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athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 307 From: us Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 04, 2011 03:59 PM
What aspects are required for the union?I read that the ascendants MUST be in hard aspect to each other under 3 orb.. so you mark that off first. Second, the planets in each chart are all either conjunctions or oppositions; the oppositions is where you complete each other, and conjunctions are where you come together. I'm asking because I want to learn more about the energy frequencies of twin flames and what they produce as a couple.
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anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 04:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: What aspects are required for the union?I read that the ascendants MUST be in hard aspect to each other under 3 orb.. so you mark that off first. Second, the planets in each chart are all either conjunctions or oppositions; the oppositions is where you complete each other, and conjunctions are where you come together. I'm asking because I want to learn more about the energy frequencies of twin flames and what they produce as a couple.
Thanks!
I don't know. What you describe sounds more like soulmates. Twin flames is even more special and I wouldn't know where to look for it. Perhaps in a combination of (vs. one or two) aspects in tight orbs? IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 307 From: us Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 04, 2011 04:02 PM
No, soul mates don't have hard ascendant aspects. I read from that from 'Karmic Astrology Past loves, Present Loves' by Ruth Aharoni.. IP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 04:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: No, soul mates don't have hard aspects ascendant aspects.
There's definitely tight conjunction of the angles (esp. AC and DC) in soulmates. IP: Logged |
FireWire Knowflake Posts: 372 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 04:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: What aspects are required for the union?I read that the ascendants MUST be in hard aspect to each other under 3 orb.. so you mark that off first. Second, the planets in each chart are all either conjunctions or oppositions; the oppositions is where you complete each other, and conjunctions are where you come together. I'm asking because I want to learn more about the energy frequencies of twin flames and what they produce as a couple.
Thanks!
I'm not sure that you have to worry about any of this regarding that type of connection. I personally feel it might transcend much of this. When you have reached...hm...how do you say, perhaps "where you need to be" in your evolution, you will find each other. Intuitively you will know. And, life factors and similarities will just be there. You won't need any astrology or such to confirm it. You won't desire such things to connect the dots--as you two are the dots connected! Moreover, I don't think twin flames have karma to clear once they finally to reunite. But as I understand, it takes MUCH work on a spiritual level to get to that place. But really, that is why we are all here. But our being here it doesn't necessarily mean you will meet them this go around, on this plane! Or that the two of you will even be together on a romantic level. The connection will be unmistakable. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 307 From: us Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 04, 2011 04:36 PM
Fire Wire.. I guess you are correct. But.. I think astrology can show anything since the energy is going to play out a certain way no matter what the level of energy. And the planets always govern the energy manifested at this time.So Twin Flames will never fight or argue? And how will you know? By reaching a new level of consciousness? And, how can you complete all karma before meeting your twin and still be a physical being on Earth? That is impossible.. as long as you are alive, you are subject to karma. So I think it's more accurate to say they clear any negative karma together after they meet.
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FireWire Knowflake Posts: 372 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 05:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: Fire Wire.. I guess you are correct. But.. I think astrology can show anything since the energy is going to play out a certain way no matter what the level of energy. And the planets always govern the energy manifested at this time.So Twin Flames will never fight or argue? And how will you know? By reaching a new level of consciousness? And, how can you complete all karma before meeting your twin and still be a physical being on Earth? That is impossible.. as long as you are alive, you are subject to karma. So I think it's more accurate to say they clear any negative karma together after they meet.
I think, perhaps I should say that, as I understand it, they don't have any negative karma to clear with one another from past lifetimes. And no, that doesn't mean they don't fight are argue. They are still human. You might come into contact with each other, and the other might be married. But again, from I understand, the connection will be so sincere, you wouldn't want to disrupt their marriage--the level of respect and intuitive understanding would be to *that* level of...niceness (lol). We still all have our individual lessons to learn. The real problem is that we just romanticize everything, twin flames included. Everything here takes work. And if you feel astrology 'shows everything' then maybe you'd be able to find an explanation for that. I'm personally not so sure, as my relationship to/with astrology is a little different. But I wish you the best of luck! Everyone doesn't believe in a twin flame. But, I read once that "if you really believe" as in you feel to your core that there are 'here,' somewhere, so to speak...then they are. Whether or not you'll cross paths and 'stick like glue,' who knows. Soul mates/twin flames/soul friends...etc, apparently there are many types of connections, each of a similar nature, but varying degrees of purpose--to reconnect. Oneness. IP: Logged |
amelia28 Knowflake Posts: 4149 From: Miami Registered: Aug 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 05:17 PM
Interesting topic..I am not sure if having a lot of conjunctions and oppositions and a hard tight aspect between the ascendents is what makes someone your twin flame. You could have this going on with many people and there is suppose to be only ONE twinflame. I am open to astrological indicators that would point to twinflame even though I feel astrology points out more to soulmates but I am open to the possibility just ascendent hard aspects in synastry and conjunctions/oppositions to me is not enough to pinpoint if someone is your twinflame.Perhaps the southnode, vertex and 12th house will be involved in a twinflame connection, perhaps. IP: Logged |
amelia28 Knowflake Posts: 4149 From: Miami Registered: Aug 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 05:19 PM
Also perhaps for twinflames the composite is more important to look at since that is who you will become one with and ascend with. IDK...just food for thought.IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 307 From: us Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 04, 2011 05:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by amelia28: Interesting topic..I am not sure if having a lot of conjunctions and oppositions and a hard tight aspect between the ascendents is what makes someone your twin flame. You could have this going on with many people and there is suppose to be only ONE twinflame. I am open to astrological indicators that would point to twinflame even though I feel astrology points out more to soulmates but I am open to the possibility just ascendent hard aspects in synastry and conjunctions/oppositions to me is not enough to pinpoint if someone is your twinflame.Perhaps the southnode, vertex and 12th house will be involved in a twinflame connection, perhaps.
I certainly don't think you can have those aspects with alot of people you meet everyday. South Node is karma.. In my experience it's pain and separation. Nothing.. very good about the south node. IP: Logged |
FireWire Knowflake Posts: 372 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 05:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by amelia28: You could have this going on with many people and there is suppose to be only ONE twinflame. I am open to astrological indicators that would point to twinflame even though I feel astrology points out more to soulmates.
Yes, this is my impression as well! That is why I feel like nothing will compare to the connection (and I don't mean that in an idealized, romanticized way, it really could be quite ethereal). Interesting discussion though. I look forward to what others think as well! IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 307 From: us Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 04, 2011 05:27 PM
Because I have never met someone with their ascendant exactly opposite mine, conjunct mine, or square mine until Saturn was right smack on my Libra Ascendant (12 Libra) last year and someone walked into my life and his ascendant is exactly square mine and we have mostly conjunctions and oppositions together, and Vertex is activated significantly. I have a good idea.. since the heliocentric chart represents your higher self. that means the planets in that chart must exactly aspect the planets in the others heliocentric chart.. This could be the merging of your higher self, divine will, and utter destiny. Because twin flames complete each others energy fields.. that means the energy behind your incarnation (heliocentric chart) must be opposite theirs.. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2011 05:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: So Twin Flames will never fight or argue?
They argue, esp in the beginning. Never arguing is a misconception. It is not a blissfully easy relationship from start to finish. Most people who think they are each other's twin flame are just soul mates. And never underestimate a woman's (or sometimes a man's) ability to romanticize a relationship. It'd be easier if we had charts of these pairings to see what they all had in common. I would agree with many of the same markers for soul mates, nodal, angle, vertex connections. And also with the addition of conjunctions and oppositions, the oppositions, tho, they would have to be strong, and it doesn't have to be multiple, could be just one or two strong ones, but the essence of them would be showing strong dissimilarity in the personality, but as part of a continuum, so off the top, Sun opp Asc, Sun opp Sun, Sun opp Moon - all of these show pairs where the essential nature, the Sun, relates, faces directly, one part of what makes up a big part of the personality of another. Secondary might be Moon opp Asc, Moon opp Moon, Asc opp Asc. Oppositions are really not so dissimilar, tho, because they are part of the same axis, and share much in common, and are ripe for projection. So all these pts mentioned point to either direct similarity, conjunctions effecting personal planets, angles, nodes, vertex, and also a sense of fascination (the strong opp) that acts as the draw. It's that opp that causes the arguments, because you're trying to meet in the middle but there is a lot to sort out in the way of getting there. That's my theory anyway, without looking at charts but knowing a bit about the subject. iQ on his website has a formula for the probability of being in a twin flame relationship, it's quite detailed, involves some asteroids, but it's interesting to see.***Correction (edit), here is the site http://www.tamsoft.co.in/soulmates.html and it is a calculator for soul mates, incorporating asteroids, does not seem to be for twin flames.*** . . . Also they're said to have psychic experiences, to be very tied into the etheric plane through each other. That's been talked about here before: Moon/Mercury contacts to Uranus/Neptune in the synastry or composite. I'm sure there might be others (placements maybe, or other aspects) but those aspects stand out. And for a strong feeling of being at home, look to the Moon, and see if it is supported by the other's chart. Moon conj Moon would be strongest, secondary might be the trine. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2011 06:14 PM
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Lonake Knowflake Posts: 9947 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2011 06:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: I have a good idea.. since the heliocentric chart represents your higher self. that means the planets in that chart must exactly aspect the planets in the others heliocentric chart..
The Heliocentric idea is interesting, because the Sun in Western Geocentric opposes the Moon position in the Heliocentric chart.So if you have Sun opp Sun/Moon/Asc in the synastry, then from one's Heliocentric to the other's Geocentric it then turns into a conjunction to the Moon. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 307 From: us Registered: Sep 2018
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posted December 04, 2011 06:36 PM
Yes.My Moon 8 Capricorn My Neptune 8 Capricorn My IC Capricorn 12 His Ascendant 11 Capricorn IP: Logged |
Mermaid Knowflake Posts: 126 From: From the deep blue seas Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 09:45 PM
I think Nodes in synastry of twinflames could show something since soul's evolutionary path is linked to Nodes.I have a exact conjunction(few minutes)of my NN with NN of someone I feel is my twinsoul but I haven't found anything much written about NN/NN conjunction.In my opinion,two NN conjunct tightly should be significant as NN is considered to be a spiritual point both in Western and Vedic astrology.My NN is also conjunct his Vertex and my Vertex is conjunct his Pluto.IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2400 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 04, 2011 09:51 PM
North node moves really slow though...You have your north node conjuncting everyone born in t he same year as you.It's only significant if someone is a very different age to you and your NN conjuncts tightly. Pluto also. Pluto basically moves at a snail's pace lol. IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1145 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 09:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: What aspects are required for the union?I read that the ascendants MUST be in hard aspect to each other under 3 orb.. so you mark that off first. Second, the planets in each chart are all either conjunctions or oppositions; the oppositions is where you complete each other, and conjunctions are where you come together. I'm asking because I want to learn more about the energy frequencies of twin flames and what they produce as a couple.
Thanks!
First time I ever heard anything about ascendants. I've heard you look at the nodes and the vertex. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2400 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 04, 2011 10:02 PM
I think it's alot more than just nodes and vertexes n angles?I had an ex: Our vertexes conjuncted, we had vertex conjunct desc DW Asc conjuncted His sun was conjunct my IC (1 degree) My moon and venus was conjunct his desc (both exact) My sun sextile his moon (exact) My moon, venus and mercury trined his venus and mercury (all very tight degrees) Moon trined neptune, sun sextile neptune (all by 1 degree) His karma was exactly conjuncting my Sun His south node conjuncted my sun and mars My moon in his 7th, his moon in my 8th My pluto in his 7th, his in my 8th We has eros conjunct psyche by 1 degree (on line btwn 7th and 8th house scorp) and his eros also squared my psyche by 1 degree.. We had moon in the 7th house in composite Sun conjunct venus conjunct mercury and juno and valentine in the composite (5th house) Vertex conjunct desc in composite. He wasn't my twin flame lol. I've now met somebody with even better synastry and composite. I don't believe he's my twin flame either. Twin flame meetings are EXTREMELY!! Rare. Most ppl assume their soulmates are twin flames it seems. IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 5857 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 05, 2011 03:36 AM
This is a very vast subject, one of my favorite subjects.So many categories of Soulmates exist. The closest Soul Mates are like two twigs from the same Highest Self Tree's Soul Branch. Other Soul Mates can be from the same Highest Self or Over Soul, or can be from other Over Souls. With some soul mates, we have to settle karmic debts, then the relationship is over. With some, we have to experience love and joy because they owe us. Some Soulmates appear during times of crisis. The actual Twin Flame will transcend every limitation. The hard or easy aspect will not matter, the existence of numerous aspects is what matters, in all charts [Draconic, Heliocentric, Composite and Synastry]. One can never forget a Twin Flame. There will be Telepathy. There will be appearances in dreams. There will be amazing serendipitous experiences [just see the movie Serendipity]. There will be Multi Dimensional Awakening after meeting a Twin Flame. Chakras will spin faster and stronger. Animal Lust will slowly cease. Silent Gazing of the Eyes will communicate volumes. In certain times, even the others heartbeat will be felt from a mile away. After meeting and mating, if there is a separation, the flames will fall ill. [Exact opposite of what Hollywood's Elites wanted to brainwash trhough the movie "Hancock". ] An injury to one will spontaneously create a pain or freaky accident that injures the other correspondingly. After meeting, small black spots or moles may appear in the same place, mostly in a finger. There will be regular sexual intercourse in dreams/Upper Astral Plane. The Aura of one will easily heal the others emotional pain/stress during sleep. Two Conditions before meeting Twin Flame: ------------------------------------------------------ 1. Forgiveness of everyone who owes you a karmic debt.
2. Seeking Forgiveness for all hurts caused to the Twin in past lifelines. Astrology and Twin Flames: ------------------------------------------- The 7th Cusp and a packed 7th House are major clues. Asteroid Pairs of Soul Mate Archetypes will be very strong. Asteroids Valentine, Karma and Union are vital.
With God, All is Possible. A Twin Flame from another Dimension can "Walk In" to a Soul Mate's body after an accident. Thus, Astrology can miss out on this aspect [unless a detailed Transit Analysis is done] The easiest clue is the Mutual Gaze. Astrological Analysis should be done after the Mutual Gaze seems like a permanent bond. Can Twin Flame Relationships fail? ------------------------------------------------- Yes. When one Twin is ready and the other is one lifeline away from being ready, the relationship will fail. The runner is usually the guy. 99.99% of the times.
What about children? ------------------------------------------- Children create Karmic Debts but Galactic Level Children or Star Seed types can be born as children to Twin Flame couples.
Children of Twin Flames will find it very difficult to be away from their parent's Joint Magnetic Aura. Such kids find it very difficult to sleep in different rooms till they are 9 or 10. -------------------------------------------- ------------------ http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html
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posted December 05, 2011 04:05 AM
"[just see the movie Serendipity]." LOVE it. "ere will be Multi Dimensional Awakening after meeting a Twin Flame.
Chakras will spin faster and stronger. Silent Gazing of the Eyes will communicate volumes." EXACT experience / perception after that dream/visionary experience on the night to 4th january 2011 (I think I wrote to you about it - found it interesting that you mentioned the "gaze" here, as I have just yesterday described it to a friend with these words). "After meeting and mating, if there is a separation, the flames will fall ill." Funny coincidence is that after that experience I actually DID fall ill, with a nasty cold. "egular sexual intercourse in dreams/Upper Astral Plane." I have a question concerning the astrology of the Astral plane.
What kind of zodiac would you check for this? "2. Seeking Forgiveness for all hurts caused to the Twin in past lifelines." Interestingly before that "dream-experience" I did exactly that for a few months, constantly doing forgiveness-meditations. I just forgot to include myself.
"Children of Twin Flames will find it very difficult to be away from their parent's Joint Magnetic Aura. Such kids find it very difficult to sleep in different rooms till they are 9 or 10." Yes, that is true for my family. Always wanted to sleep in my parent`s bed when they weren´t home, up to the age of 9, until my parents were very adamant about me sleeping in my own room. We have a very tight nit family as well, and my mum and dad are the centre of it. Sometimes I wonder if they may be twin flames. Probably they are soulmates with a purpose/ mission though. At least they raised the bar of expectations in relationships I think.
EDIT: I am in no way claiming that this guy is my twinflame though. It was "just" a vision/ meditation/ dream-experience, but a very intense one.
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Mermaid Knowflake Posts: 126 From: From the deep blue seas Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 05, 2011 07:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by mintgirl123: North node moves really slow though...You have your north node conjuncting everyone born in t he same year as you.It's only significant if someone is a very different age to you and your NN conjuncts tightly. Pluto also. Pluto basically moves at a snail's pace lol.
Mintgirl,I fully agree with you.I wouldn't even have mentioned the NN and Pluto if we were born around the same time.We have age-gap of 19 years.So it is pretty significant in my opinion.
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posted December 05, 2011 07:19 AM
Imo twinflames would have the rarest aspects possible, which is why having ASC`s (or even other angles) exactly conjunct or tightly conjunct, could be a good hint. Moon conjunct DESC or ASC could be significant as well.There are of course other rare combination as well, and it`s never about ONE aspect alone.
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amelia28 Knowflake Posts: 4149 From: Miami Registered: Aug 2011
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posted December 05, 2011 11:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: Because I have never met someone with their ascendant exactly opposite mine, conjunct mine, or square mine until Saturn was right smack on my Libra Ascendant (12 Libra) last year and someone walked into my life and his ascendant is exactly square mine and we have mostly conjunctions and oppositions together, and Vertex is activated significantly. I have a good idea.. since the heliocentric chart represents your higher self. that means the planets in that chart must exactly aspect the planets in the others heliocentric chart.. This could be the merging of your higher self, divine will, and utter destiny Because twin flames complete each others energy fields.. that means the energy behind your incarnation (heliocentric chart) must be opposite theirs..
I Like the heliocentric idea! great direction to pursue and research for this topic I think. IP: Logged |