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Topic: Is divorce evident in a natal chart?
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IndigoDirae
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posted January 30, 2012 01:08 AM
  
I know that a natal can indicate marriage, with the timing being determined by transits, progressions and the like. What of divorce?Are there any key signatures in a chart showing divorce? If one is, say, prone - or there's a lack of stability regarding being married? Thanks. ------------------
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Capriquarius
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posted January 30, 2012 01:47 AM
Venus in hard aspect to Uranus is one, and I suppose per the theory you stated, the natal aspect would have to be activated by transit/progression to take effect. Having this aspect myself though, I daresay you only need a transit - even a soft one - for the natal promise to be activated. (You can look up Elizabeth Taylor or some other celebrity* on astrotheme and test it out. I suppose the spouse's natal signature factors in as well, although I suspect that hard Uranus aspects would gravitate toward each other, because who else in their right minds would be comfortable with/understand these crazies? LOL
*you might actually have to use a control group of non-hard Uranus aspects among celebs...actually, isn't divorce the norm in their world?)
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amelia28
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posted January 30, 2012 02:02 AM
I Just want to say that my husband has venus square uranus and I have dated a looooooot of guys and he is the only one who never gives up and has keep fighting for the relationship even when I tried breaking up many times and running for the hills. He also has mars conjunct uranus square venus and sun square moon. Its weird but it makes me question how uranus operates and the rep it has.Edit to add: he does have uranus, venus and mars all in a fixed sign so perhaps that has something to do with it. Orrr he is not owning up to his uranus energy and so I am instead for him in this relationship but that could simply be bc his DC is in sag so he is attracted restless partners. Probably both bc of venus square uranus and DC in Sag he ends up married to a chick who has sag rising conjunct jupiter and uranus  .
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amelia28
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posted January 30, 2012 02:16 AM
I Just checked his progressed chart and he doesn't have venus square uranus or mars conjunct uranus in progress...so perhaps progress and transits are better predictors of divorce. Perhaps.Actually in progress he has venus conjunct saturn! that makes sense. BC I have been wondering were on earth is the manifestation of venus square uranus in him for a long time. I asked if he wanted an open relationship thinking that venus square uranus might like that but noooo, not at all. Ofcourse not! his progressed venus is conjunct to saturn. I have felt since the beginning that he loves me but never really surrender to me completely emotionally and know I know why: venus conjunct Saturn.....he holds back to some extent emotionally bc of this aspect.
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I just checked my progressed chart and I am the one that has venus square uranus! that makes sense...I have been running for the hills for a while now and his progressed venus conjunct saturn is like "where do you think you are going?" LOL.. For as long as I can remember I have the tendency to want to break up EASILY relationships and apparently I have had this venus square uranus since 1990 so since I was 7 years old LOL. Oh this explains so much my immaturity with relationships..wanting a relationship really bad and then trying to break up as soon as I am in one.! I dont like that I am like this is insanity and makes me life harded than it needs. The reason why I have lasted 5 years is bc my husband doesn't take let me break up. I did warn him at the beginning of our relationship about my bad habit and told him I typically regret my decision to break up the next day. This is how I lost my ex partially: my immaturity combined with his resulted in the premature ending of a relationship that really should have lasted 4 years.
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Capriquarius
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posted January 30, 2012 02:31 AM
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Orrr he is not owning up to his uranus energy and so I am instead for him in this relationship
Yeah, I find myself doing this as well - I am totally Venus in Scorpio in the dating phase and will project Uranus in Scorpio. So I tend to be attracted to/subconsciously long for a prominently Uranian signature. Having Uranus as ruler of 5th probably factors in a lot as well, just like your hubby's 7th determined his choice. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted January 30, 2012 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[QUOTE] Orrr he is not owning up to his uranus energy and so I am instead for him in this relationship
Yeah, I find myself doing this as well - I am totally Venus in Scorpio in the dating phase and will project Uranus in Scorpio. So I tend to be attracted to/subconsciously long for a prominently Uranian signature. Having Uranus as ruler of 5th probably factors in a lot as well, just like your hubby's 7th determined his choice.[/QUOTE] I edited my posts like a million times so I am going to briefly let you know What I learned....It turns out that in progress I have venus square uranus and husband has venus conjunct saturn...this explains why I crave relationships but as soon as I am in one I am spend a lot of time trying to break it up and why my husband is the one always fighting for the relationship and me the one running for the hills. I am no longer doing this break up things bc after doing it soo many times one day last year it hit me that I have to grow up and just be more mature in how I approach relationships and since then have been working on myself and making him also work on himself as well. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted January 30, 2012 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I know that a natal can indicate marriage, with the timing being determined by transits, progressions and the like. What of divorce?Are there any key signatures in a chart showing divorce? If one is, say, prone - or there's a lack of stability regarding being married? Thanks.
There an arabic part called part of divorce so in transit this could trigger dirvorce perhaps along with other indicators. Like if part of divorce is transiting your DC or his/her DC. Even though arabic parts are points so I am not sure how they work in transit perhaps if your natal arabic part is in aqua at 5 degrees when your transit DC is at aqua at 5 degrees divorce could happen if there are other indicators. IP: Logged |
SaggiMC
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posted January 30, 2012 04:49 AM
synastry and divorce http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13745&highlight=synastry+divorce[/ URL]
Synastry & divorce--- really great article, well worth reading----- [URL=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrolog]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=astrolog y+2nd+marriage&source=bl&ots=DoV__K_IQS&sig=dI1UAX 5oprrQLtfzYUrJ4_XzuKU&hl=en&ei=zBV0SsfnHYqhjAf5rN2 nBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepa ge&q=&f=falseUnfortunately, there is no set formula or signature for marriage or childbirth, although others may disagree, apparently horary and vedic seem confident in this area. There are indicators and potential as there would be with natal, solar return chart but guarantees – Your chart is a blueprint of your personality, facets and penchants and the whole chart is 'potential' for development. There is nothing guaranteed or fatalistic in charts, I do believe we still do have free will. I also believe we chose our parents and childhood circumstances best suited to learning those Lessons in the best way we can. I think it's worth bearing in mind that the natal chart, like solar returns is all about 'potential' but as we all know we don't always fulfil that potential do we. It's like someone saying you can predict death, but with modern medicine and sciences the way they are and the potential to 'die' three times in a life, doesn't mean to say you will does it I think lots of people have unrealistic expectations about what astrology can and can't do. astrology is an 'art, science and craft' and not clairvoyance either. If there were a formula or signature, don't you think we would ALL be using it? What Astrology Can and Can Not Do http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_kdvalue_e.htm
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Lonake
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posted January 30, 2012 01:45 PM
I've read this lady's blog, and she mentions a few natal factors, depending on if its a man or a woman, quote:
Afflictions between Sun and Mars, Sun and Uranus, Venus and Uranus and affliction between Mars and Saturn are the specific indications for divorce or an ended marriage in the chart of women. Men's charts with afflictions between Maan-Saturn, Moon-Neptune, Venus-Neptune and Mars-Uranus are more often the charts of divorced men. In general the position of Venus in Aries and Mars in Libra, and hard aspects between (the rulers of) the first and seventh house resonate difficulties in marriage and relationships. There are many examples on the blog Astrology&Love.
I like her cos she doesn't shy away from nasty events. She also writes a lot about my stellium. She's great with noticing patterns, but she does add in minor aspects. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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From: Saturn-free H12 ;)
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted January 30, 2012 02:12 PM
Interesting theory on Venus/Pluto/Saturn and beauty.
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