posted February 01, 2012 07:11 AM            

I thought I`d open a new thread with my reply to you, so we do not derail the other thread too much.

Lotis White,
"et me tell you, I have always enjoyed your posts as well, and find them to be spot on and interesting."
Thank you.

" I think we are like astrological kindred spirits, especially with the relationship/house synastry type stuff"
Yes, I think so, too.
It is so rare that I meet someone who speaks "my astrological language", but you do, and you do to a degree that is simply astounding.

But it is not only that you reflect back to me what I already know or believe or think, but you often add a certain something, that inspires me; sometimes it is something that I sort of sensed, but wasn`t conscious about before, like the secondary houserulers. And when you spelled it out, it really clicked.
my 3rd house Jupiter really loves it when pieces of the mental / astrological puzzle come together like this.

" believe it trines your Cancer Saturn (I remember your chart from your reading), and your Pisces Jupiter…..and your Moon in Aqua falls into my 3rd trining my Pluto in Libra, and sextiling my Neptune in Sagittarius….."
You have an amazing memory of my chart!

Yes, that is true. My Pisces Jupiter likes that trine to your uranus, being in 3rd house and your Uranus being in my 11th house of shared views.
Our synastry really emphasizes our occupation with astrology, doesn`t it? With Uranus and 11th house playing such a role?

"I believe you also have an Aquarius third house cusp…. "
Yes, with Pisces intercepted. I start out mentally like an Aquarius, but then you will discover the Neptunian flavour after a while.
Interestingly, in my solar arc I am having SA uranus conjunct Neptune currently (this being in my 1st house and on NN), so this definitely is a timeframe to delve into the Uranus-Neptune theme in my life, and it is so closely connected to the 3rd house (plus the 1st and 11th house).
Maybe it had even be fuelled by the recent mutual reception of Tr Uranus in Pisces and Tr Neptune in Aquarius, sort of a preparation or foreshadowing.

I feel I am disgressing here though; this happens a lot with me, must be Pisces in 3rd house. lol

"Your Uranus is at 1 degree of Scorpio and it is tringing my 0 degree Jupiter in Cancer, and my 0 degree Saturn in Virgo…"
That means we have three triangles synastrically involving Uranus- Jupiter-Saturn, with the majority being in water. I find that very interesting.
And with the same ASC chances are they are ruling similiar houses, well Jupiter rules our ASC, Uranus our 3rd house, and Saturn rules my 2nd house and yours, too?
Jupiter and Saturn are also traditional rulers of the 3rd house for me, and Saturn is the traditional ruler of your 3rd house as well. So a tight involvement of 3rd house, 1st house and 2nd house. That is very interesting.

"Personally, I think this bodes really well for having a strong mental affinity with somebody…"
Yes, I agree. I personally like Saturn-Uranus-aspects, even though they are said to be half-generational. But I like the balance of the old and the new.

Jupiter/Uranus brings this mental "zing" which often opens up new horizons, to bravely go where no man has gone before.
And all in relation to the 3rd house- so it has a lot to do with our thinking.

" having the Asc ruler aspecting the third house ruler going both ways is especially significant…."
I think so. Not to forget the 3rd house is our secondary DESC. Our Gemini DESC just craves mental stimulation and communication.

"Also the 9th house rules belief…..and my 9th house ruler is the Sun in Capricorn at 5 degrees and it’s conjunct your own Cappie Venus…and your 9th house ruler is the Sun also…."
Did you notice how we have an exchange of Venus and Sun? Your Venus in my Sunsign, and your Sun in my Venus-sign, and even more so, in conjunction?
For me that involves the 9th, 5th, 6th and 10th house.
For you it is the 9th, 6th and 11th house I think?

" And my Asc is conjunct your Sun at 25 Sagittarius… maybe this works for believing many of the same things?"
It surely gives this familiarity I think. And yes, beliefs may be similiar, my 9th house ruler is conjunct your ASC after all. And Sagittarius is vibing with 9th house anyway.

(to be cont.)

posted February 01, 2012 07:30 AM            

"and possibly even the rulers or the signs of the Vertex Axis…"
Yes, it makes sense to consider the rulers, as this is an axis of calculated points, just like the houses are or the nodal axis.
I`ve always considered my Moon and Saturn as "messengers" of my Vertex axis, just as I consider Mercury and Jupiter as messengers of my nodal axis. Mercury and Jupiter have quite a few functions in my chart I guess. Hope they don´t get overworked.

"like they resonate with your energy, in a personal meaningful sort of way, and kind of set you off in a new direction…."
Yes, perfect description of how the Vertex works; "setting you off in a new direction". Spot on.

"ertex Axis s9trong in their natal, they can have a similar kind of effect"
Another point to the Capricornians / Saturnians in my life.
Though when it comes to female friends / aquaitances / family members the sign of Cancer is really emphasized, I always wondered about that, but it is uncanny; they usually have ASC or Moon in Cancer.
My Mum and my best friend her have both ASC in Cancer.
My longest email friend and a very good online friend I unfortunately have lost contact with have both Moon in Cancer. Actualy the most lasting friendship I have through email is with a woman who has Moon AND ASC in Cancer (and her Sun-SAturn conjunct my Moon in Aquarius).
So you fit right in there with your Moon in Cancer.

" directly touch it….there is a symbolism match…"Yes, it may not be that headturning like Vertex usually is, but kind of a subtle, natural fitting.

"people with planets in Aquarius have this effect too… "
I have Moon in Aquarius and my secondary Moon (as per your theory) is in Scorpio.
And the ruler of my Moon obviously is in Scorpio as well.
(It helps understanding my mum, too, as my Uranus conjuncts her Scorpio-Sun).

"If you include my Vertex axis rulers…. Venus in Sag, and Pluto in Libra this adds another level as well…"
I can contribute a bit of Sag here, and maybe a little bit of LIbra with my MC being there, though probably that is more a "social trait" for me.

"I don’t remember the exact degrees of your Vertex Axis, although I do believe that it spans twenty something of Capricorn and Cancer…."
good memory!
Vertex/Antivertex is on 21 Cancer-Capricorn, with my Sun/Moon-mp being on 21 Capricorn as well (and EROS on 21 Cancer - this axis is my very personal "speer of destiny" I guess).

"Perhaps if we met in person we’d have a kind of a Vertex-like friendship. And it totally explains why we like each other’s posts in particular"
I agree. Maybe we should write a book.
I mean, in the composite we must have a Sun-Venus-conjunction in grounded Capricorn, with Sun ruling the 9th house, Venus ruling the 6th house.
3rd house ruler Uranus probably in 11th house, would be opposing ASC-ruler Jupiter, though I think there might be a square to 2nd houseruler Saturn - maybe we would not earn that much money with it; but at least we should be having a lot of fun with the Jupiter-Uranus-opposition from 5th to 11th house.

"…This is so fun…. When you can see actual evidence of astrology in action even with online connections…"
Definitely.
I love that.

posted February 04, 2012 05:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Did you know that my equatorial ASC is on 4 Capricorn, and therefore conjunct your Sun?

"and possibly even the rulers or the signs of the Vertex Axis…"
Yes, it makes sense to consider the rulers, as this is an axis of calculated points, just like the houses are or the nodal axis.
I`ve always considered my Moon and Saturn as "messengers" of my Vertex axis, just as I consider Mercury and Jupiter as messengers of my nodal axis. Mercury and Jupiter have quite a few functions in my chart I guess. Hope they don´t get overworked.

"like they resonate with your energy, in a personal meaningful sort of way, and kind of set you off in a new direction…."
Yes, perfect description of how the Vertex works; "setting you off in a new direction". Spot on.

"ertex Axis s9trong in their natal, they can have a similar kind of effect"
Another point to the Capricornians / Saturnians in my life.
Though when it comes to female friends / aquaitances / family members the sign of Cancer is really emphasized, I always wondered about that, but it is uncanny; they usually have ASC or Moon in Cancer.
My Mum and my best friend her have both ASC in Cancer.
My longest email friend and a very good online friend I unfortunately have lost contact with have both Moon in Cancer. Actualy the most lasting friendship I have through email is with a woman who has Moon AND ASC in Cancer (and her Sun-SAturn conjunct my Moon in Aquarius).
So you fit right in there with your Moon in Cancer.

" directly touch it….there is a symbolism match…"Yes, it may not be that headturning like Vertex usually is, but kind of a subtle, natural fitting.

"people with planets in Aquarius have this effect too… "
I have Moon in Aquarius and my secondary Moon (as per your theory) is in Scorpio.
And the ruler of my Moon obviously is in Scorpio as well.
(It helps understanding my mum, too, as my Uranus conjuncts her Scorpio-Sun).

"If you include my Vertex axis rulers…. Venus in Sag, and Pluto in Libra this adds another level as well…"
I can contribute a bit of Sag here, and maybe a little bit of LIbra with my MC being there, though probably that is more a "social trait" for me.

"I don’t remember the exact degrees of your Vertex Axis, although I do believe that it spans twenty something of Capricorn and Cancer…."
good memory!
Vertex/Antivertex is on 21 Cancer-Capricorn, with my Sun/Moon-mp being on 21 Capricorn as well (and EROS on 21 Cancer - this axis is my very personal "speer of destiny" I guess).

"Perhaps if we met in person we’d have a kind of a Vertex-like friendship. And it totally explains why we like each other’s posts in particular"
I agree. Maybe we should write a book.
I mean, in the composite we must have a Sun-Venus-conjunction in grounded Capricorn, with Sun ruling the 9th house, Venus ruling the 6th house.
3rd house ruler Uranus probably in 11th house, would be opposing ASC-ruler Jupiter, though I think there might be a square to 2nd houseruler Saturn - maybe we would not earn that much money with it; but at least we should be having a lot of fun with the Jupiter-Uranus-opposition from 5th to 11th house.

"…This is so fun…. When you can see actual evidence of astrology in action even with online connections…"
Definitely.
I love that.

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Yeah, I think we could write an amazing book about astro synastry/ house rulers etc. I’d probably have to some type of free online thing or something as we are not professional astrologers (unless there’s something I don’t know) with a big reputation, and a list of hundreds of clients…. My dream would be to catch the attention of a reputed professional astrologer and to have them study the Primary/Secondary house cusp thing….

I honestly believe that using Primary and Secondary house cusps is a valid astrological technique that works…. And can offer so much more extra insight into the natal chart and synastry as well…

One thing I’ve been pondering lately is the sign of the cusp vs. the sign of the cusp ruler issue… and I was wondering about your insight on this…

For instance, you have mentioned how you have a Taurus 5th house cusp ruled by Venus in Capricorn… but seem to feel a much stronger romantic pull to Capricorn then to Taurus…

In my case, Aries is on the 5th house cusp ruled by Mars in Leo…..and although I do find Leo qualities very attractive (I tend to fall for extrovert, ‘funny guy’ types who don’t mind being the centre of attention) …. In terms of the actual sign I find most attractive, I’d say I’m more attracted to Aries, than Leo….

So it seems that with the signs of the cusp and the ruler, that one sign will represent more the actual SIGN that we go for, while the other sign represents more QUALITIES, or some ASPECT OF THE RELATIONSHIP that we’re attracted to….

However which sign (of the cusp or the ruler) plays which role is so far unpredictable to me at least….

Using another example, we both have a Gemini Dsc, with a Sag Mercury ruling the cusp… and in both of our cases from what I’ve observed we both seem to prefer Sag to Gemini….but to greatly appreciate Gemini like qualities in a relationship… mutual intellectual stimulation, excellent communication….

So in our case it seems the 7th house cusp ruler shows the sign most likely to be attractive, while the Gemini cusp is more a about the desired qualities in a relationship (although in my case I actually did have one crush on a Gemini, but he had some Aries planets in my 5th house…. but if I had to choose between partnering with a Sag or a Gemini… I’d usually pick Sag. I can be attracted to Gem, but the pull towards Sag as a sign is way more dominant ).

But perhaps a different person with the same Gem 7th house, with a Sag Mercury ruling it, would have a totally different perspective… like they usually fall for Geminis by sign, but that these Geminis are usually well traveled, foreign, or heavily involved in higher education…. In their case, the Sag Mercury would be more about external qualities to the person, or the relationship, rather then the actual sign to which they have the most attraction…

I was wondering if you’d ever noticed a pattern to how this pans out… it’s hard to predict whether it’s the sign of the cusp, or the cusp ruler, that’s going to represent which sign we like most….and conversely…. Whether it’s the sign of the cusp, or the ruler, that represents more the external qualities that we seek in the relationship…

Then there are those people who are all over the map. Where they are actually attracted to both signs (of the ruler and the cusp) with pretty much equal strength, and neither one seems to dominate….. Also, sometimes people flip flop the roles of the sign of the cusp, and the cusp ruler, at different times of their lives….

For example, Taurus Dsc with Venus in Leo…. May have a first love who is a Taurus stellium actress, who is connected with celebrities and show biz….. but then later on in life…. They settle down with a Leo stellium who is more of a homemaker, earth mother type, that loves tending her garden and sewing homemade dresses…

So yeah, when I look at house cusp… I always know that both the sign of the cusp and the ruler are relevant…. But HOW they are each going to be relevant is unpredictable….

Seems to work the same way with planets in the 5th and 7th, and 8th house as well…. Sometimes a planet in a house will strongly show what actual sign is most attractive to a native…. Like Uranus in the 7th showing a love for people with strong Aqua placements in the chart… but sometimes a planet in a house just shows dominant external qualities of the relationship…

…Like that Cap guy, YoursTruelyAlways, whose thread we posted on…. He has Uranus in Virgo in the 7th, but his wife is a Leo with Moon in Gemini, and a Virgo stellium in his 7th house…. (interestingly his Virgo 7th house cusp = the 6th house cusp, and his 6th house cusp is in Leo….her Sun sign). She does not have Aqua prominent in her chart…. but their relationship is very ‘Uranian’ in the sense that they are an odd match… a southern white woman from the US married to a Chinese man…. And, if I remember correctly from his posts, they met and married very suddenly after a whirlwind romance of a month or two (I guess, I can’t remember the exact duration of the courtship…only that it was very short)…this sudden happening of marriage, like lightening striking, is a very typical Uranus in the 7th type occurrence…

I just wish I knew an astrological way to determine whether it’s gonna be the sign of the cusp, or it’s ruler, (or a planet in that house)…. that shows which sign has the biggest pull romantically….that is, when looking at the 5th, 7th or 8th houses…. And conversely, which factors are more about external qualities and circumstances sought in a relationship….

Like I do know this one Cancer women who also has Moon in Taurus, and Sag rising…. She has a Gemini Dsc, ruled by Mercury in Leo…. And her third house cusp is in Aqua ruled by Uranus in Scorpio…

She says that most of all her major boyfriends have been Aquarius guys…. And the man she ended up married to is an Aquarius with Moon in Scorpio…. So in her case she actually seems to resonate more with her Secondary Dsc by sign…. Perhaps, for her, both the Leo and Gemini parts are more about external qualities, and relationship circumstances…then the actual signs strong in her husband chart?

Any thoughts on this particular topic…

posted February 04, 2012 09:13 PM            

And my Equatorial Asc is at about 6 degrees Sagittarius…. I think on your Asc/ Mars…

Yeah, I strongly suspect that the EP (Equatorial Asc, or Eastern Point), like the Vertex, is an important point in the chart that can be very compelling when people touch it… I read that the EP shows where our personal biases are, and how others influence our self evaluation…

This is a part of an essay I read on the net by astrologer Michael Munkasey called “The Personal Sensitive Points (PSPs) of Astrology”

“There is a part of our mind where we go to relax, take stock of what is happening, evaluate life and our attitudes, perhaps even form new attitudes. The prejudices we were taught, or the prejudices we were born with, reside in the EQA region of mind. It is here that we go when we are half-asleep or half-awake to formulate impressions of how we are performing or progressing in life.
The EQA is where we go to evaluate self and life and how self is reacting
to life. The EQA represents idea and image formation, or idea birth. The
EQA is where we go to evaluate self. The EQA is where we go to evaluate
how we "think" others do or do not accept us. Many of the reactions that
go on at the EQA level are only half-conscious. Self-evaluation is an
important concept for the EQA.”

My thoughts on this, are that people who aspect the EP, or EQA, by synastry resonate with our arbitrary biases in some way…. Like both people just happen to think that maroon is better than pink, or think that one type of accent sounds better than another, or they have the same social standards of what type behavior is acceptable or not….

Positive EP synastry, at least, would have a positive effect on our self evaluation… because, in theory, our personal biases of what is considered good or bad, or positive or negative… would be supported, and re-enforced, by the people who conjoin or positively aspect the EP. These people would validate us in our personal beliefs….

Perhaps negative aspects to the EP would have an opposite effect…. Are feeling of having your personal biases unappreciated or invalidated?

I think it’s interesting to compare the EP to the Vertex in terms of influence to get a ‘feel’ for how each one works differently…

The Vertex is about the people and times in our lives where we experience meaningful turning points. And it has a very electric, poignant, exciting feel to it….. The EP, on the other hand, seems to be about where we need validation for our personal preferences, biases, and conceptions of how things ‘should be‘…. And it seems to have more of a soothing, confirming, bolstering quality to it….

The Vertex stirs up change, infatuations, and the feeling that your life is unfolding towards some important destination ….while the EP lulls you into contentment, giving the feeling that your subjective standards are being met, or that something, or someone, are just as they’re ‘supposed’ to be….(or perhaps not as they are ‘supposed’ to be, if the aspect to the EP is a square…. oppositions to the EP could potentially be positive just like oppositions to the Vertex are, because of the connection to the axis itself as a whole).

posted February 05, 2012 01:30 PM            

"Hmm, seems my reply to you disappeared. Well, I give it some time, maybe it is going to reappear again."

"You know, I had some replies disappear as well. But, fortunately, I’d originally written it all out on a word document so I just reposted it. Something funny is going on with Lindaland."

Don't mean to intrude on your conversation at all, but sometimes the LL sever acts up (I checked this w/ Randall when I experienced the same thing). It happens intermittently. So if you have a longish post or something imp. I think it's best (as LW said) to put it on word document for reposting if needed.

posted February 18, 2012 09:00 AM            

"One thing I’ve been pondering lately is the sign of the cusp vs. the sign of the cusp ruler issue… and I was wondering about your insight on this…"
I`ve been pondering about this as well.

I do not have a valid answer I fear; but I can maybe explain my thoughts about why it plays out on my chart the way it does.

I usually can`t stand Gemini planets. I have known a guy with Taurus Sun and Venus and Mars in Gemini on my DESC, inside my 7th house. I could not stand him for the most part.

Anyway, Gemini is opposing my Sag stellium with most of my personal planets / points.
Now I know that oppositions can be magnetizing, sparkly.
It doesn`t seem to be the case with me, when it comes to Gemini.
I think at least one reason for that is that I do not have planets in Gemini, plus my 7th house ruler is in Sag, same sign as most of my personal planets. Gemini itself is associcated with 3rd house; all of this indicates me more of a "similiarity" girl, than strictly seeking the opposite.
It seems to show that I really seek someone who is similiar to me, almost like a "mirror", more the conjunction type than the opposition type.

On top of that Gemini is quinkunx my Venus.

All of this is true ESPECIALLY for placements in early Gemini, even though they are conjunct my DESC (they DO make me pay attention though; I just don`t like them).

The big exception to that are the middegrees of Gemini. These are the only degrees of planets I have ever felt comfortable with. As a matter of fact there is a very friendly, comfortable vibration around them, and I tend to like people who have personal planets there, but more in a friendly, sisterly way.

Now, these degrees are conjunct my Karma on 16 Gemini and trine my Moon on 17 Aquarius.

So, for me this seems to explain it, but I am no sure it is for everyone the same.

"For instance, you have mentioned how you have a Taurus 5th house cusp ruled by Venus in Capricorn… but seem to feel a much stronger romantic pull to Capricorn then to Taurus…"
Yes, though truth be told, there were some Taurus-placements that were "crushworthy" to me. But never the Sun!
Usually it were Venus and Mars; and only on degrees that were trine my Venus and funnily square my Moon.

Anyway maybe I can offer an attempt of explanation from my natal, even though it could be a bit farfetched.
The ruler of my 5th house is in 1st house, so there is a trine-relationship between these two houses, which might explain why I like trines to my 5th house ruler (too far fetched? ).

my secondary 5th house is the 2nd house with its ruler in 8th house, and both 2nd and 8th house relate to the 5th house per square.
So maybe that is that for my chart. Also interesting to note that Moon relates to my secondary 5th house, and that I react positively to squares from the 5th house to my Moon.
And the ruler of my primary 5th house is VENUS and relating by trine to the primary 5th house itself, and I love these trines to Venus from the 5th house.

Well, I do also love squares to Venus, and trines to Moon, truth be told.

posted February 18, 2012 09:25 AM            

Leo and Aries are both compatible with your ASC; Mercury and Venus.
They relate in difficult ways to your Sun and Moon, but I think Aries wins in that case.
Aries is in square-relation to your Sun and Moon.
Leo is in semisextile - quinkunx relation to your Sun and Moon.
Squares tend to arouse a lot of energy and make for an energetic exchange though quite bumpy and tensed at times.
I`d say the ARies guys get your attention more easily.

I wonder though if you might have a thing for guys who are conjunct your Mars in Leo?

I don´t know if that might be a way, but maybe we should check the relation between the houses of the DESC (7th house of course) and this of the DESC-ruler, and how the sign placements of DESC and DESC-ruler are interacting with our personal planets.

"8th house as well…."
8th house for me:
Cancer on the cusp, SAturn in it, ruler of 8th house in Aquarius.

I almost never feel attracted in a positive way to Cancer planets. Most of the time I do not even notice these people, or they annoy me.

I do resonate with Aquarians, but not in the typical 8th house fashion I guess.
But give me a SAturn and you have my motor running. lol

I would translate it back to sign placements, and so I have this emphasis of Cancer, Aquarius, and Capricorn.

Why not Cancer?
Cancer opposes my Venus, but only those Cancer planets which actually are in my 7th house do so per degree; at the same time Cancer is quinkunx my Sag-planets and Moon.
(as a matter of fact oppositions of planets in Cancer to my Venus are VERY primal intense and passionate for me)

Why not really Aquarius?
After all it is the sign placement of my Moon.
AQuarius is sextile my Sag planets, and does not even really notice my Cap Venus, so I`d say that is why it has more of a friendly vibe.

And then there is Cap. I should not even be drawn to Cap at all. After all it is semisextile my Moon, Sun, Mars, ASC. It`s only my Venus that is pulled so strongly towards Cap energy, but for some reason it becomes overwhelming.

oh btw the ruler of my 8th house is in 2nd house - so there is an opposite energy relating to my 8th house. Since the cusp is in Cancer, it might contribute to the attraction to Cap. But I don´t know, maybe I am reaching here.

But no I don`t really know how to predict this.

posted February 18, 2012 09:56 AM            

Aquarius is: conjunct her Sun, opposite her Mars, sextile her Venus
Capricorn is opposite her ASC and Moon

I think she relats to both, and she needs a lot of intensity in her relationship; she might be one of those who prefer the opposite.

Anyway she fell in love with a man who has Sun conjunct Uranus in Leo (perfectly embodying her DESC-ruler in Aquarius conjunct Sun!)
He also has Saturn in 1st house.

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another friend of mine has also Capricorn on the cusp of DESC with SAturn in Leo.
Capricorn is squaring her Mercury-Venus-Mars-Pluto stellium in Libra and also squares her MOon in Aries.

Leo is sextiling her LIbra stellium and trines her Moon.

She was dating a guy with Sun-Venus-Mars-Uranus-ASC stellium in LIbra in 1st house for 7 years, but it didn`t end well.

She is now married to a man with Sun-ASC conjunction in Capricorn exactly on her DESC. Another one with Sun in 1st house. lol

She seems to definitely go for the intensity of conjunction and square (Capricorn and Libra) instead of the nice sextile/ trine that Leo would make to her LIbra stellium and Moon in ARies.

I think the reason for that might be that she has this T-square of Mercury-Venus-Mars-Pluto in Libra opposing Moon in Aries squaring ASC in Cancer.
She simply NEEDS that intensity.

Had she had her stellium in Sagittarius with Moon in Leo and ASC in Cancer, I think she might have rather gone for the Leo guys as her DESC-ruler in Leo implies.

So I think I`d check for:

1. the sign placements of the personal planets and how they harmonize with either placement (7th house or 7th house ruler)

2. the aspectual interconnection of the personal planets (are they harmonious or do they indicate a preference for squares, opposition s etc).

posted February 19, 2012 01:24 AM            

I feel like my ascendant & the way I act would say that I only skim read the conversation, (which is definately scattered Gemini) although that is not the case! Like my moon in SAGITTARIUS, I did read the conversation!
I know its rude for me to intrude like this; But I was rather dissapointed you didn't respond to my post in that CELEB CRUSHES thread. Maybe you were busy, maybe you were blowing me off. IDK

P.s. I myself am a 3rd cancer, ascendant gemini, and mars scorpio in the SIXTH HOUSE (very much not leo energy. although stellium in 5th) so, according to your former conversations with Lotis Person, you have all of the reason to hate me! (KIDDING. lolz) (P.S.I don't mean it literally. I mean it as a gateway for "Oh no, I don't hate you. The reason I didn't respond was because.." ETC. )

posted February 19, 2012 02:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:

P.s. I myself am a 3rd cancer, ascendant gemini, and mars scorpio in the SIXTH HOUSE (very much not leo energy. although stellium in 5th) so, according to your former conversations with Lotis Person, you have all of the reason to hate me! (KIDDING. lolz) (P.S.I don't mean it literally. I mean it as a gateway for "Oh no, I don't hate you. The reason I didn't respond was because.." ETC. )

I guess I'll just crawl away now, like that other person.
*Hops out of thread & shouts out.*
BYE!

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I was just thinking the same thing, and hoping that I had never (or hardly ever) been "too much" - I know I can be when I'm too energetic or too mopey (one of my dogs was staring at me, fascinated, when I was talking a lot to my parents earlier; my dad laughed, and pointed at her face. I interpreted the look as, "Wow, this girl can talk. )

posted February 19, 2012 05:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Thanks Ceridwen! I'm glad you finally got back to this thread. You've given me some stuff to mull over... I'll be back with a reply soon.

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Sorry for taking so long with my reply.
I am really looking forward to hearing your thoughts though.

posted February 19, 2012 05:27 AM            

"But I was rather dissapointed you didn't respond to my post in that CELEB CRUSHES thread. Maybe you were busy, maybe you were blowing me off. IDK"
No, I wasn`t blowing you off. I just noticed that it was already 3 a.m. and I figured I should be going to bed, that`s all.
So if I disappear like that it usually is that either it is time for bed or something in my life here needs my immediate attention.
So if it happens again, don´t take it personal.

"you have all of the reason to hate me!"
Nah, of course I don`t.

posted February 19, 2012 05:30 AM            

you didn`t intrude.
This is a public messageboard after all, and I am sure Lotis White doesn`t mind other people sharing their thoughts here, too. In fact it might keep the discussion energetic and inspire new ideas to develop.

posted February 20, 2012 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Teasel,

you didn`t intrude.
This is a public messageboard after all, and I am sure Lotis White doesn`t mind other people sharing their thoughts here, too. In fact it might keep the discussion energetic and inspire new ideas to develop.

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Agreed. I just want to state for the record that I have absolutely no problem with other people contributing to the conversation… so if anyone has comments, or some interesting examples they’d like the share, by all means please do!

posted February 20, 2012 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Also I’ve just realized that I have a busy couple of days ahead so it may take me a while to get back to this thread… but I will be back.

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Don`t worry about that. I had gone missing because of my schedule (and my studies of Magi astrology) for quite long as well.

I simply will wait patiently (well as patient as us Sag-Mercuries can be ) for your insights, when you return.

posted February 25, 2012 08:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lotis White,

"One thing I’ve been pondering lately is the sign of the cusp vs. the sign of the cusp ruler issue… and I was wondering about your insight on this…"
I`ve been pondering about this as well.

I do not have a valid answer I fear; but I can maybe explain my thoughts about why it plays out on my chart the way it does.

I usually can`t stand Gemini planets. I have known a guy with Taurus Sun and Venus and Mars in Gemini on my DESC, inside my 7th house. I could not stand him for the most part.

Anyway, Gemini is opposing my Sag stellium with most of my personal planets / points.
Now I know that oppositions can be magnetizing, sparkly.
It doesn`t seem to be the case with me, when it comes to Gemini.
I think at least one reason for that is that I do not have planets in Gemini, plus my 7th house ruler is in Sag, same sign as most of my personal planets. Gemini itself is associcated with 3rd house; all of this indicates me more of a "similiarity" girl, than strictly seeking the opposite.
It seems to show that I really seek someone who is similiar to me, almost like a "mirror", more the conjunction type than the opposition type.

On top of that Gemini is quinkunx my Venus.

All of this is true ESPECIALLY for placements in early Gemini, even though they are conjunct my DESC (they DO make me pay attention though; I just don`t like them).

The big exception to that are the middegrees of Gemini. These are the only degrees of planets I have ever felt comfortable with. As a matter of fact there is a very friendly, comfortable vibration around them, and I tend to like people who have personal planets there, but more in a friendly, sisterly way.

Now, these degrees are conjunct my Karma on 16 Gemini and trine my Moon on 17 Aquarius.

So, for me this seems to explain it, but I am no sure it is for everyone the same.

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I like your notions about the house of you 5th,7th and 8th house rulers, and the rest of your chart in general, influencing your attraction patterns. Like you I have a Sag stellium, with my Dsc ruler being in Sag, and conjunct my Asc… the 1st house is connected with conjunctions in general, and seeing as my Dsc ruler is conjunct my own Asc…. Perhaps this emphasizes the ‘Sagittariusness’ of my taste. Hence, I tend to prefer Sag over Gemini usually… however when planets in Gemini aspect my chart in certain ways it does grab my attention… like when they oppose my Venus, or Dsc ruler Mercury (although sometimes this can turn into arguing if the person is female, but if they are male it‘s creates a kind of attraction)… actually when I was younger I used to think that Gemini’s were kind of annoying, cos they focus too much on trivial things… but then in my mid twenties I had a thing for one… his Sun in Gemini was actually in my sixth house, but it sextiled my 5th house ruler Mars in Leo, and was opposed my EP….

Yeah, I totally get what your saying about aspects influencing how we relate to our 5th , 7th, and 8th house synastry with others. The signs of these cusps, and of the cusp rulers (as well as aspects to the cusp rulers) seem to indicate the CHARACTERISTICS we identify as attractive…. while the aspects to our house rulers, from others, show how actual CHEMISTRY is experienced…

From this perspective you can have CHEMISTRY with a planet of any sign provided it aspects your 5th ,7th or 8th house rulers in a favorable way… I’ve noticed that any aspect to my Dsc ruler Mercury at 22 degrees of Sag, can press my buttons (except for the quincunx which just makes me feel weird and out of place), even squares work (although this is not always pleasant)…. However, sextiles and trines come out on top in terms of having the most favorable reaction out of me…. Planets at around 22 degrees of Aries are especially attractive to me, probably because not only are these planets sitting in my 5th house, but they also aspect my 7th house ruler by trine…

posted February 26, 2012 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lotis White,

"For instance, you have mentioned how you have a Taurus 5th house cusp ruled by Venus in Capricorn… but seem to feel a much stronger romantic pull to Capricorn then to Taurus…"
Yes, though truth be told, there were some Taurus-placements that were "crushworthy" to me. But never the Sun!
Usually it were Venus and Mars; and only on degrees that were trine my Venus and funnily square my Moon.

Anyway maybe I can offer an attempt of explanation from my natal, even though it could be a bit farfetched.
The ruler of my 5th house is in 1st house, so there is a trine-relationship between these two houses, which might explain why I like trines to my 5th house ruler (too far fetched? ).

my secondary 5th house is the 2nd house with its ruler in 8th house, and both 2nd and 8th house relate to the 5th house per square.
So maybe that is that for my chart. Also interesting to note that Moon relates to my secondary 5th house, and that I react positively to squares from the 5th house to my Moon.
And the ruler of my primary 5th house is VENUS and relating by trine to the primary 5th house itself, and I love these trines to Venus from the 5th house.

Well, I do also love squares to Venus, and trines to Moon, truth be told.

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Not to far fetched I’d say… the thing I’m learning about astrology the more I study it is that in terms of symbolism ‘everything’ works… just the extent to which it works depends on other factors involved.

posted February 27, 2012 10:17 AM            

This is really not funny anymore.