posted February 21, 2012 05:22 AM            

The background to this lies in a past life where he was passionately in love with me. I was not as much in love with him but let him think I was because it was flattering. His family forbid him from marrying me and he was forced to give me up. I was married by my family to someone else and did so without any hesitation. This act destroyed his very soul - his Ego could not take this, he thought that I had been forced into that marriage. The lack of control over his life became his plutonic darkness, he became misogynistic because it defended him from his sense of failure in getting the woman he desired. The sexual frustration that resulted had a " Love in the time of Cholera" flavor to it. Like the spurned lover he didnt turn into a womaniser but it definitely messed his sexual psyche.

He married another woman ( another soulmate, now a dear friend ). He sexually abused her in unimaginable ways in addition to torturing her physically. This created abusive sanskara - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskara

In this life he incarnared into a family of misogynists, dysfunctional sado-masochistic marriages and a mother who emotionally abused and emasculated his father completing the psyhological formula he needed to resume his karma in this life - with me.

Also I am not entirely a saint. I shouldn't have led him on and stoked such passion in him when my own feelings were lukewarm. But who knew my frivolity would have such consequences.

I have Ascendent conjunct Dejanira in the natal.

Our natal charts are

Me

Him

posted February 21, 2012 05:35 AM            

His Eros and Nessus on my True Node and widely trine my Dejanira . - Yup.

DEFINITELY helped me evolve. BIG TIME.

His Siva conjuncts his Pluto and My Saturn.
- Dunno about that one.

His Valentine conjunct my Nessus - OH BOY!

His Hekate conjuncts my Venus-Chiron which is conjunct Algol.

His Chiron at 9 Taurus is on my VARUNA , Sedna (7 deg tau),SEKHMET(9 deg tau)CHAOS(6 deg tau) ATLANTIS(14 deg tau),HORUS(16 deg tau) opposing my Siva at 10 Sco conjunct his Ixion.

posted February 21, 2012 05:53 AM            

Also this needs to be in the 'Personal Readings' forum so that it can get the attention it deserves.

posted February 21, 2012 05:56 AM            

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My Pluto conjuncts his Mars - I could feel that one even with the wide orb . DAILY .

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posted February 21, 2012 06:54 AM            

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Also this needs to be in the 'Personal Readings' forum so that it can get the attention it deserves.

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Well, I didnt want a reading, I just put it up for study. The marriage is over, I dont need any guidance.

posted February 21, 2012 07:33 AM            

I am sorry to hear about what you had to endure.

But am glad that it`s over and you can breathe free again.

When did the marriage take place? During your absence from LL?

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Also his Pluto squares your nodal axis exactly. From what I`ve observed this often brings very intense karmic experiences, though it has to be connected to a personal point / planet. In your case it is connected to Mars, hence the possibility of physical assaults (though it could also have been strong sexual implications).

oh boy

I just see his NESSUS is also part of the brew!
Conjunct your nodal axis, squaring his own Siva-Pluto, and squaring your Mars!

posted February 21, 2012 07:44 AM            

He also has a T-square of Kaali-Neptune-Mars, which is very tighly aspecting your ASC-DESC-axis, with his Mars being on your DESC, thus locking into your life. And with your ASC being square his Neptune and Kaali, it would also affect your physical being adversely.
With Neptune squaring your ASC it could be a very deluding aspect. I think Neptune is not "bad" inherently and can be wonderful in soulmate relationships if in conjunction or harmonious aspects, but I`d stay awa yfrom squares and oppositions of Neptune to personal planets and points. There is always the risk of being misled or being deluding oneself over the true nature of a connection.

posted February 21, 2012 09:41 AM            

Yes, during my absence from LL I was married to him. I love your take on it. I have been conmpletely out of touch with astrology since the past two years.

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Your Saturn on his Pluto (bringing catharsis and karmic experiences) squares his Eros exactly.
Looks like you thwarted his erotic avances, which he did not take too well.

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Woah, to the T !!!

But that was in the past life, not now at all !

His Nessus is completely rooted in his thwarted and damaged Eros like I said and this shows in his natals.

posted February 21, 2012 11:12 AM            

" Woah, to the T !!!

But that was in the past life, not now at all ! "

Well, Saturn is the traditional ruler of your 12th house, so he might carry some past-life-themes with him (and Saturn himself is pretty karmic in nature; it is like this karmic planet is doubly karmic in your chart).

Anyway, since this is the chart of your present incarnation though, this Saturn-Eros-square must have expressed itself in the here and now, too.
Was one of you much more attracted to the other and was sometimes met with less than enthusiastic emotional or erotic response?

posted February 21, 2012 12:23 PM            

Prak's Mars opposition Shefgirl's Ascendant       orb 0° 8'
        The attraction between you is very powerful and your partnership is a very close and intense one. You enjoy working together and it is also likely that you engage in competitive sports or games with each other. A negative possibility is that one of you would attempt to dominate the other, causing anger and resentment in the other. You antagonize one another at times by emphasizing your individual differences and your own needs, rather than trying to cooperate or harmonize with one another. You are able to get issues out in the open, but direct confrontation can degenerate into attack if you are not careful. Be gentler with each other!

        Deep soul searching, putting your faith or beliefs to the test, and confronting your illusions and self-deceptions, are an important aspect of your relationship. A deep inner commitment to one another, and a serious or in-depth approach to spiritual development is part of your connection. You often bring out one another's insecurities or nebulous fears, the result of which can be confusion or a genuine attempt to face those sensitive areas and to develop the qualities you are lacking presently.

        You tend to have a very unclear or stilted perception of one another, seeing each other through a haze of fantasy, glamour, or romantic imagination. You may be more taken with the image that you have in your mind of this person than the real none-too- perfect human being. You have trouble dealing with the prosaic aspects of life when you are together. You are also able to blend or merge emotionally with one another, and there is a great deal of sympathetic understanding and rapport between you. You 'pick up' on one another's moods very easily and may become confused by this at times, unable to distinguish or separate your own from feelings from those of your partner.

Prak's Moon trine Shefgirl's Venus       orb 0° 30'

        There is a particularly sweet, loving, caring quality to your relationship that both of you may tend to take for granted. Others, who lack this quality in their own relationship, do notice it and may enjoy the kindness and devotion you have for each other. You both find it easy to give freely to each other.

Prak's Moon square Shefgirl's Neptune       orb 0° 32'

        You spark each other's imagination and fantasies, but the tendency to deceive each other is also very strong. You fascinate and intrigue each other, clouding your vision and causing you to often misunderstand each other. For example, you tend to project fantasies and hopes on each other - this is not necessarily bad because these fantasies can become a rich source for imaginative, inspiring works of art or music. Do not rush into a serious relationship too quickly, though, because you need time to make sure that you haven't got caught up in a romantic, idealistic vision of each other, from which you will later wake. If either of you has a major problem of a psychological, alcohol-related, or drug-related nature, this relationship can become a partnership in dissolute, self-destructive, negative habits.

Prak's Venus sextile Shefgirl's Sun       orb 0° 42'

        Yours is a loving friendship, with much mutual appreciation, affection, and respect. This may grow into a very warm, affectionate love relationship as well.

Prak's Venus sextile Shefgirl's Jupiter       orb 1° 9'

        Your relationship enjoys a high level of harmony, good will, and enthusiasm. The two of you invariably have an enjoyable time together, you have many friends, and you enjoy socializing and going out together. Financial and material benefits may also result for you both through this relationship.

Prak's Venus square Shefgirl's Uranus       orb 2° 9'

        This relationship has an erratic, unstable, but exciting quality. Sexual attraction becomes very intense at times and at these moments you may feel like you cannot live without each other. But the feelings come and go quickly and they are not always reciprocated - your moods and desires get out of tune with each other, so that one of you may feel like partying and the other wants to have a quiet evening at home. The quality and nature of the relationship changes frequently. This is a difficult relationship to maintain over a long period of time but it is also difficult to break such an exciting relationship as well. If you want a permanent, close relationship, then both of you will need to be extremely flexible and willing to accept unexpected changes in your relationship and lifestyle.

Prak's Saturn sextile Shefgirl's Sun       orb 1° 44'

        There is a deep sense of mutual commitment and dedication that keeps the two of you together, even when you face difficult times. Prak is very dedicated and loyal to Shefgirl, sincerely interested in being responsible to Shefgirl, and willing to make sacrifices when necessary. The two of you work well together on practical matters and business affairs. If you marry, you will find that you can rely on each other to be helpful and responsible.

Prak's Saturn square Shefgirl's Venus       orb 2° 43'

posted February 21, 2012 01:59 PM            

Please remember to reduce the orb ratio down to 40% (ONLY for synastry bi wheel) as the max orb between planets is 3'. Composite should be 85% orbs

when you get this SYNASTRY chart, please also post the *pdf file*, above left of chart look for *view additional tables (PDF)* This will bring up 2pages. Scroll down to last page for the *aspect grid* THIS is very important as it seems to show more aspects than is visible on the bi wheel…

problem is uploading to photobucket (or imageshack) you have to change this from Aabode format into a picture/jpeg format. This is done by getting the relevant page/grid in front of you on screen then, the press ‘prtsc sysrq’ - top row inbetween pause break and F12. This has been copied to clipboard.

Paste into Paint or some other photo software. Crop the picture and save to hard drive, then upload to photobucket, select chart, press IMG and past link into thread.... all done

Lastly, by making the effort to post the correct charts AND aspect grid will ensure that you are serious in your enquiry and will guarantee (from me at least) a serious response……if you are simply here to get a freebie or are just curious but can’t be bothered to make the effort to post the correct charts then I won’t bother making an effort to delineate them. In this case I will simply refer to a website that offers Free interactive models (like astro.com, astrology3d.com and grupovenus.com) for your amusement…

This forum (as all forums) are unpaid, free help and advice from lots of professionals (like myself) and enthusiastic amateurs, who do this for the ‘love of astrology’ and genuinely want members to learn about themselves and partners through this ‘science and art’ we call astrology……

posted February 21, 2012 02:11 PM            

to whom or what are you referring?
Maybe I did not read properly enough, but I did not see anyone here calling an unaspected planet "blessed"?

posted February 21, 2012 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusdeIndia:
Well, I didnt want a reading, I just put it up for study. The marriage is over, I dont need any guidance.

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Sorry - you posted the two natals so I thought you wanted people to look at them and that you inquired as to why it happened. Usually this board is too elementary for any serious study of charts, which is why mods move them to the PR board. No offense intended.

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Anongirl - Sorry it's the other way round , my mars and his pluto are conjunct.[/B]

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No worries. There's definitely a lot going on.

posted February 21, 2012 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusdeIndia:
Well, I didnt want a reading, I just put it up for study. The marriage is over, I dont need any guidance.

Anongirl - Sorry it's the other way round , my mars and his pluto are conjunct.

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Well it's quite valid questioning orbs between planets and the max is 3'

posted February 21, 2012 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
SaggiMC,

to whom or what are you referring?
Maybe I did not read properly enough, but I did not see anyone here calling an unaspected planet "blessed"?

I have an unaspected Moon myself (unless counting the exact quinkunx to Saturn), and I agree that an unaspected planet definitely poses challenges.
(my Moon is being parallel Uranus and contraparallel Pluto though)

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posted February 21, 2012 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
SaggiMC,

to whom or what are you referring?
Maybe I did not read properly enough, but I did not see anyone here calling an unaspected planet "blessed"?

I have an unaspected Moon myself (unless counting the exact quinkunx to Saturn), and I agree that an unaspected planet definitely poses challenges.
(my Moon is being parallel Uranus and contraparallel Pluto though)

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posted February 22, 2012 02:34 AM            

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Saturn is the traditional ruler of your 12th house, so he might carry some past-life-themes with him (and Saturn himself is pretty karmic in nature; it is like this karmic planet is doubly karmic in your chart).

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Also according to Vedic Saturn is my Atmakaraka planet, and I am undergoing the planetary period of it right now.

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Was one of you much more attracted to the other and was sometimes met with less than enthusiastic emotional or erotic response?

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Okay, here is something really weird. He suffers from Erection dysfunction. His karma for abusing his wife out of sexual frustration. He gets the woman he desired this time around but has to suffer the frustration of not being man enough with her.

Of the spookiest things in hell karma takes the cake

RunAroundScreaming

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Planets in negative aspect to the love stellium dont allow for the expression of love in one or both people. I've seen before with pluto squaring all the planets that one person will become obsessed while the other doesnt feel much. All these pluto squares point to major need for dominance and control on the part of one of the partners due to the obsession.

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Correct, I actually didnt look at our natals and composite at all because I didnt want that to warp my attitude. We were attracted to each other definitely initially. Our Sun-Moon conjunction drowned all the other disharmonies initially even though its so wide.

SaggiMC

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if you are simply here to get a freebie or are just curious but can’t be bothered to make the effort to post the correct charts then I won’t bother making an effort to delineate them

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Er.... I am a longtime LL member, I just rejoined. I didn't post the aspect grid because I personally prefer the charts separately. Also I made this thread because we have so many Twin-Flame and soul-mate discussions in this forum but we have never discussed a soul-mate relationship where Love can take a turn for the absolute worse and how love and relationship karma can work out. I don't need advice or help, the marriage is done with but I feel that we dont discuss such abusive relationships here and certainly not ones that come in the garb of soulmates.

THAT is the spirit of this thread. I am not a newbie looking for a freebie.

Still_Hopeful

I am not looking for guidance sweetie, Ihave explained myself above I hope. But you are free to ask for any guidance in your personal matter. You can email me at shefbabe@gmail.com.

I will look at your composite in PR for sure