posted February 12, 2012 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
This thread is still going on?

Lol.

I'll just say, 'personally' I think it is ridiculous for anyone to justify their 'testing, mind playing, manipulation' because they are sensitive and 'afraid of being hurt.' This idea that one's feelings and are so treasured that they must go through extreme lengths (including negatively impacting others) to protect self.

Whatever the sign--it doesn't matter, that is a crappy way to treat someone. And it is an INCREDIBLY selfish justification. Very egotistical and self-centered.

[b] "I'm going to put you through x, y, z, because I'm all or nothing in love. Because, I don't want to get hurt [again]. But oh yeah, I feel your pain when you are hurt."

Some people are just manipulative and that is their nature. Maybe even some people replying to this thread. If you happen to have a lot of Scorp, easy to say that is the reason why by 'classic astrological standards' but I'm NOT going to demonize the sign. Either way, it is a worthless trait and it is NOT an expression of love or care. It is delusion. There is no justification. No one's love and affection is that cherished, regardless of what we may think...[/B]

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This thread will go on for a while.

But very well said nonetheless :>

posted February 12, 2012 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
Scorp rising..12 degrees, Pluto and Venus conjunct it.

I express love by doing things for you like folding your laundry, buying you snacks, rubbing your back, etc.

Sex does NOT equal love for me. Honestly I don't think I've ever really been in LOVE ..so maybe I don't even know yet.

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Hahaha, sounds like me - the folding laundry, buying snacks, rubbing back...etc.

posted February 12, 2012 11:27 AM            

Maybe I was unclear about what I meant. When someone trusts you, and you're irresponsible with their feelings, and let's say your loyalty comes into question, u can't expect the other person just to jump back into the relationship that you both had before. It's like that with any fixed sign, you hurt their core, it's a problem. If you hurt a Leo's pride, they'll retaliate, you mess with a Taurus' Stability, they'll retaliate, you screw with an Aquarius' ideals, they'll retaliate. So, if you mess with a Scorpio's feelings, how could you not expect them to retaliate? You're setting off a bomb, and however they wish to express that, it's your responsibility to take it. They're going to be cautious. Because of our nature to be all or nothing, we're not going to withold bits and pieces from you, we're probably going to shut down one place or the other, and until we feel like you're trustworthy again, then the relationship will get better. If you did something wrong and you you don't like being tested, then that's your problem, you don't have to stay. But if the relationship is worth fighting for, getting tested wouldn't be an issue. If we don't know where the other person stands in the relationship, we're setting ourselves up to fall on our faces.
Anyway, I don't speak for all Scorpios.I'm strongly plutorian but my moon's in the mutable air sign so I won't seek revenge some might and I have a short attention span, but I have to work on my forgiveness as well. I'll brush a problem off in the beginning, but it'll just sit and settle. If it isn't brought up again, then I guess you're forgiven, but it will come up again, it always does in one form or the other. It's something I've read about everywhere that Scorpios have to work on, and maybe the tests are just that, a chance to wipe your slate clean but if you don't want to deal with it because you feel like you're being manipulated or something, then you don't want your slate cleaned, and the relationship won't ever be the same, so you might as well walk, we won't come after you (we can be pretty stubborn about our feelings since we're fixed water). But if you're worth it, you'll know how serious we are about what we feel. We're not just going to test you everytime you slip up, that's silly, people make mistakes all the time. But if it's not a slip and it's a continueous thing what you don't work on, then there's a problem and it isn't a mistake, it's an issue. If we're testing you, it proves we care because we're giving you a chance to redeem yourself.

posted February 12, 2012 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by AmethystOrnella:

Maybe I was unclear about what I meant. When someone trusts you, and you're irresponsible with their feelings, and let's say your loyalty comes into question, u can't expect the other person just to jump back into the relationship that you both had before.

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I don't think you were unclear, but I do think you've possibly missed what most people are saying.

It is widely held that this sign in particular 'tests' and manipulates people on the road to gaining their affection, love and loyalty. That, this is how they express this affection. That is what 'most' people have said and what a lot of people believe about strong Scorpio energy or 'Scorpionic/Plutonic' individuals. They aren't talking about someone being reactive in this way, but proactive. That is why people are responding negatively. One consciously putting someone through this to see if they can 'handle it all.' Almost like a ritual, you could say (lol).

posted February 12, 2012 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
It is widely held that this sign in particular 'tests' and manipulates people on the road to gaining their affection, love and loyalty. That, this is how they express this affection. That is what 'most' people have said and what a lot of people believe about strong Scorpio energy or 'Scorpionic/Plutonic' individuals. They aren't talking about someone being reactive in this way, but proactive. That is why people are responding negatively. One consciously putting someone through this to see if they can 'handle it all.' Almost like a ritual, you could say (lol).

Now, do I agree with ALL who have this placement or this energy in their chart--[b] OF COURSE NOT. But, it is held as a 'symbol' of this sign, you could say. Just google, and you'll see 10,000 people asking about a Scorpio testing them, manipulating them, what does it mean...etc.[/B]

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That is very true. Alot of the questions asked when people deal with astrology and particularly dealing with scorpios are questions about "what does he/she mean by doing x to me?" or "how come he/she did this?"

I think the most questions asked about scorpios are:

1) Why they disappeared on me/Didn't respond to me?
2) Why they are doing X but saying Y and purposely doing Z to get me worked up?
3) Why are they so cold/aloof and just refuse to open up?

posted February 12, 2012 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
This thread is still going on?

Lol.

I'll just say, 'personally' I think it is ridiculous for anyone to justify their 'testing, mind playing, manipulation' because they are sensitive and 'afraid of being hurt.' This idea that one's feelings and are so treasured that they must go through extreme lengths (including negatively impacting others) to protect self.

Whatever the sign--it doesn't matter, that is a crappy way to treat someone. And it is an INCREDIBLY selfish justification. Very egotistical and self-centered.

[b] "I'm going to put you through x, y, z, because I'm all or nothing in love. Because, I don't want to get hurt [again]. But oh yeah, I feel your pain when you are hurt."

Some people are just manipulative and that is their nature. Maybe even some people replying to this thread. If you happen to have a lot of Scorp, easy to say that is the reason why by 'classic astrological standards' but I'm NOT going to demonize the sign. Either way, it is a worthless trait and it is NOT an expression of love or care. It is delusion. There is no justification. No one's love and affection is that cherished, regardless of what we may think...[/B]

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posted February 12, 2012 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
That is very true. Alot of the questions asked when people deal with astrology and particularly dealing with scorpios are questions about "what does he/she mean by doing x to me?" or "how come he/she did this?"

I think the most questions asked about scorpios are:

1) Why they disappeared on me/Didn't respond to me?
2) Why they are doing X but saying Y and purposely doing Z to get me worked up?
3) Why are they so cold/aloof and just refuse to open up?

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posted February 12, 2012 02:27 PM            

If you're manipulative and calculating then you just are, Scorpio or not.

If someone is being tested, there has to be a reason.

I don't see how anyone could blindly deal with being "manipulated". Scorpios are so misunderstood, "manipulation" is the wrong word. Whoever wants a relationship with one should empathize with what their feeling.

Some people are very serious about their feelings and who they let into their lives. However you express that--- whether your methods of testing or whatever are different from mine, whether you even bother testing people right off or you test them when they slip up-- may not be how I express it, but I can respect the bigger picture and where you're coming from. It's their lives and their feelings and how they go about protecting it is their business.

If a scorpio loves you, you bet you can count on their loyalty. If they give that much, they might as well expect that much back.

posted February 12, 2012 03:27 PM            

I have a Cancer Rising with a Scorpio decanate btw, so I love Scorpio Risings!!!

But, how does does someone know if a Scorpio rising isn't interested in a relationship or friendship with someone?

posted February 12, 2012 03:40 PM            

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I'm sorry, but I don't see how "manipulation" can be proactive. That sounds to me like someone's getting off from putting the other person through hell. If it is, that isn't associated with sign placements at all.

If you're manipulative and calculating then you just are, Scorpio or not.

If someone is being tested, there has to be a reason.

I don't see how anyone could blindly deal with being "manipulated". Scorpios are so misunderstood, "manipulation" is the wrong word. Whoever wants a relationship with one should empathize with what their feeling.

Some people are very serious about their feelings and who they let into their lives. However you express that--- whether your methods of testing or whatever are different from mine, whether you even bother testing people right off or you test them when they slip up-- may not be how I express it, but I can respect the bigger picture and where you're coming from. It's their lives and their feelings and how they go about protecting it is their business.

If a scorpio loves you, you bet you can count on their loyalty. If they give that much, they might as well expect that much back.

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I agree with you.

posted February 12, 2012 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by AmethystOrnella:

1. I'm sorry, but I don't see how "manipulation" can be proactive. That sounds to me like someone's getting off from putting the other person through hell. If it is, that isn't associated with sign placements at all.

2. If a scorpio loves you, you bet you can count on their loyalty. If they give that much, they might as well expect that much back.

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1. Some people can react and manipulate others as a reaction. "You hurt me, now I will mess with you and your mind...etc." Other people can be manipulative, 'proactively.' "You...um...I am just going to mess with your mind." So, you are right, some people are just getting off on that. And as I stated before, people do tend to characterize Scorpio energy in this way. It is unfair, naturally. But I emphasize the difference between proactive and being reactive.

2. I think just as easily as we can say that 'has nothing to do with a sign placement' when considering manipulation...the same can be said of loyalty, no? It is not the sign, it is them, the person. And if manipulation is the wrong word, what is a better word? I mean, someone responding in self-defense to a threat, ok, I sort of understand that. Responding to a perceived threat or slight, hmm...more personal responsibility and acknowledgement of one's feelings and how we react to things. We all have these things to work on, not specific to Scorpio. But in the context of the discussion--interesting things to consider.

In any case, it is unfair to demonize, any sign really. I think the 'energy' is really what we talk about, right. So, this energy can manifest itself in any chart, any person...etc, plenty of placements and angles that highlight this. Innumerable ones.

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Originally posted by Starry~*:

I think the most questions asked about scorpios are:

1) Why they disappeared on me/Didn't respond to me?
2) Why they are doing X but saying Y and purposely doing Z to get me worked up?
3) Why are they so cold/aloof and just refuse to open up?

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This is very true! I've asked them before, and I've probably had these things asked about me. I have my SN in Scorp., Pluto in Scorp (first house), Mercury...etc. But, I am 'very' direct, and maybe my Sag sun helps with that a little.

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Originally posted by violet7887:
Got to agree with you FireWire! I like your thoughts, your responses are always something I can nod my head to.Your thoughts always put forth the phrase "Search within Yourself."

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posted February 12, 2012 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
And YoursTruly (?) was talking about Earth signs being trustworthy? I know more than one Earth sign who has been manipulative. I don't care to blame it on their planets, I blame them for it.

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Hey! I didn't say that Earth signs are trustworthy. I said scummy people would be scummy people regardless of astrology, and that I hate scummy people.

Don't twist what I said!

posted February 12, 2012 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'm just glad I'm earth because I cannot relate to anything in this thread.

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posted February 12, 2012 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Libreo:
I think she was referring to this ^

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Yes. I said that. Did I say that people of Earth signs are trustworthy?

I said thatmy thought process is different from that which is presented and discussed.

I have often said that I am partial to "four legs and a tail" and those come as much from the fire signs and the earth signs. That's just a matter of intellectual compatibility. That's all.

posted February 12, 2012 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
This thread is still going on?

Lol.

I'll just say, 'personally' I think it is ridiculous for anyone to justify their 'testing, mind playing, manipulation' because they are sensitive and 'afraid of being hurt.' This idea that one's feelings and are so treasured that they must go through extreme lengths (including negatively impacting others) to protect self.

Whatever the sign--it doesn't matter, that is a crappy way to treat someone. And it is an INCREDIBLY selfish justification. Very egotistical and self-centered.

[b] "I'm going to put you through x, y, z, because I'm all or nothing in love. Because, I don't want to get hurt [again]. But oh yeah, I feel your pain when you are hurt."

Some people are just manipulative and that is their nature. Maybe even some people replying to this thread. If you happen to have a lot of Scorp, easy to say that is the reason why by 'classic astrological standards' but I'm NOT going to demonize the sign. Either way, it is a worthless trait and it is NOT an expression of love or care. It is delusion. There is no justification. No one's love and affection is that cherished, regardless of what we may think...[/B]

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posted February 12, 2012 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
[b]I'm just glad I'm earth because I cannot relate to anything in this thread.

Yes. I said that. Did I say that people of Earth signs are trustworthy?

I said thatmy thought process is different from that which is presented and discussed.

I have often said that I am partial to "four legs and a tail" and those come as much from the fire signs and the earth signs. That's just a matter of intellectual compatibility. That's all.

Nowhere did I imply any form of superiority or claim the moral high ground. No one needs to be all torn up about my opinion, and I'm not changing mine to conform with whichever direction the wind sways. I made my own remarks on my own accord and it only concerns my personal views. I don't launch personal attacks but I will vigorously defend whatever attacks come my way and not shed a tear over the aftermath.[/B]

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posted February 12, 2012 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
[b]I'm just glad I'm earth because I cannot relate to anything in this thread.

Yes. I said that. Did I say that people of Earth signs are trustworthy?

I said thatmy thought process is different from that which is presented and discussed.

I have often said that I am partial to "four legs and a tail" and those come as much from the fire signs and the earth signs. That's just a matter of intellectual compatibility. That's all.

Nowhere did I imply any form of superiority or claim the moral high ground. No one needs to be all torn up about my opinion, and I'm not changing mine to conform with whichever direction the wind sways. I made my own remarks on my own accord and it only concerns my personal views. I don't launch personal attacks but I will vigorously defend whatever attacks come my way and not shed a tear over the aftermath.[/B]

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Well, that's a bit dramatic. I wasn't attacking you! I was referring to the part that was quoted again by Libreo, that's all.

posted February 13, 2012 08:06 AM            

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Originally posted by snooks:
Yourstruly you come across as an absolute idiot, to speak like that of your son and your father regardless of whether its true or not, but particularly your son.... Im a Pisces sun with a Scorpio rising and I dont scirt around anything, actually I spit it out no problem, being straight is one of my obvious traits. Your so ignorant... there so much more to take into account than someones sun sign

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posted February 13, 2012 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Well, that's a bit dramatic. I wasn't attacking you! I was referring to the part that was quoted again by Libreo, that's all.

I got dramatic in the Venus in Gemini thread, though, so I get it. I wasn't attacking you, though.

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