posted February 23, 2012 05:51 PM            

As a Sag myself, I have always felt very connected to both planets. I am indeed very optimistic, happy-go-lucky, expansive, intellectual, adventurous and independent, in true Jupiterian fashion. On the other hand, I have also always had a very compassionate streak, very imaginative and artistic, as well intuitive and spiritual.

I know other Sags in my personal life to be this way, too. They are as ambitious and fierce as Leos and Aries, but possess a tolerance that neither of the two do.

Sags are known to be "big dreamers", which translates to Jupiter (big) Neptune (dreams). Neptune's co-rulership may also explain why Sag is said to be the most 'lax' of all fire signs. While Jupiter does bestow him with fire, Neptune keeps him from being belligerent about it.

Hell, look at all of the stars in the entertainment business that have contributed their imaginative gifts, Walt Disney being one of note. Jupiter/Neptune is like a Pisces with confidence. Not that I'm a proponent of pop culture, but if you look at the Sun sign of the 3 biggest pop stars of the past 2 decades whose mass appeal is indisputable, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and Miley Cyrus are all Sag suns.

Why else would the 9th house be associated with such seemingly Neptunian pursuits? Spirituality, mysticism, overseas travel, intuition, inspiration, prophecy, dreams, etc.

posted February 23, 2012 05:56 PM            

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posted February 23, 2012 06:19 PM            

before Modern astrology jupiter did rule pisces and saggi..

Neptune is a modern generational planet and I don't agree that it should co-rule Saggi

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Why else would the 9th house be associated with such seemingly Neptunian pursuits? Spirituality, mysticism, overseas travel, intuition, inspiration, prophecy, dreams, etc.

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I don't associate spiritualism to 9th or saggi, but religion. Intuition 9th really?

Ninth House

"The Ninth house represents the development of the mind. Here we find all things related to higher learning, such as universities, professors, and continuing education programs. The ninth house is really like third house matters expanded.
Life philosophies, religion, gurus, preachers, spiritual experiences, your ideas about God and belief systems of any kind belong to the ninth house. The religious aspect of the ninth house is generally more orthodox and dogmatic in nature.
Foreign people, places, languages and things are ninth house areas, as well as long journeys and visits overseas. Here in the ninth is where we also find the great outdoors, country life, nature, getting away from it all, large animals, sports and athletic pursuits. First spouse in-laws reside here, too.
Large scale publishing and big time advertising campaigns are also ruled by the ninth house. The ninth house is also courts of law, judges and the judicial system in general.
The ninth house corresponds to Sagittarius and so any planets in this house function with some underlying Sagittarius style. Additionally, the ninth house represents expansion of anything, wanting freedom, and moral codes and ethics." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house9

where is your neptune and how is it aspected?

posted February 23, 2012 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology

before Modern astrology jupiter did rule pisces and saggi..

Neptune is a modern generational planet and I don't agree that it should co-rule Saggi

I don't associate spiritualism to 9th or saggi, but religion. Intuition 9th really?

Ninth House

"The Ninth house represents the development of the mind. Here we find all things related to higher learning, such as universities, professors, and continuing education programs. The ninth house is really like third house matters expanded.
Life philosophies, religion, gurus, preachers, spiritual experiences, your ideas about God and belief systems of any kind belong to the ninth house. The religious aspect of the ninth house is generally more orthodox and dogmatic in nature.
Foreign people, places, languages and things are ninth house areas, as well as long journeys and visits overseas. Here in the ninth is where we also find the great outdoors, country life, nature, getting away from it all, large animals, sports and athletic pursuits. First spouse in-laws reside here, too.
Large scale publishing and big time advertising campaigns are also ruled by the ninth house. The ninth house is also courts of law, judges and the judicial system in general.
The ninth house corresponds to Sagittarius and so any planets in this house function with some underlying Sagittarius style. Additionally, the ninth house represents expansion of anything, wanting freedom, and moral codes and ethics." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house9

where is your neptune and how is it aspected?

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posted February 23, 2012 07:57 PM            

IMO, religion is a system and structure where by people CAN express, or cultivate their spirituality and spiritual pursuits. And this is coming from someone who is not religious. I understand the function and the underlying purposes of it. Could just be a difference in ideology--I don't profess to be right. But I think such differences have less to do with astrological differences and personal opinions and biases we all have.

About the neptune/jupiter, pisces/sag thing...I was just wondering about similarities between pisces and sag earlier. But I hadn't gone this far.

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Originally posted by alaz7200:

Why else would the 9th house be associated with such seemingly Neptunian pursuits? Spirituality, mysticism, overseas travel, intuition, inspiration, prophecy, dreams, etc. PLEASE

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I too have heard the 9th house associated with all of those things.

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
You don't agree, but it does.
There's no point in me argueing but intuition is linked to mostly everything regarding spirtiuality/needing of faith. We have no standard proof astrology exists; but through our intuition we believe. I associate jupiter with spirualism..... 9th house matters require it.

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Agreed.

posted February 23, 2012 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I think you're mixing up Jupiter with Neptune. Jupiter was the ruler of Sagittarius and Pisces, until Neptune came along. Now people say that Jupiter and Neptune co-ruler Pisces, NOT Sagittarius. Jupiter is spiritualism, yes, but not Sag. 9th house is morality, not spirituality. They are not the same thing.

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Love this, amowls.

posted February 23, 2012 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
@Xiiro: Sounds interesting! Would you mind sharing Primary and Sub Rulers of each of the 12 signs?

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posted February 24, 2012 02:22 AM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
@Xiiro: Sounds interesting! Would you mind sharing Primary and Sub Rulers of each of the 12 signs?

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Sure, I want to clarify this is a personal system I use. I make no claims about this being a mainstream method for attributing signs to planets. Prime and Sub rulers rule in very different ways, a Prime ruler's energy is public, overt, and run's the show. Sub ruler's energy is the soil from which the root of each sign draws nourishment. It is passive, subdued, almost astral, under-toned, inert-ish, and can be likened to "the sand box in which each sign plays". Make sure to keep that in mind when playing with the idea in your own chart. I find the house in which the prime ruler abides, tells a lot about planets in a particular sign, but when the sub ruler's house is taken into consideration, a more dynamic understanding of the personality starts to manifest.

Aries:
Overt Energy - Mars
Covert Energy - Pluto

Taurus:
Overt Energy - Venus
Covert Energy - Eris

Gemini:
Overt Energy - Mercury
Covert Energy - Ceres

Cancer:
Overt Energy - Luna
Covert Energy - Sun

Leo:
Overt Energy - Sun
Covert Energy - Luna

Virgo:
Overt Energy - Ceres
Covert Energy - Mercury

Libra:
Overt Energy - Eris
Covert Energy - Venus

Scorpio:
Overt Energy - Pluto
Covert Energy - Mars

Sagittarius:
Overt Energy - Jupiter
Covert Energy - Neptune

Capricorn:
Overt Energy - Saturn
Covert Energy - Uranus

Aquarius:
Overt Energy - Uranus
Covert Energy - Saturn

posted February 24, 2012 02:42 AM            

Mars/Aries exalted in Capricorn
Uranus/Aquarius exalted Scorpio
Saturn/Capricorn exalted in Libra
Pluto/Scorpio exalted in Leo

posted February 24, 2012 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I think you're mixing up Jupiter with Neptune. Jupiter was the ruler of Sagittarius and Pisces, until Neptune came along. Now people say that Jupiter and Neptune co-ruler Pisces, NOT Sagittarius. Jupiter is spiritualism, yes, but not Sag. 9th house is morality, not spirituality. They are not the same thing.

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Traditional astrologers don't go past saturn and Jupiter DID rule pisces and Saggi. I don't like this idea that two planets in whatever system are co-rulers, I know some astrologers use them it just appeal to my logical Aquarius Asc

NEPTUNE DEFINITION KEYWORDS;

Artistic, emotional, sensitive, mediumistic, wandering, ¬sentimental, subtle, deceptive, subversive, imaginative, rhythmic, spirituality, unstable, sacrifice, head in the clouds.

Rules Drugs of all types , alcohol, tobacco, heroin, ether & anaesthetic, Gas lighting. Anything elusive, water has to be put in pipes.

Wherever your Neptune is, "is where you carry your cross and where you will be called upon to make a sacrifice!" True sacrifices are never usually recognised, or else they could turn into martyrdom!

something else you might like to consider is Neptune is the higher octave of venus and uranus is the higher octave or mercury..

posted February 24, 2012 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Yin:
Love this, amowls.

I don't feel qualified to talk about the difference between Neptune and Sag/Jupiter. I have Neptune conjunct my Sag Sun exact in my chart. Makes them indistinguishable to me.

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when any of the 'outers' are conjunct or hard aspect someone's sun sign (doesn't matter what sign) then it will seriously alter the sun's expression to be more like the outer. so in your case the neptune/pisces flavour may be more prevalent. Does your sun have any other aspects other than this one?

posted February 24, 2012 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Yin:
Yes, it has a trine from my Leo Mars, sextiles Pluto and NN in Libra (trines SN in Aries) and semi-squares my Libra Moon.

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Yin, you and I must be born around the same time.

I was born in December 1977 and my Sun is conjunct Neptune, trine Mars in Leo, sextile Pluto conjunct NN in Libra, and square Moon in Virgo. It's not often I meet people with charts similar to mine.