posted December 06, 2011 10:17 AM            

And his 12th house is packed... does that mean he is not ready to meet his twin flame?

posted December 06, 2011 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
Lioness,
There is also good scope for love and success in this relationship. It is not just about Karmic debts. But I do not think this is a Twin Flame relationship.

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Thanks IQ.. I dont think he's a Twin either.. Soulmate yes ....but twin no..

Only I thought you were going to say karma karma karma... lol Its all about the karma.

posted December 06, 2011 02:09 PM            

So IQ says that hubby is at least 70% chance my twinflame. My instincts have been telling me to stick it out with him bc if I dont I will be going backwards delaying further my spiritual evolution so I will but if 10 years from now my instincts start telling me something else I will listen to it.

Its funny I felt like I was married to him since we met basically. His friend would say that we were like an old married couple from the start and it felt this way. We met and I automatically cared a looooot about him and he did for me and we were inseparable since the beginning but the relationship has been full of challenges and fights too and difficult and also very adventurous and full of fun.

we are a good team, a good partnership, we are stronger together. This is how I would describe my relationship with hubby. It isn't about butterflies but about been stronger together and adventure and growing together.

posted December 06, 2011 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I didn't know we were playing a game?

At any rate, I said it in jest, but it's true. Twin soul experiences don't always go well and a lot of times you come out the other side, hating the other person or at least feeling like you wouldn't mind it if you never laid eyes on them again.

Honestly that's how I feel about my twin soul. To be truthful at this point I don't even like that he IS my twin soul and feel gypped by the universe like, "You stuck me with THIS one? You s.uck." I wish I'd gotten someone else, to be totally honest about it.

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lmao!!! I can relate.....it appears my twinflame is probably hubby but yeah I wish I would have gotten someone else, I really despise our fights lol.

posted December 06, 2011 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I find this topic fascinating but approach it in an intellectual way bc at the end of the day we need to listen to our instincts as they are our guidance and speak to us for a reason.

So IQ says that hubby is at least 70% chance my twinflame. My instincts have been telling me to stick it out with him bc if I dont I will be going backwards delaying further my spiritual evolution so I will but if 10 years from now my instincts start telling me something else I will listen to it.

Its funny I felt like I was married to him since we met basically. His friend would say that we were like an old married couple from the start and it felt this way. We met and I automatically cared a looooot about him and he did for me and we were inseparable since the beginning but the relationship has been full of challenges and fights too and difficult and also very adventurous and full of fun.

we are a good team, a good partnership, we are stronger together. This is how I would describe my relationship with hubby. It isn't about butterflies but about been stronger together and adventure and growing together.

I like feeling butterflies so I guess I romanticize my other relationships but perhaps he is the real thing. Time will tell. That is ultimately how I feel about the whole twin flame thing, that time will tell.

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posted December 06, 2011 03:44 PM            

Yeah I am lucky that I found him and we do have many adventures and grow together but twinflame relationships are definitely intense and a lot of work but I think we are going to be ok and it will get easier and easier and better and better as we grow together.

posted December 06, 2011 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Anon I feel I was burned out as we hadn't separated at all in 4.7 years since we met but our relationship is starting a new stage, he is growing and we are getting along better and I feel things are just going to continue to get better it has just been a lot of work to finally get this new stage that is starting.

Yeah I am lucky that I found him and we do have many adventures and grow together but twinflame relationships are definitely intense and a lot of work but I think we are going to be ok and it will get easier and easier and better and better as we grow together.

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posted December 06, 2011 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I find this topic fascinating but approach it in an intellectual way bc at the end of the day we need to listen to our instincts as they are our guidance and speak to us for a reason.

So IQ says that hubby is at least 70% chance my twinflame. My instincts have been telling me to stick it out with him bc if I dont I will be going backwards delaying further my spiritual evolution so I will but if 10 years from now my instincts start telling me something else I will listen to it.

Its funny I felt like I was married to him since we met basically. His friend would say that we were like an old married couple from the start and it felt this way. We met and I automatically cared a looooot about him and he did for me and we were inseparable since the beginning but the relationship has been full of challenges and fights too and difficult and also very adventurous and full of fun.

we are a good team, a good partnership, we are stronger together. This is how I would describe my relationship with hubby. It isn't about butterflies but about been stronger together and adventure and growing together.

I like feeling butterflies so I guess I romanticize my other relationships but perhaps he is the real thing. Time will tell. That is ultimately how I feel about the whole twin flame thing, that time will tell.

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Wow! This sound intense! I also wonder how the '33' vibrations have had an impact on how you deal with the relationship, the synastry, challenges...etc. I know for many, there can be a keen sensitivity to stress and have a really strong effect on the nervous system. And with this intensity in this sort of union, I wonder how that all plays out. I happened to start responding to this at 3:33 P.M., btw.

posted December 06, 2011 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I wish I could meet my twin flame. I'm tired of being subject to Karma.

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I feel your pain and all of the talk about this world being an illusion really doesn't help when you are wanting their arms and heart. Your twin is within you always, close your eyes and still your soul.

The longest wait is the wait for our twin and sometimes it takes lifetimes.
HUGS!~

posted December 06, 2011 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wholeheartedly agree with that.

Yet... I still give credit to the feeling; of course there is always a risk of being delusional and WANTING to see something that just isn`t there.

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True, this is why I say though that if it's real, you will see evidence of that from multiple places - you'll feel it, AND the astrology will reflect that. I really don't believe that people can be twin souls without it showing up in charts at all, because there's so many different chart forms and methods I think that if it's there at all, it will definitely show up in at least one form. But if you check everything - helio draconic geocentric synastry and composites (both standard and Davidson), and parallels between the planets in each chart, and you still don't find any indicators, not even asteroid activity then I doubt that person is your twin soul.

I mentioned this earlier but the guy I know is my twin soul (unfortunately), the astrology definitely reflects that. In the basic geocentric planetary synastry there's conjunctions between luminaries and inner planets; there's stuff going on with nodes and vertex; there's a lot of asteroid activity - and by that I mean isis-osiris stuff, juno conjunctions, karma conjunct north node and saturn; the composite has four planets and the NN in the 7th house; the composite chart ruler is one of the planets in the 7th as well. There's a lot of activity involving the heavier, outer planets in the basic composite as well.

The Davidson chart has a grand trine, kite and a pentagon. The sun conjuncts the ascendant. sun, venus, nn are all in the first house in pisces; chiron is in the first as well, in aries. Chart ruler in the seventh, lots of activity going on with the outer karmic planets.

Heliocentric - a few planetary conjunctions ... Neptune-Saturn, Venus-Neptune, Venus-Mercury. A lot of the twin-soul related asteroids, conjunct each other or one another's planets.

There's a few parallels between the planets in both natal charts, too.

And that's *still* not all of it. I just stopped there.

posted December 06, 2011 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
and if you believe in general that astrology can tell you something about the personality and character of an individual, what things to expect during a certain time period (transits)

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I don't think progressions at time of meeting should be disregarded, either.
There will likely be significant standouts,
I am thinking of one's natal personal planet or pt conj to another's progressed personal planet or pt and that being 'awakened' by a certain transit.

Neptune, with all its capacity for delusion, oh well, I think it still is likely to be a significant player here. Maybe Uranus as well.
I'd personally rather see strong correlations like this, with the synastry, solar arcs, progressions, transits before looking at the asteroids, but I do find the asteroid partner pairs v.interesting.
The one asteroid I've seen having so much power that it would be hard to explain it away, is Karma 3811. I think it would be activated in synastry, at least. Transiting Karma to natal, progressed of both could be another area to research.

posted December 06, 2011 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
lmao!!! I can relate.....it appears my twinflame is probably hubby but yeah I wish I would have gotten someone else, I really despise our fights lol.

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posted December 06, 2011 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
[b]and if you believe in general that astrology can tell you something about the personality and character of an individual, what things to expect during a certain time period (transits)

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I don't think progressions at time of meeting should be disregarded, either.
There will likely be significant standouts,
I am thinking of one's natal personal planet or pt conj to another's progressed personal planet or pt and that being 'awakened' by a certain transit.

Neptune, with all its capacity for delusion, oh well, I think it still is likely to be a significant player here. Maybe Uranus as well.
I'd personally rather see strong correlations like this, with the synastry, solar arcs, progressions, transits before looking at the asteroids, but I do find the asteroid partner pairs v.interesting.
The one asteroid I've seen having so much power that it would be hard to explain it away, is Karma 3811. I think it would be activated in synastry, at least. Transiting Karma to natal, progressed of both could be another area to research.

I also am not quick to dismiss the 12th house in synastry of Twin Flames. What better house to dig in deep to the core of another, get past their defenses, and have a chance to have an extraordinary experience together. Outer planets in the other's 12th may more readily point to this than the others, introducing transpersonal energy past the other's erected boundaries. Maybe that outer planet is emphasized in the chart that is transposing it. Personal planets/Asc/Jupiter would play a role as well. Saturn, possibly, but for some reason I'm not so quick to give it consideration in that house.[/B][/QUOTE]

No, that's not what I meant LOL.

I was saying that if you believe in the concept of astrological transits in general, not really referring to them specifically in connection to the soulmate/twin soul phenomenon.

But I absolutely agree that in cases where there are no actual natal indicators of two people being soulmates or twin flames, but they feel they are and insist they are, then it probably has to do with a transit probably involving Neptune, and once that transit passes, they'll find out really quickly that they are NOT.

I agree with you on Karma too - in the synastry with my twin soul that I mentioned in the last post, his Karma conjuncts my North Node and mine conjuncts a planet on an angle in his chart.

I agree on the 12th house thing to some extent too because I've read about it being associated with past lives, although not to the extent of the south node or something like Pluto or Saturn. Incidentally my ascendant falls in my twin soul's 12th house, as well *insert eye-rolling here*.

With another guy that I believe is a soulmate of mine, my Neptune falls in his 12th house, conjunct his moon and there's weird extrasensory type activity that goes on. Regular contact in dreams, that kind of thing. A lot of the asteroids in my chart, associated with sleep, astral travel and nonverbal, unexplained forms of communication, fall in really eerie, key areas in his chart. There's a lot of Uranus and Neptune activity too, going both ways I think involving both the moon and mercury. He also has the innate ability to read me like a book.

With another ex (who I also believe is a soulmate), four of my planets fall in his 12th house and he could, quite literally 'feel' me, like literally not even be in the same city or even the same state and would feel my hands on him as though I were right there next to him.

Another ex of mine - I don't know her birthtime so I don't know exact natal data - told me that she could 'feel' me too.

What I've noticed though it's that it's always them picking up on it or receiving it, and that I'm always the one sending it out. So maybe the house person is always the receiver and the planet person is always the sender.

posted December 07, 2011 12:01 AM            

"Incidentally my ascendant falls in my twin soul's 12th house, as well"
---V.important the house that the Asc falls in (!) Took me some time to fig this out, but it makes a big impact.

posted December 07, 2011 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ I added in my pts for things to look for, possibly, if one were interested in the subject or correlating the 2 (the topic). Just musing, really ....

"Incidentally my ascendant falls in my twin soul's 12th house, as well"
---V.important the house that the Asc falls in (!) Took me some time to fig this out, but it makes a big impact.

Do you feel comfortable posting your synastry?
I ask just because there hasn't been a chart contributed by iQ.

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I know, I saw those before I replied. The stuff you said about the 12th house and planets falling there natally is very true, which is why I went into some detail above explaining how I know from firsthand experience that it's true.

posted December 07, 2011 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Completely understand.
And iQ has his sealed for the same reason.

I'm critical of his examples due to the specific conditions he sets out with nothing to back it up with.
I wish he wouldn't do that, it doesn't help anyone who is interested to learn.

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Basically if there's lots of aspects between each person's luminaries and planets; stuff going on with the angles and the nodes and the vertex, and the soulmate asteroids land in eerie places in one another's charts...and you see this type of thing happen over in over, like in the helio, the draconic...basically if there's a reoccuring theme of significant aspects, as well as just having that gut feeling and odd stuff happening, like unexplained contact, then yeah, you probably are twin souls or at least soulmates.

I like iQ he seems cool to me and I think he knows ALOT, but I think the twin soul synastry link was too rigid and mechanical to some extent. I think he kinda overthought it and made it too specific.

Like, according to his criteria, even me and my twin soul wouldn't be considered twin flames, despite the extremely eerie synastry. He says to look for a handful of specific asteroids, conjunct one another's ascendant, and that if they don't, there's no way they're twinsouls.

posted December 07, 2011 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
lmao!!! I can relate.....it appears my twinflame is probably hubby but yeah I wish I would have gotten someone else, I really despise our fights lol.

I think though that maybe we will feel differently about our twin souls eventually once the major challenges are overcome. What do you think? do you you see yourself feeling differently about your twin flame eventually?

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Sorry, I just now saw this lol.

posted December 07, 2011 06:40 AM              

" But if you check everything - helio draconic geocentric synastry and composites (both standard and Davidson), and parallels between the planets in each chart, and you still don't find any indicators, not even asteroid activity then I doubt that person is your twin soul."

I agree.

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I have been wondering though lately: when we are taking all these charts into account, when does it get arbitrary? I mean the more charts we consider, the more likely something will come up, even in non-twinflame-charts.

Still I think helio and Draconic charts ARE important; I am also wondering about the importance of solstice points - mirror points, and parallels / contraparallels.

But then, if all of these are vital, we have to find other ways of discrimination: for me personally that means to cut the orbs quite a bit (at least for soulmate- and twinflame synastries) and placing more importance of conjunctions / oppositions and multiple planetary configurations, like Grand Trine, Yod, etc.

I have also been wondering: what does it mean, if most of it occurs, let`s say in the Dracos, and Helios (which seems to be rare btw), and there are many lovey-dovey- asteroid- conjunctions, but if there are no conjunctions of personal planets, luminaries or angles to the other one`s angles or luminaries in the tropical chart?

Does that negate the possibility of these two being twinflames, or does it maybe just reduce the chance of them connecting in this life in a relationship?
(while there may have been shared past lives and a soul and spiritual bond, as indicated through Heliocentric and Draco charts).

I think, for a clear Twinflame synastry I want to see all these things happening on ALL levels - tropical, Draco, Helio, including composites.

And if there are soul mate pairings in synastry, they should also occur in composite, as this is the chart of their union; maybe not necessarily the same soulmate pairings.

I am just thinking out loud here, and just getting aware I am digressing too far from what you`ve said and the reply to you.
but these are thoughts that have been on my mind very strongly.
I would be interested to hear your opinion on this though.

"n the basic geocentric planetary synastry there's conjunctions between luminaries and inner planets;"
so, you, too place more emphasis on conjunctions?

" there's stuff going on with nodes and vertex;"
Very important, I agree.

Have you checked your solstice points (or antiscia / contrascia)? I am very fascinated with them.

"nd by that I mean isis-osiris stuff, juno conjunctions, karma conjunct north node and saturn;"
Yes, the BIG stuff.
I find it clearly more significant than Juno semisquare mercury for example.

Isis-Osiris is usually highlighted for me as well, but I thought this might be, cause it resonates with my natal, as I have natally Isis-Osiris conjunct and both falling onto my Venus, and squaring my Pluto.

"Heliocentric - a few planetary conjunctions ... Neptune-Saturn, Venus-Neptune, Venus-Mercury. A lot of the twin-soul related asteroids, conjunct each other or one another's planets."
Heavy heliocentric synastry should not be underestimated as it seems so much rarer than finding these on the tropical level, at least according to the charts I have been looking at.
I also would not underestimate Neptune, as he is so spiritual.
And higher octave of Venus - so how could he not play a role?

posted December 07, 2011 06:42 AM              

"There will likely be significant standouts"
That made me think of the progressions when I met someone.
At the time of first meeting my pr Psyche (and his pr Psyche - we have a Psyche-psyche-conjunction natally) was exactly conjunct his natal Eros. LOL

"I am thinking of one's natal personal planet or pt conj to another's progressed personal planet or pt and that being 'awakened' by a certain transit."
Yes, I would look for that as well.

If these progressions / solar arcs / transits are missing, then it would not really negate two people are twinflames, but moreso indicate that the timing was not right. Maybe they will awake to it later on.

"Neptune, with all its capacity for delusion, oh well, I think it still is likely to be a significant player here. Maybe Uranus as well. "
As a matter of fact I think, all the three transpersonals are. uranus, neptune, Pluto (esp. if you see them as a higher octave of Mercury, Venus and Mars - they kind of pull the personal relating styles onto a spiritual level)

" also am not quick to dismiss the 12th house in synastry of Twin Flames."
I find all water houses to be important in that regard actually.

posted December 07, 2011 09:10 AM              

"Basically if there's lots of aspects between each person's luminaries and planets; stuff going on with the angles and the nodes and the vertex, and the soulmate asteroids land in eerie places in one another's charts..."
I agree.

Usually I am getting this tingle down my spine, no matter if looking at my own or other`s synastries / composites, and it feels like I am looking at something "Big", without maybe even grasping the meaning of it myself.

I mean in the charts of soulmates and twinflames, they weave together so seamlessly, I can basically WATCH the energetical matrix unfold before my eyes!

And that usually happens because - like you put it if I remember it right - it is like the universe hits you with a hammer over the head with these eery configurations.

On the other hand if I have to dig deep and really PROBE and SEARCH for aspects / configurations and such, then this is probably a sure shot sign that I am NOT looking at soulmate synastry. Period.
No matter how much I wished for it, either for personal reasons or because I do not like to disappoint others.

"I think he kinda overthought it and made it too specific."
Well, I think it is a good "starting point". Of course every synastry is unique as the people involved are.

One thing I want to add though is that I think not only the 7th, but also the 1st house in a relationship chart (composite /Davison) is important in that regard. Since these charts are really about the relationship between two people, the 1st house will say a lot about the essence / identity about that relationship.

"e says to look for a handful of specific asteroids, conjunct one another's ascendant, and that if they don't, there's no way they're twinsouls."
Are you referring to the link to his site?
I think this formula is not completely up to date though.

Also, it might be that different people have different "preferences" when it comes to which asteroids are aspected. In my case Juno in aspect to Mars, Valentine or Eros seems to be a biggie. I have real clue why though.

Though maybe it is because the tighest aspect in my chart is a trine of Juno in Pisces to Saturn in Cancer.

"moon-pluto/NN conjunction, and that NN/Karma one, and that vertex/sun-juno conjunction, and that juno/chart ruler conjunction and isis/osiris conjunct, and.."
No, I really donīt think so.
those are all VERY important.

But I guess for twinflame synastry there will be some common traits, which will be shared by most twinflames (though maybe not all), and then there will be very individual ones.

BTWW Moon-Pluto/NN??? WOW! That sounds mega intense!

posted December 07, 2011 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BP,

" But if you check everything - helio draconic geocentric synastry and composites (both standard and Davidson), and parallels between the planets in each chart, and you still don't find any indicators, not even asteroid activity then I doubt that person is your twin soul."

I agree.

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I have been wondering though lately: when we are taking all these charts into account, when does it get arbitrary? I mean the more charts we consider, the more likely something will come up, even in non-twinflame-charts.

Still I think helio and Draconic charts ARE important; I am also wondering about the importance of solstice points - mirror points, and parallels / contraparallels.

But then, if all of these are vital, we have to find other ways of discrimination: for me personally that means to cut the orbs quite a bit (at least for soulmate- and twinflame synastries) and placing more importance of conjunctions / oppositions and multiple planetary configurations, like Grand Trine, Yod, etc.

I have also been wondering: what does it mean, if most of it occurs, let`s say in the Dracos, and Helios (which seems to be rare btw), and there are many lovey-dovey- asteroid- conjunctions, but if there are no conjunctions of personal planets, luminaries or angles to the other one`s angles or luminaries in the tropical chart?

Does that negate the possibility of these two being twinflames, or does it maybe just reduce the chance of them connecting in this life in a relationship?
(while there may have been shared past lives and a soul and spiritual bond, as indicated through Heliocentric and Draco charts).

I think, for a clear Twinflame synastry I want to see all these things happening on ALL levels - tropical, Draco, Helio, including composites.

And if there are soul mate pairings in synastry, they should also occur in composite, as this is the chart of their union; maybe not necessarily the same soulmate pairings.

I am just thinking out loud here, and just getting aware I am digressing too far from what you`ve said and the reply to you.
but these are thoughts that have been on my mind very strongly.
I would be interested to hear your opinion on this though.

"n the basic geocentric planetary synastry there's conjunctions between luminaries and inner planets;"
so, you, too place more emphasis on conjunctions?

" there's stuff going on with nodes and vertex;"
Very important, I agree.

Have you checked your solstice points (or antiscia / contrascia)? I am very fascinated with them.

"nd by that I mean isis-osiris stuff, juno conjunctions, karma conjunct north node and saturn;"
Yes, the BIG stuff.
I find it clearly more significant than Juno semisquare mercury for example.

Isis-Osiris is usually highlighted for me as well, but I thought this might be, cause it resonates with my natal, as I have natally Isis-Osiris conjunct and both falling onto my Venus, and squaring my Pluto.

"Heliocentric - a few planetary conjunctions ... Neptune-Saturn, Venus-Neptune, Venus-Mercury. A lot of the twin-soul related asteroids, conjunct each other or one another's planets."
Heavy heliocentric synastry should not be underestimated as it seems so much rarer than finding these on the tropical level, at least according to the charts I have been looking at.
I also would not underestimate Neptune, as he is so spiritual.
And higher octave of Venus - so how could he not play a role?

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Actually yeah - you have a point. If you look at enough different synastry and composite charts most people are eventually going to find SOMEthing. You're right, it probably makes more sense to say that if you see indicators in all the various chart forms, THEN you might be on to something.

posted December 08, 2011 09:18 AM              

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
, it probably makes more sense to say that if you see indicators in all the various chart forms, THEN you might be on to something.

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Yes, that was what I was thinking. I hope I am not narrowing it down too much.

Anyway, so I was musing a little bit, and came up with something like this; it is just a musing so far, and maybe I am going to delete it again. A work in progress.

The three planes:
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tropical: the physical plane; present incarnation
Draco: emotional roots; past incarnations
helio: spiritual plane; either future incarnation, or operating out of the context of time

the helio is also said to relate to the Higher Self, and as twin flames have the same Higher Self (at least that is what I repeatedly read about it), the helios are a MUST in twin flame relationships.
As Draco`s are relating to the Moon and soul-connections, soulmates and Twinflame also MUST have strong Draco connections I guess

(1) strong tropica, strong Draco and strong helio:
° twinflames
° probably ready for reunion on earth, as shown by the connections to tropical

(2) weak tropical, strong Draco and strong Helio
° possibly twinflames, who are not yet ready or missing opportunities to be reunited in this earthly incarnation, though their souls and spirits will resonate with each other still
(maybe these will bring the most pain)

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(3) strong tropical, strong Draco, weak helio
° probably no twinflames, as the spiritual or Higher Selves connection is weak
° soulmates with strong soulattachment plus shared past lives
° reconnecting to either solve unfinished karma (esp. if the Draconic aspects are challenging) or because the past shared joy drew them together again

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(4) strong tropical and strong helio, weak Draco

this one puzzles me a lot

° possibly spiritual guides for each other
° it could be that there is no emotional attachment, so they would not be soulmates; or it could be that it just means there has been no past life stuff at work
(it depends how we interprete the Draconics I guess. Is it JUST past life stuff, or is it also relating to a soul-connection?)

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(5) weak tropical, strong Draco, weak helio
° possibly soul- or karmamate with emotional attachment and shared past life experiences
° since the tropical is weak, maybe no reconnection in this life, or mit might indicate that they need to take a "break" from each other

(6) weak tropical, weak Draco, strong helio
° spiritual connection is present, but maybe more like a "background program"
° there seems to be a separation from each other on the physical plane

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(7) strong tropical, weak Draco, weak helio
° Earthmates
° neither soulmates nor twinflames
° probably the start of a new cycle with new souls, maybe even from other soulgroups

(8) weak tropical, weak, Draco, weak helio
° "soulstrangers"

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Of course we would have to define what "strong" and "weak" means (imo, "weak" is rather a lack of aspects than challenging ones).

Also, there are still aspects in the tropical for example, that will show a soul-connection on the physical plane.
Like Moon/Pluto or Moon/ASC etc. for example.

So, there would need to be modifications to t hese. It was just a first approach.