posted January 30, 2012 11:36 AM            

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Saturn in the Twelfth House:
suppresses depression. Of course everyone gets depressed now and then. But when someone with this placement gets depressed, the trap door to the subconscious swings open and all the old depression comes out. This can be temporarily immobilizing, the "I just can’t get out of bed today" syndrome. Folks with Saturn in the twelfth house are usually very reliable. Everybody else depends on them and leans on them as well. They have to find someone to lean on as well.

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In this lindaland thread about saturn in 12th house:

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Knowflake Kate Julie
The more you reveal how you feel the more easier it will be to feel better.

Of all the people i know with these placements, i think they also have a tendensy to push responsibility (saturn) to the back of their mind and dont actually deal with the issues that they are suppressing.

"Ignorance is bliss" can sometimes be said of this position but as soon as these people start dealing with their problems in practical, responsible ways (saturn)instead of being left to float around in the subconcious..(12th) they win!

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I think that is great advice and it works for me... though sharing still is hard and not to mention, it is very difficult for me to trust. ...then looking further down in the thread, she said:

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Knowflake Kate Julie
A 12th house saturn can have this problem of not trusting in lifes process..

Especially if saturn is deep in the 12th close to the ascendant (around 8degree orb) It can be hard to avoid the feeling of saturn sitting right on your shoulders like a grey cloud.

Alot of the reason behind this is because Saturn is synonyms with the word REALITY.

Basically i believe that a 12th house saturn needs to believe in themselves and the process of life. The more hardship you face the more ready you are for lifes next challenges. 12th Saturns, believe in life!and everyhing will fall into place...

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Hmmm... so saturn in 12th house also contribute to my trusting issue... and I thought that has to do with Pluto/scopio influences? Nevertheless, Saturn in 12th houses points to overcoming challenges and life will in turn be better...

I also have my Jupiter in 12th house probably which is why the Saturn in 12th is still tolerable.

Anyone has this placement?

posted January 30, 2012 11:40 AM              

saturn in or ruling 12th house can show a father either absent, missing or simply effectual in setting boundaries structures and alike in early childhood. psychological or physical absence of a father (or authority figure) who worked, or who provided a model for you in terms of discipline, organisation, and coping with the realities of everyday living, you were not encouraged to develop your ambition or your competitive spirit, or to believe in your potential for success. This can add listlessness and not finding ones direction

Serve or suffer are the keynotes here and the individual can choose which way he will take: but choose he must. Always a subconscious wish to retreat.
Craving for solitude. Great sensitivity. A deep seated selfishness has to be dissolved through suffering. These people need a sense of inner purpose and make good behind the scenes organisers. They often suffer from an inexplicable fear of authority or concern about the future, and should find a way to develop self confidence.
Capable of bringing stability into other people’s lives, by helping and organising those less fortunate than yourself.
Don’t like to acknowledge figures of authority (including parental)

Saturn can indicate deep seated loneliness, fear or guilt, despair or negativity which may be difficult to confront. But it also shows the ability to apply yourself with determination and/or ¬concen¬tration to some SOLITARY TASK perhaps to your work, which helps you to bring order to the internal chaos.

the often hidden weakness that having saturn here can suggest with Saturn or Capricorn here, you hesitate to openly express and come to terms with your negative feelings, particularly fear, guilt, loneliness, and mistrust. Because you haven't dealt with the fear and self doubt, which inhibit you, you may deny your desire for professional accomplishment. This Saturnian influence can manifest as psychological rigidity and withholding, due to inability to let go of past patterns. You above all, need to come to terms with your repression.

Saturn's strength and positive side here provides inner strength and self discipline, a capacity to cope with loneliness and handle responsibility, and a ¬willingness to work on your own with determination and ¬perseverance.

This house is where you learn to 'become whole' you could reject or deny someone you love.

for further clues as to how the 12th operates. look to where the ruler is and how it's aspected...
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

posted January 30, 2012 11:47 AM            

Father might as well have no existed. Constant fighting. Constant degrading. Constant marginalizing.

posted January 30, 2012 04:33 PM            

Saturn in 12th perhaps is also hard work and maybe ppl don't feel they work hard since they are "behind the scenes" but actually, they are serious, mature, and they work harder than anyone.....how's that interpretation sound? Does it apply to any saturn in 12th ppl?

I went thru a transiting saturn through my 12th house...wow..talk about digging up old skeletons. I cried alot, more than I've ever had in my life. I was thinking about things I would never think about before or had a worry about before...then all of a sudden, everything became important. Life was more "real"..especially trying to find what I wanna get out of it. I wasn't really laid back, I couldn't relax or stop thinking about these things. What hurts most is realizing things that's been buried deep for so long..and once it surfaced, it was like a ton of bricks (like someone said earlier).

posted January 30, 2012 07:27 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Saturn in 12th House here.

Father might as well have no existed. Constant fighting. Constant degrading. Constant marginalizing.

Don't like authority figures who are incompetent and/or irrational. Always question and butt heads with authority.

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posted January 30, 2012 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes, I've got Saturn in the 12th house. House ruler (moon) in the 8th. One website said this gives me a painful, horrific death to look forward to. Gee, can't wait for THAT.

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posted January 31, 2012 12:53 AM            

Saturn in 12th. interesting. nvr heard abt the missing father figure but fr the posts, it definately fits.

posted January 31, 2012 08:40 AM            

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WOW I have moon in 8th too I hope this is an exaggeration :-/

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That was on cafeastrology's webpage...she was quoting an older text, and she explained that these old readings tend to be "fatalistic" and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Still....

My parents both had long, excruciating deaths. So did my parents-in-law. It's not hard for me to imagine dying the same way.

posted January 31, 2012 08:49 AM            

Lilithpluto, I had a fun time in the service not respecting the higher ranks

posted January 31, 2012 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Not just missing father figure, but a general inability to submit to authority

Lilithpluto, I had a fun time in the service not respecting the higher ranks

Even today at work, the boss says something and I go.. yeah yeah yeah... shut up already... and then do my own thing

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lol... my other take on it. Not just the inability to submit to authority... but the sense of narcissim that no one can control me unless I let them.

posted January 31, 2012 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

My parents both had long, excruciating deaths. So did my parents-in-law. It's not hard for me to imagine dying the same way.

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posted January 31, 2012 10:37 AM            

I'm sorry to hear that about your parents and parents in law.

My mom took over 32 years to go. She had Alzheimer's beginning at 38 years old. That was how young she was. When she was 40 years old, she no longer recognized her husband or sons. She passed away 4 years ago in her 70s. She deteriorated over three decades of sufferring.

posted January 31, 2012 12:07 PM            

What else do you guys have in your 12th house?

I have a missing father figure my whole life (divorced mother before I was born) and an "absent" mother (actually me and my mother just don't mix..kinda like oil and water)...but I don't have saturn in the 12th..I have sun in the 12th!

I've always read up that 12th house is the "hidden" things about a person..subconscious..the storage room all the way in the back of the store.

posted January 31, 2012 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
Would saturn in the 12th indicate very private and secretive person? How private are all you 12th saturn-ians?

What else do you guys have in your 12th house?

I have a missing father figure my whole life (divorced mother before I was born) and an "absent" mother (actually me and my mother just don't mix..kinda like oil and water)...but I don't have saturn in the 12th..I have sun in the 12th!

I've always read up that 12th house is the "hidden" things about a person..subconscious..the storage room all the way in the back of the store.

How do you think 12th house planets have shaped you guys, especially those of you with saturn (maturity, restricton, responsibility)?

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