrender the will of universe.

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posted December 06, 2011 09:03 AM              

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

But like I said before, if the saying as above so below is true, and if synastry can be trusted to show how people affect one another and the nature of relationships, and if you believe in general that astrology can tell you something about the personality and character of an individual, what things to expect during a certain time period (transits), the idea that something like twin souls can't be seen in a chart is a little...odd, to say the least.

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I wholeheartedly agree with that.

Yet... I still give credit to the feeling; of course there is always a risk of being delusional and WANTING to see something that just isn`t there.
But on the other hand if the feelings are there and the relationship is as well, and the astrology does not seem to concur, I usually think that the astrologer is missing something.
Something we maybe are not aware of yet.

EDIT:
I do agree though that love is what matters and if we love each other, we should enjoy that love.

But on the other hand we are astrologers, we are NATURALLY curious to see the aspects and symbolism that will express the feelings we feel deep inside our hearts.