posted March 03, 2012 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
I just have my sun in libra in the 12th house.

But even that is hard enough as it is..

With T Saturn plowing through there until oct of this year...I feel like an empty shell

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Hi Sweetie
Did I already give you what I had about Sun in the 12th and Sun in the 12th? I think I did.

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posted March 04, 2012 02:22 AM            

I have Mars in Gemini there, and Jupiter in Gemini there as I'm sure you know by heart now Ami Ann.

My 12H is ruled by Gemini, and Mercury is in the 11th in Aries. My friends don't really understand my loneliness (let me rephrase that - they might understand but for a 12H person to FEEL the comfort found in shared misery and understanding is very, very hard)

With Jupiter in the 12H, I think I must be very very lucky compared to some others. It's interesting to think about just now because it somewhat explains why it's harder for me to feel connected and understood when I'm opening up about my depression to close friends. Often times I have felt their vibe that I was just pitying myself, so I stopped talking... but maybe with this combination it was that I couldn't see the luck that they could see (this going along with your 12H being a blindspot for you) Huh.

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posted March 04, 2012 05:05 AM            

I was thinking about this, in terms of my chart. I have Ruler of the 5th in the 12th.I lost a child. The 5th is the House of Children.It’s Ruler travels to the 12th, the House of Sorrow, as was it’s old name. Does anyone have a House Ruler in the 12th House? If so, please tell me from which House it came and what you have experienced. This would apply to people with 12th House planets, only.

A lovely woman in one of my Astrology Study Groups allowed me to use her name and to bring you part of her story, related to the Ruler of the 5th House in the 12th House. Gisele Matthews is her name . Here is what she wrote: You know, the ruler of my 5th is in the 12th which is why I chose to never have children.. I did have two abortions when I was in my early 20′s. I had to have them, as I was on heavy medication at the time that would have caused a deformed fetus. And yes, it was very sad.

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posted March 04, 2012 05:07 AM            

Mars is the planet of action. It shows how we pursue what we pursue, whether it be a date, a job, or our side of an argument . The 12th house trumps any and all placements in the chart, for difficulty. Mars does not like to be in the 12th house .Mars likes to be where it can move forward in a direct way. Mars likes to take bold and decisive action. The 12th house trumps even the best Mars sign and renders this Mars very unhappy. Just as Mars loves to go forward to pursue a goal or say what is on it’s mind, the 12th house turns it inward. Mars wants to boldly shout it’s position, in an argument. The 12th house makes it reticent to make a peep. So, it becomes passive aggressive with it’s anger. Mars wants to pursue a woman. Mars in the 12th make Mars insecure and self doubting. Mars wants to pursue worldly goods. Mars in the 12th makes it procrastinate and second guess it’s motives. It may even give up, altogether. This Mars position is the same as the moon in the 12th house, in that it is like a child facing the wall in time-out. First, it has to turn itself around before it can even begin to get where it wants to go. If you know someone with this Mars position, know that they are struggling with a burden which may be mitigated but never totally overcome.

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posted March 04, 2012 09:49 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Can you please tell more about natal Venus in 12th and Composite Venus in 12th?

Many thanks!

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Sure about natal Ian. Composite would be the SAME as natal but the relationship is the person. IOW, the composite chart is FOR the relationship as if it is a singular person. Do you know what I mean Ian?

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posted March 04, 2012 09:55 AM            

Venus is what you find beautiful. Think of an Art Museum. Some people like water colors and pastels. Some people like somber, ponderous art. Some people love sculpture with it’s exquisite detail. Think of music. Some people like refined classical music. Within classical music, there is the lightness of Mozart, the heaviness of Wagner, the complexity of Bach and the emotive nature of Opera.One is attracted to one’s Venus Sign.

One loves in a Venus Sign way, also. One can love in a heavy emotive way such as a Scorpio Venus. One may pour intensity in to one’s lover, emotionally and sexually.One may love as a Gemini Venus, lightly as a butterfly.One may love as a Virgo Venus, wanting purity in one’s lover.One may love as a Capricorn Venus, wanting quality such that one can respect one’s lover. One may love as a Leo Venus, wanting charisma and glamor in his lover. Study your Venus to see what you love and how you love.

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posted March 04, 2012 09:57 AM            

Venus may be one of the hardest planets to have in the 12th house. Neptune is thought to be the easiest, followed by Jupiter. After that, it is a matter of opinion, perhaps. To me, Venus seems hard. We, all, need love. Love is the soul food for the human. Venus is the planet of love, all love, not just that between lovers. The 12th house Venus seems to sit on the sidelines and watch love go by. There does not seem to be much for her. She may think that the outer world is denying her, but that is not the case. The outer world, reflects the inner world, in most cases. This Venus hurts too much to put herself forward and risk rejection. She may try, but she may find herself hiding under the bed, as the result of the effort and vowing not to try, again. Love seems to come easily to some. To Venus in the 12th house, she is a creature of the next dimension, as are all holders of 12th house planets. As such, she needs a lover to take her hand and encourage her to come out,and tell her that she is loved despite her flaws, which she magnifies more than any one else . Be gentle with this Venus. You will have a special creature love you, if she gives you her heart.

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posted March 04, 2012 10:56 AM            

I experience this a lot! It's like I'm able to "forget" my anger, but then I get mad at myself for not knowing how to express it properly. Honestly the biggest thing I notice is it's simply more trying for me to get other people to listen. If I'm talking to someone one on one, that's one thing but say, when at work and trying to join a group discussion... it's pointless. The discussion almost instantly stops & people go about what they were doing as soon as I participate. I don't think it's personal because I'm actually well-liked at work, but Mars in 12th dulls my sense or timing or something and also makes one feel ignored a lot of the time.

posted March 04, 2012 11:16 AM            

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Thank you, Ami. Its a bit tough to digest, but appreciate it.

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LOL Ian OK Venus is what you find beautiful like some people like dark art and some people like pastels

The 12th hide things so the expression of one's love nature will be hidden inside the person. So, to make it very practical. This person has a hard time with feeling his own love nature and expressing it. The 12th house hides FROM the person and so consequently from others. Do you get it now

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posted March 04, 2012 01:04 PM            

With Equal; Neptune, Mars, North Node & the Sun moves to 12th.

I am a very social person, I have always had many friends. I am very outgoing but also can be very shy . It is a must to withdraw from time to time to recharge my battaries.

When I get angry, I can be brutal with my words but sometimes I choose to burry my agony inside.

Sometimes I lack motivation to chase my dreams, and sometimes I lack the inspiration while the motivation exists.

I have a very sensitive skin and I hate to be touched by strangers so being in a concert area where you get squezed by strangers is too irritating for me. I usually choose the most comfortable spot where I can have some space.

I remember a close friend of mine saying to me "you give me the impression of a person who can commit suicide without giving any warning signals"

I get depressed when I am bored, and I can be friendly to the idea of suicide and I can entertain myself with dark thoughts but it lasts only for a day. Next day, I am up and running to life.

Most people say I am half alien, I have quirky ways but that's who I am and people seem to be ok with it most of the time.

I believe everyone is lonely inside. So, I don't feel so lonely

I have a very active imagination, I can create a fantasy world.. I write.. Art is very important to me. I can't live without music.

I can relate to Ami's 12th house planet people profile. But there seems to be an optimist in me which helps to get out of the shadows and have some fun.

I feel like I am not fixed in my attitudes. Like my natal chart which changes considerably with each house system.

posted March 04, 2012 01:05 PM            

With Equal; Neptune, Mars, North Node & the Sun moves to 12th.

I am a very social person, I have always had many friends. I am very outgoing but also can be very shy . It is a must to withdraw from time to time to recharge my battaries.

When I get angry, I can be brutal with my words but sometimes I choose to burry my agony inside.

Sometimes I lack motivation to chase my dreams, and sometimes I lack the inspiration while the motivation exists.

I have a very sensitive skin and I hate to be touched by strangers so being in a concert area where you get squezed by strangers is too irritating for me. I usually choose the most comfortable spot where I can have some space.

I remember a close friend of mine saying to me "you give me the impression of a person who can commit suicide without giving any warning signals"

I get depressed when I am bored, and I can be friendly to the idea of suicide and I can entertain myself with dark thoughts but it lasts only for a day. Next day, I am up and running to life.

Most people say I am half alien, I have quirky ways but that's who I am and people seem to be ok with it most of the time.

I believe everyone is lonely inside. So, I don't feel so lonely

I have a very active imagination, I can create a fantasy world.. I write.. Art is very important to me. I can't live without music.

I can relate to Ami's 12th house planet people profile. But there seems to be an optimist in me which helps to get out of the shadows and have some fun.

I feel like I am not fixed in my attitudes. Like my natal chart which changes considerably with each house system.