posted February 10, 2012 08:21 PM            

I express love by doing things for you like folding your laundry, buying you snacks, rubbing your back, etc.

posted February 11, 2012 12:04 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'm just glad I'm earth because I cannot relate to anything in this thread. Mind games and power etc to me are just recipes for disaster. To me, those neither indicate honesty nor sincerity. I'm a dominant and hyper competitive person, and so is my Leo wife. Neither of us would accept mind games in the slightest extent. We yield the leadership to each other out of love and respect. Try to control either of us and that would be the last of you. I would ruthlessly beat a manipulative person to a pulp and my Leo wife would tear the person apart, swallow and then spit the BS out the back. The irony is that we have like five planets, including sun, in Scorpio, and we cannot relate to any of this. Honestly, manipulation and control are about my most hated characteristics in people. My Earth self can smell a game from a mile away and would never participate in such games. Plus my wife is the expert at tearing others a new a$$h0le that they'll be sorry that they ever tried their hand at a mind game.

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posted February 11, 2012 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by AmethystOrnella:
The tests are for us, if there are any. Scorpios are very sensitive, we're like wells, we hold most of our emotions, and when we're in a relationship, we're giving some power to whoever we're with. Not everyone can handle that responsibility. It's how we protect ourselves. Not everyone can handle the tests, but not everyone can handle the intensity either. Not all of us test you until we feel like we have to. When we love you, it's all or nothing. We express our love more physically than verbally though. The possessiveness, I'm kind of like that with my bestfriend too, I don't mean to be, but we demand some sort of loyalty. The clinginess, the sex, the wanting to merge souls or probing deep into the other peroson. That's love.

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posted February 11, 2012 05:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Libreo:
This might seem like a strange question but does anyone think Scorpio has the same tendency as Pisces where Pisces becomes a chameleon and takes on the same interests/personality as the person they are interested in?

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i think that can actually be a libra trait. at least for me and looking at my own chart. i have sun and venus in 7th the libra house. i can be so interested in something my partner is interested in but my interest is genuine.

posted February 11, 2012 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Libreo:
This might seem like a strange question but does anyone think Scorpio has the same tendency as Pisces where Pisces becomes a chameleon and takes on the same interests/personality as the person they are interested in?

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I am a Pisces sun with a Scorpio asc and I do neither...course my huge Aqua influence probably helps , IF a love interest doesnt accept me the way I am, then nevermind.

posted February 11, 2012 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
..and some of us have said that we don't play head games. I have no earth, either - fire, water, air.

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Let me make myself clear. Manipulative, possessive, jealous and mind control behavior is the behavior of infantile insecure inadequate undesirable lowlife scumbags of both genders regardless of astrology.

posted February 11, 2012 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Let me make myself clear. Manipulative, possessive, jealous and mind control behavior is the behavior of infantile insecure inadequate undesirable lowlife scumbags of both genders regardless of astrology.

Anyone wants to call me out, bring it on.

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posted February 11, 2012 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:

The point is that some signs (usually the water signs) have more indirect, round-about ways to achieve what other signs do in a straightforward manner. Also, water signs usually cover up insecurities and moodiness and a volatile mind and heart so they often seem less "reliable" than say a fire sign but it doesn't automatically make them "evil" people.

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No anongrl10, I know better than to judge anybody by their sign, notwithstanding the fact that I'm expressing my displeasure via a personal judgment.

I speak only for myself. I can smell those "testing and "games" from a mile away. For example, I never contacted the last girl that had an interest but intentionally played hard. When confronted, I just said, "you showed disinterest, and I'm not into wasting your time and my time." "But I'm interested in getting together." "Too late, I got someone else who tells me the way it is."

I'm sick and tired of the nonsense that "we are intense and you cannot handle the intensity." You know what is intense? The front of my shoes making contact with your butt.

I call you and leave you one message. Then you don't reply to two more messages. Its three strikes and you're out, and I've moved on to someone far more deserving.

posted February 11, 2012 03:31 PM            

My mom, a Cancer, is doing my head in when she wants something from me because she has this round-about way that completely breaks my nuts! I'm like "Out with it, woman! What do you want?!" LOL

posted February 11, 2012 04:29 PM            

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The only two Pisces people I know are my father and my older son, and I can't stand their round about ways! LOL. Spit it out already, or just shut up!! Anyway, just shut up already Hahaha.

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That's just sad... Some signs are more sensitive than others, Pisces topping that list. Not everyone can verbally express their emotions or what they need on the spot when they are having a strong emotion. Perhaps you should respect that.

You want to say how horrible manipulative people are for jerking you around, but it's just as damaging to be a jerk to someone's face, even if you are 'joking.'

Anyway... I did not come to this thread to flame anyone or start a flame war. I came to say this:

Not all Scorpio risings are going to manipulate and play you. If you aren't OK with it in someone else, then don't put up with it. Walk away. Simple as that. Some people can be reasoned with, some can't. You just find the common ground or you walk.

That's always the way I've dealt with manipulative people. I will admit that sometimes I put up with manipulation/coercion to try to figure out WHY the person is doing it, and ultimately, my conclusion usually is that insecurity is involved, and the person just doesn't 'get' where I'm coming from.

I'm incredibly honest and upfront with who I am, and I always have been... And I am a Scorpio rising. But I know that not every Scorpio rising is that way- but honestly, I've seen other signs manipulate others as well. Geminis outright lie, Cancers/Virgos use guilt trips, Sagittarius exaggerates, Aries feeds the flames of anger, etc, etc, etc. I could go on. Every sign uses manipulation tactics at some point, but it's not always seen as manipulation. There is covert manipulation and overt manipulation. There's also 'influence.' Just depends on the strings you pull whether consciously or not.

And truthfully Ian, I am surprised that you do not understand this, being in the field you are in... Or perhaps you understand it TOO WELL and therefore don't tolerate even the hint of it. That's fine, but I think sometimes people jump to conclusions incorrectly. B.S. is always B.S. but sometimes misunderstandings happen too- and it is INTERPRETED as 'manipulation' because such-and-such IS A SCORPIO or has a SCORPIO RISING. There are excuses for everything.

Sorry about the rant OP, but I sometimes I just feel the need to jump in and say something when people turn what should be a thread about positive attributes into negative ones.

posted February 11, 2012 05:17 PM            

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And truthfully Ian, I am surprised that you do not understand this, being in the field you are in... Or perhaps you understand it TOO WELL and therefore don't tolerate even the hint of it. That's fine, but I think sometimes people jump to conclusions incorrectly. B.S. is always B.S. but sometimes misunderstandings happen too- and it is INTERPRETED as 'manipulation' because such-and-such IS A SCORPIO or has a SCORPIO RISING. There are excuses for everything.

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I make a living separating grain from chaff. I neither have patience nor tolerance for circuitious speech, parsed nuanced statements nor mental subtexts. Neither does my fire sign wife, and in fact she's worse than I am.

I'll go out and criticize someone of my wife's sun sign of Leo. "I did not have.. relations..." Just the same, regardless of how legalistically correct that nuanced statement was, the intent was a lie. I hate deceit and lies.

posted February 11, 2012 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
Hm..something's definitely up then, why don't you ask? You HAVE to be honest with them and straightforward.

I'm a scorp rising dating a scorp man. He wouldn't stop replying to my texts outta no where..UNLESS I said something wrong that rubbed him the wrong way. Besides that he'll always get back to me. (It's okay, it takes time to realize it AFTER the fact)

Example:
(text before this had instant replies)
Me: I went to lunch with mr.x
Me: Btw I ordered us some stuff from amazon, just FYI it's gonna ship over in the next few days ok?
Him: (No answer at all.)
Him -
ordering stuff and having it shipped over: [b]ok.
Lunch with some other guy: not really ok.

Be honest with us. Very important. We will be honest and we are honest people (like Tautomer said) or atleast most of us. Don't beat around the bush! [/B]

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Oh yes I'm honest. But I don't feel like calling someone who has not texted me or called me after I texted days ago to say goodnight

posted February 11, 2012 07:02 PM              

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Originally posted by IamLoved:
Oh yes I'm honest. But I don't feel like calling someone who has not texted me or called me after I texted days ago to say goodnight

Am I wrong?

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posted February 11, 2012 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:

Nope. Whatever his reason for doing that, he's not worth your time or emotions. A guy who is actually into you wouldn't behave in a halfhearted manner.

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You're right!

This is what happened.....

The most recent time we spoke was about 4 days ago. He called me. We had a good conversation, with laughs and all!

And that same day (in the night) I texted him to wish him a goodnight and he hasn't called or texted me yet!!!

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I don't know what to think. Honestly, I think he is trying to get to me. He probably thinks I'm going to call him or text him asking him "how come he hasn't called"

posted February 12, 2012 12:01 AM            

"Not all Scorpio risings are going to manipulate and play you. If you aren't OK with it in someone else, then don't put up with it. Walk away. Simple as that. Some people can be reasoned with, some can't. You just find the common ground or you walk."

Indeed.If you can't deal with it, we won't chase u. If you're worth us chasing you, u wouldn't be getting tested in the first place.

posted February 12, 2012 04:53 AM            

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Scorpio is actually a very honest sign in my experience, and they don't actively try to deceive people (the healthy ones at least), so it can be reasoned with. I actually find gemini placements to be the most deceptive signs (despite my strong gemini influence, I don't always get along with gemini energy well).

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I'm strongly influenced by both Gemini and Scorpio. While I can understand why Scorpio may play some of these games and put others through tests, it does get annoying. I can easily tell when a Scorpio is playing a game (not the playful kind, but the manipulative kind) or testing me.

Gemini is the sign of the trickster. The immature Geminis have no problem deceiving everyone. I agree that these types are very annoying!

As a Gemini Sun, I prefer people who are straightforward and I'll be straightforward and honest in return. However, if someone is trying to play games with me, I have no problems playing games right back to give them a taste of their own medicine. If they then choose to stop playing mind games, then I'll stop as well.

posted February 12, 2012 10:23 AM            

Thank you enchantress, as a Fish lady I could have not said it better~

posted February 12, 2012 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
The only two Pisces people I know are my father and my older son, and I can't stand their round about ways! LOL. Spit it out already, or just shut up!! Anyway, just shut up already Hahaha.

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posted February 12, 2012 10:45 AM            

And that is why we dont spit it out cause we dont want to hurt you, cause we will feel your pain if we do...

posted February 12, 2012 10:52 AM            

You know what is mean? Lies and cover ups and circuituous routes of deceit. My son has been chided by me numerous times. Its not the mistakes that get one in trouble. Its the nuanced cover ups and the deceit that brings downfall.

posted February 12, 2012 11:01 AM            

Lol.

I'll just say, 'personally' I think it is ridiculous for anyone to justify their 'testing, mind playing, manipulation' because they are sensitive and 'afraid of being hurt.' This idea that one's feelings and are so treasured that they must go through extreme lengths (including negatively impacting others) to protect self.

Whatever the sign--it doesn't matter, that is a crappy way to treat someone. And it is an INCREDIBLY selfish justification. Very egotistical and self-centered.

"I'm going to put you through x, y, z, because I'm all or nothing in love. Because, I don't want to get hurt [again]. But oh yeah, I feel your pain when you are hurt."