posted September 21, 2013 08:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
This is my view of Saturn, both in Natal and Synastry. I think you need to look at the operation in the Natal first, before you can see what it is doing in Synastry.

Saturn craves what it touches, and when it contacts the moon you suffer from the illusion that you are separated from and lack the ability to connect intimately with someone. You may fear rejection. Because of this, you feel inhibited in expressing your emotions and feeling ... but on the plus side you often also feel compelled to improve and master this aspect of your life because you want it so much. Mastery over anything can only be achieved through rigorous life lessons. Saturn ensures that circumstances in your life will manifest in order to awaken a need to “improve” the functioning of the moon. Saturn will drive you to mature and get a solid grip on what it takes to express emotion, feeling, intimacy and imagination in a mature and effective manner.

When Saturn is in aspect to the moon in the Natal chart, you have the potential to develop very well controlled, realistic and enduring emotional responses. Nevertheless, with a hard aspect the chances are, you will never quite feel satisfied that you have mastered it - no matter how much you work on it – which is why there is continuous compulsion to work on improving it throughout your life. Saturn will never be satisfied while there are lessons you still need to learn in order to improve the functioning of your instinctive emotional reactions so that they "work" in the real world - no stone is left uncovered. This will take place though testing situations which affect you emotionally in a painful and compelling way. These challenges will potentially force you to recognise what you need to do in order to operate in a mature and effective manner, with the result that over time you become a master of your own emotions.... if you learn well.... OR a cold and emotionless shell if her resist and resent changing yourself or if you allow yourself to be defeated by adversity. If you deal well with your Saturn, you will learn what the illusionary or counter-productive elements are that make you feel you are not good enough and which are preventing you from connecting emotionally with others. You always crave the qualities of the planet which Saturn contacts (in this case - the moon- therefore emotional intimacy), but are delayed from benefiting from this until you become rigorously self aware of your emotional nature. Emotional fulfillment is not denied, just delayed .... until you get it right.

With soft aspects to Saturn, you will be more likely to want to co-operate with the lessons you need to learn to achieve mastery. It will be like Mary Poppins is the teacher – you still have to learn, but the pill is sweetened.

But with hard aspects, it will feel more like Attila the Hun is your teacher. You learn while being exquisitely tortured. It is much harder to want to resist the lesson when you feel you are being horse-whipped into shape!

But either way, you will learn. The difference is that if you learn to master the expression of the moon by means of a soft aspect to Saturn, you will most certainly benefit from your effort and hard work, but your self-awareness may not have developed very much in the process. Conversely, with the hard aspects, mastery of the Saturn lesson will be harder to achieve, but personal growth will be huge and it will be accompanied by tremendous insight.

Of course, in either case (soft or hard aspects), if you fail to learn – you will continuously feel that craving to achieve intimacy and emotional connection, and you may feel like you are being denied opportunities in that area of life. You feel victimised (“poor me!”) and resistant to change. It will seem that something or someone outside is always at fault and being nasty to you and making bad things happen. You might project this by lashing out at others, judging them or trying to control them.

In synastry, I think that Saturn does acts like glue because (when operating well), it is all about serious commitment and the ability of the couple to master what makes a workable relationship. When Saturn is manifesting badly, it is also glue, but then what holds the couple together degenerates into finding ways to trap each other through imposing controls, limitations and restrictions. With the soft aspects the couple finds it easy to achieve either the positive or negative expression of Saturn (depending on the health of Saturn in their own individual charts) in the way that they relate to each other. With the hard aspects, the desire to bond is still there, BUT the couple will find it much more difficult to come to an agreement over what boundaries and commitments they are both willing to accept within the relationship. Maturity is required, and ultimately an enduring, emotionally mature bond is achievable in both cases. If not, the relationship might deteriorate into something cold, controlling and limiting with one or both parties feeling trapped and unable to express their feelings. Emotional blackmail is a possibility.

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posted September 22, 2013 05:23 AM            

You mentioned earlier in this thread about having Venus in Pisces. I have this placement, and yes I understand that feeling of being flooded with emotions. It can be very nerve-wracking when someone does not provide emotional support or an understanding outlet when you need it. Especially when you provide this quality to people. It's funny, as a Pisces Sun, Venus, I often feel like the thing I don't receive from the people around me is what I am giving: emotions, compassion, and this is something I need just as much.

Over time, you also learn to step outside of your feelings and be practical about certain things, because you do not need the added drama sometimes. You learn to be more rational though it is difficult.