posted March 02, 2012 10:24 AM              

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
What if the draco MC was conjunct tropical NN exactly in synastry?

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never heard of draco, is this something in Sidereal? is so I suggest you DON'T mix the two as they are NOT compatible in my book..

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posted March 02, 2012 10:42 AM            

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never heard of draco, is this something in Sidereal?

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SaggiMC -

Noel Tyl, on Draconic Charts: http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/080831.html

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And, from IqHunk's site: http://www.tamsoft.co.in/draconic.html

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In a nutshell

a) they explain how our Node based chart is vital for spiritual evolution

b) how important the 0 degree point of Aries is in astrology

c) If someone's draconic chart makes no important aspects to your draconic or tropical chart, then they just cannot be related to you"

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posted March 12, 2012 06:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Heh, I remember having this w/ someone.

His Venus was conjunct my NN....a bit past it,
I didn't feel a thing for him.

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Interesting aspect, do you think that would also apply if the guys north node is conjunct the girls mars? So in other words he would be affected by her but wont be happy if the girl's mars doesn't pursue him?

posted March 12, 2012 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I had my Venus conj his SN exact. I could not see straight

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posted March 12, 2012 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Nightingale:
I see it as positive for both parties. I think it means destined to love someone, or at least to like them and value them, with the Venus doing most of the loving.

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posted March 12, 2012 10:38 PM            

But the NN is an important karmic lesson. If someone asked you to write an essay pointing out all the ways in which it is a positive and good thing for a person to behave in an Aries-like manner.... Do you think you would be able to?

I asked myself this question about Taurus, since my NN is Taurus.. and frankly it is difficult! Because every sentence I would type.. my Scorpio SN is screaming "Noooooo that's NOT good!! That's superficial! That's flakey..."

It is common also - for a person with a social South Node.. to view the personal NN traits - as 'selfish' - self-centered etc. The social south node person is naturally centred on *other* people. Libra loves putting others first.. and Scorpio is a good psychologist. They are very interested in others.
But in their current life, they have to learn (perhaps the hard way) that they have to be *more* interested in themselves... than they are in others.. whether they like it or not.

posted March 12, 2012 10:46 PM            

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What could she possibly teach me about love?

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To love yourself and put yourself first.
This is very difficult for Libra SN - They instinctively want to put everyone else first. They don't know *how to* be self-centred.

But based on my experience with Nodes -- since you have an Aries NN -- You don't just have to learn to be self-centred. You also have to learn to LIKE it and to understand why sometimes being self-centred can be a good thing.

posted March 13, 2012 02:43 PM              

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Nice
Question what if the couple had weak saturn aspects?
Saturn sextile Saturn
Saturn conjunct Uranus
Saturn trine NN (wide 3degs)

Would the Venus-NN aspect be powerful enough to make there relationship last longer?

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The thing with karma doesn't link to longevity about either about teaching that person something or learning something from them. It could be a liflong matter or just a few days. It doesn't guarantee there will be a relationship either.

Saturn acts as cement for good OR bad.

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Venus conjunct, sextile, or trine other person's North Node

This pairing is a strong indication of a binding tie between you. You are likely to find it easy to cooperate with one another, perhaps even combining your talents successfully. A major focus of this relationship is romantic love, and in all likelihood the feelings for one another were instant. There is a true feeling of enjoyment and pleasure with one another.

Venus conjunct other person's South Node (opposite other person's North Node), or square the other person's Nodes

A feeling of instant affection is likely between the two of you. A powerful feeling of needing to be with one another is present, although over time, difficulties and challenges arise that could pull you apart. There may be a time when one or both of you feels that they have "outgrown" the relationship in some way, or that the other person is holding them back--and this is generally felt by the Node person. This combination is sometimes considered an aspect of star-crossed lovers. http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/venus_northnode_aspects.html

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posted March 13, 2012 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:

I think the NN is the *most* difficult point to master and gain an understanding of..

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Agreed.

At least for me, the NN is a very difficult point to develop.

I have it on my DSC, and relationships (and friendships) are the hardest thing (probably because I'm quite self-centered - not in a bad way, just preocuppied with myself and my own growth, etc).

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Best Synastry Aspects
By Marina
Synastry aspects between natal charts to describe connections between two people. We look at this after first determining each persons relationship needs by studying their natal charts. It is essential to look at both charts first because you really do need to know what the other persons planets are plugging into. Person A’s planets will work like a permanent transit on person B’s planets when they are together, so its important to see just what this planet is triggering in the others chart. This is why reading synastry aspects in isolation can give a false impression.

For example, a couple may have the Venus conjunct Mars aspect in their synastry. Bingo! But hey, what if that Mars is aggravating an already seething Venus? What if B’s Venus is on the star Algol and conjunct Pluto? Ouch! All that blissful, romantic sexual compatibility could be blown away by extreme obsession, jealousy and even abuse. This may actually be OK if both partners are rather Plutonian, they could even channel this energy into S & M, making it cathartic and healing for them both. So again you need to keep in mind the basic personalities of each partner.

When we look at synastry, we have to sift through all the aspects to get an overall picture. But first we do have to see if we are getting hits on the basics, which I think are important for the long term prospects of a couple. For me the basics are the Sun, Moon and Ascendant (the souls trinity) in aspect to the sexual planets (Venus and Mars) and the social planets of balance (Jupiter and Saturn). If you are a karmic astrologer then the Vertex and the North Node are also important. It’s these basics that I use in my soulmate aspect test. To me they are the foundations of a successful relationship.

Best Synastry Aspects
Sun Sun Synastry Aspects
The Sun is the core of our being and identity so harmonious aspects between Sun’s in synastry will usually be easy going. You are both on the same page basically. You will not challenge each others egos. You are so at ease with the other person that you support each other by just being who you are. Even the opposition isn’t bad because there is a nice magnetic opposites attract feeling. You feel like you compliment each other, that together you are one. The square is the most difficult but it’s still a connection so it is compelling and dynamic. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert had this one, it’s more like “I have met my match”. Ego will take a beating, but they will whip each other into shape.

Moon Moon Synastry Aspects
The Moon is our habits and our auto-pilot, how we instinctively react. The Moon is how we like to be nurtured and cuddled. So its preferable for the Moon’s to be harmonious in synastry if we want our relationship to feel like a comfy pair of slippers. Domestics are more likely to occur with hard aspects and even the conjunction because the sensitivity that comes with the Moon might just be rubbing a bit too close to the bone when the Moon’s are onto of each other. Either that or it could just be a little too symbiotic, merging into each other so that you don’t know where one ends and the other begins, like you are still in the womb.
Sun Moon Synastry Aspects
This is the classic marriage indicator simply because it is what marriage is all about. The balance of day and night is what keeps the earth fertile. Ying and yang, male and female, partnership and balance. Fertility and growth are the fundamentals of a successful relationship. Even if you are not having children together you want your soul to thrive as well as to be materially comfortable. Harmonious aspects facilitate this fecundity. The opposition makes for a sexy polarity. The square will put obstacles in the way of growth, but the growth may end up being more durable because it will have forced you to build up more resilience. Again Victoria & Albert had this too.

Sun Moon Ascendant Synastry Aspects
The Ascendant/Desendant is the relationship axis, it is a work in progress, it describes our journey through life and how we adjust ourselves when we are confronted by people and new experiences. The Ascendant is the vehicle of the Soul, while the Luminaries (Sun and Moon) are the drivers. The Sun would be driving in a more conscious, purposeful way whereas the Moon would be more auto-pilot and going with the flow of the river. A sympathetic relationship between the Sun or Moon and the Ascendant means you all want to go in the same direction. Because of this you should both achieve more together, get things done swiftly and as stress free as possible because you are not fighting over the steering wheel. Horse and rider are as one. There is a feeling of “Us against the world.”

Venus Mars Synastry Aspects
Of course for most people sex is important in a relationship so it is preferable to have Venus and Mars in aspect. It really doesn’t matter if the aspect is hard or soft, well it might in the bedroom perhaps…These two connecting more or less guarantees sexual chemistry that doesn’t dim too much after the initial excitement fades. The hard aspects seem to make it more potent and exciting. With that also comes the potential for more aggression and a clash of libidos, when one partner wants it and the other isn’t in the mood. The magic Venus/Mars aspect on its own is not enough to hold a couple together. But you certainly need this or another sexual aspect if you want long term zing.

North Node Synastry Aspects
The North Node in synastry is hugely important because it shows where our soul needs to go to evolve. It is very sweet to see this feature in synastry between a couple, because it shows they are helping each other down the same spiritual path. The North Node conjunct Vertex is one of the top indicators for marriage. Other than the Vertex, then the Luminaries, Ascendant, Venus or Mars conjunct the North Node are going to be a winner as your relationship will be in line with your souls development. A square to the Nodes will be far more challenging and more likely to be a karmic contract type relationship where there is some excess baggage that is blocking you both and needs resolving once and for all.

Vertex Synastry Aspects
The Vertex works like an alternative Ascendant and is the point of destiny encounters. When someones sexual planet falls on this it can feel very compelling, like whirlpool it draws you in and feels incredibly fated. This sort of contact can be life changing, but it doesn’t mean it is long term. The Vertex effect is like being hit by a thunderbolt and can be enlightening. The Vertex in combination with the luminaries or Saturn is more likely to give the destined feeling mileage. With the sexual planets it could one of those crazy flings that are unforgettable.

Saturn Jupiter Synastry Aspects
I like to see an even spread of these two in connection with the personal planets. They are the balancers. You don’t need tons, just enough Saturn to give stamina and relationship glue and just enough Jupiter to give fun and optimism. An imbalance of either is not great. Too much Saturn without Jupiter you can get depression, meanness, obstacles and overworking. Jupiter without Saturn restraint can breed indulgence, infidelity, pipe dreams and gambling. I find the hard aspects work better with Jupiter while the soft work better with Saturn.

Sun/Moon midpoint Synastry Aspects
If we don’t have the luminaries in aspect then then this one more than makes up for it, but only if it is in hard aspect (conjunction, opposition or square). The Sun/Moon midpoint represents the balancing of the masculine and feminine within and the inner marriage. A hard aspect from partner A’s Sun, Moon, AC or Vertex to this point, brings the sun and the Moon together and makes Partner B feel whole. This is also said to be a karmic contract aspect, where one partner has promised something to the other in this lifetime. It could be something like giving the other children or even breaking them up from a stagnant or abusive relationship.

Mercury Synastry Aspects
Mercury in synastry is often overlooked, but in the information age it’s value is increasing. Of course communication between a couple is essential because its a bond like any other. With so much competition from social networking sites and the internet, if a couple cannot have stimulating conversations together than after the sexual buzz has worn off there is a real danger of stagnation and bordom. The Mercury aspects don’t always even need to be harmonious, they just need to be connected. A good debate can stimulate the passions and can be great foreplay. The occasional argument is healthy for purging and cleansing bottled up emotions lest they fester and become toxic. http://darkstarastrology.com/best-synastry-aspects/

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Nodes in Synastry
A reader said she liked my synastry post and that more people should be writing on this topic. Since my progressed sun is in the seventh house, maybe this is a good time for me to think and write about relationships.
When I think of synastry, I always want to know what the nodes are doing. It’s the influence of Eugenie Diserio. Years ago, I spent a few months in Singapore. Surfing the net. That’s all I did. Ten to twelve hours a day. And what I stumbled upon was Eugenie Diserio’s “Ask Genie” column on astrology and relationships. She’d give relationship advice and she’d always factor in the nodes. Eugenie’s a great astrologer and a good writer and she’s made a deep impact on how I approach charts when it comes to relationships.
Important relationships always show nodal connections whether it is work, marriage, friendship or those rare and magical times when we feel inexplicably yet inexorably drawn to someone we just met. The nodes (by themselves) do not promise longevity in relationships, nor does the presence of nodal contacts guarantee that a relationship will ever form. But they do indicate that a connection exists, maybe just at the soul level, and the person who has nodal synastry with you will leave their mark on the fabric of your being.
Traditionally, the south node indicates our past lives and the north node the lessons we need to learn in the present one. So if someone’s planets conjunct your south node, they bring with them the flavor of the old bonds you once shared. Venus conjunct the south node is a past-life lover and you will share a haunting chemistry with them. The sun and the moon can indicate a parent; Jupiter, a teacher and so on. The north node contacts are people who light up the path you are meant to pursue in this life. They are all your teachers, each and every one of them. They help you become who you are meant to be in this life. It is because of this reason that astrologers favor NN contacts over the SN node while examining the health of a relationship.
I just did a rapid chart scan of people who matter or have mattered to me, to see how the nodes were playing out. There is contact between the nodes and planets in almost every single case. The man who broke my heart has his Venus conjunct my SN node, an aspect Cafe Astrology describes as that of star-crossed lovers. The man I married has his sun in the same sign as my NN and vice versa. One of my closest friends has her Jupiter exactly conjunct my NN: a friend I made when I was in my late twenties, not a time when friendship is easy to form, and I know that we will be friends forever in this lifetime. An ex-boss, and my favorite example of a person who uses her power well, has her Uranus conjunct my NN: I learnt a lot from her.
The contacts exist even with casual friends with whom I share a light but meaningful bond. Take, RR: my Venus conjuncts her NN and her Mercury conjuncts my NN. She’s a beautiful free spirit and our paths seldom cross, but once in a while we hang out and get to talking. Because her Scorpio sun is in the same sign as my moon, we tend to talk of Scorpionic things. And every single time, our conversation is punctuated by goose pimples. This happens multiple times in a single conversation. I laugh at this and tell her we both must have been white witches in a past life. The nodal connections in the charts don’t show any past life links, but they do show the presence of easy affection and flowing communication. And it’s true; our encounters always leave us feeling happier. A whimsical way to see it would be to say that she belongs to my extended soul family.
Whether you delving deeper into synastry as a subject, or merely interested in it for a personal reason, you can do no better than to take a look at what the experts have to say. So what are you waiting for? Here are the links: http://astrologyexpressed.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/nodes-in-synastry/

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Keeping with the idea that the Nodes have a karmic symbolism, it becomes easy to understand how the use of the Nodal Axis in synastry is very important in gauging relationship potential.

There are relationships that come and go without much of a lasting effect in one's life and then there are relationships that make a lasting impact forever. In some cases, these kinds of relationships are bigger than the two people. It is as if some power beyond the two people is calling the shots of the relationship to a significance that goes beyond the norm. Two people are seemingly swept away with what happens between them and important life lessons are learned. We can be glib and suggest that these kinds of relationships exist because the souls of two people have a kind of recognition that goes beyond what can be understood with the eyes on the physical level. Whatever the reason might be, there is simply no question that there is major relationship potential suggested when the planets or an Angle of one horoscope makes contact with the Nodal Axis in another horoscope.

Because the Lunar Nodal Axis is the symbol of the Moon's (female) intersection with the Sun's (male) apparent path around the Earth (ecliptic) and because of the association with birth and rebirth, thus past lives, we see it as being a very primary symbol to be used in synastry. Using a three degree orb maximum, contacts (conjunction, square, and quindecile) made from one person's planets or Angle to the other person's Nodal Axis is an indication of a link between two people that is of such potential profundity that it cannot be fully understood (I also count trines but with no more than a two degree orb). We assume that the relationship has strong karmic implications about it that heavily impacts the lives of the two people in the relationship. http://www.themetaarts.com/archives/200308/basilfearington.html

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Getting to Node You: Astrology's Hidden Grip in Relationships

By Noel Tyl

When two people get together, two horoscopes meet. One person's needs and behavioural resources interact with another person's needs and behaviours. Specifically, one person's idealism, say (the conjunction of Mercury and Venus, or Mercury strongly focused in Pisces), may be beautifully trine the other person's Moon in Cancer, the reigning need for emotional and family security. That would be a ‘comfortable' blend, a harmonious bond, through the trine aspect that links similar 'colours' of being (within the same element family).

One person's Saturn - the awareness of strategy, control, and ambition - may oppose or square another person's Mars - energy and drive - suggesting a fight for leadership, a struggle for dominance; conservatism and caution in one person working to subdue spontaneity and volatility in the other. Who makes the decisions? Resolution of anything is difficult.

When one person's Sun or Moon makes any aspect with the Sun or Moon in someone else's horoscope, it is a highly reliable indication of harmony. The two find it easy to be together. Marriage is an extreme development out of this basic harmony, of course, but togetherness must begin somewhere and Sun-Moon ties are very natural, easily taken for granted, and always strongly appreciated. Doing business with someone with whom you make such contact is always the best business deal you can make.

Just as you would think, when your Mars and someone else's Venus, or your Venus and someone else's Mars whistle to each other through aspect relationships, the tune is not just 'Dixie', it's visceral awareness - if age and sociology support potential - and if Pluto is in the mix, the waters run deep and powerfully, and everything else can be put aside for the moment, or a lifetime!

Uranus contacts are intense excitement at best and nervous agitation at worst, and the manifestation of the tie depends upon which planet, say, in your chart is getting the 'charge' from the other person's Uranus. It's like a 'jump start' from someone else's battery to yours.

Neptune contacts are misty, cloudy, and perhaps even untrustworthy, so doing business with someone whose Neptune is on your Sun or Midheaven or Mercury presents a long list of cautions!

Jupiter is an uplifting bond between horoscopes, a broad accent of enthusiasm one to another, for one another.

As the synastric profile builds, we begin to see that the relationship founded by Moon-Sun contact supports trade offs at less imposingly fundamental levels of life. That's the way it is getting together with someone else: we like someone
fundamentally, and this good feeling colours all other measurements of compatibility and resource exchange. In this case, this was achieved by the nebulous, vague, and gossamer Neptune between them.

THIS is a powerful cluster of ties, for sure. Whenever there is a tight relationship, usually conjunction/opposition or square between one person's Lunar Nodal Axis and another person's planet, Ascendant, or Midheaven, there is a dimension to the relationship tie that goes very, very deep. The relationship can even be strange, as we will see in some other cases. The relationship can drain someone's resources, even possess someone; and here, there certainly is clear
The Lunar Nodal Axis

The Lunar Nodal Axis is defined by two points where the Moon's path in orbit around the Earth intersects the plane of orbit of the Earth around the Sun. These points are symbolically a synthesis of the Sun's apparent motion and the Moon's actual motion, tying together Sun and Moon symbolism, accentuating relationship, leader and follower, male and female, light and reflection. These dichotomies are certainly the concepts that are extolled in successful relationships of any kind, verging on the poetical when love is involved.
When the Nodal Axis in one person's horoscope is configured with a planet or angular point in another person's horoscope, the tie is very, very strong, especially in terms of the planet or personal point (Ascendant or Midheaven) configured. When the Sun or Moon is involved, there seems to be a core recognition, a sense of belonging to one
another, if you will. Even under the worst of circumstances, the relationship bond is hard to break. When Mercury is
involved, the relationship bond is powerfully focused in the mind, in the thinking process, in communication. This Mercurial dimension is the bond between Bush and Quayle.

With Venus, romanticism; with Mars, aggression or defensiveness, and strong sexuality; with Jupiter, enthusiasm, understanding; with Saturn, control, manipulation; Uranus, intense, electrifying magnetism; with Neptune, deception, mistrust, or fantasy and aesthetics; with Pluto, empowerment. The Midheaven involvement links one person to the other in terms of career, even personal destiny; with the Ascendant, how one is presented to the world.

When the Nodal Axis sets up such a bond between two people - or two nations, as we will see later - can we say that such a bond was bound to happen? That it may come close to being destined? I think so. Nodal contacts carry something primal and inscrutable with them. They are definitely astrology's hidden grip in relationships. http://www.astrologywithdonnalyn.com/articles/tyl_nodes.html

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posted March 13, 2012 09:40 PM            

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inthemisosoup - It's VERY common (it's actually CLASSIC) for the NN person to think such things about the planet person.. and it's not surprising you used the word selfish, since Venus rules self-love amongst other things.
The NN point is not something that is easy for you. It's not something that you naturally *want*to see the best in.
It's easy to see the worst in these people.. up until you get used to your NN... It takes time.

But the NN is an important karmic lesson. If someone asked you to write an essay pointing out all the ways in which it is a positive and good thing for a person to behave in an Aries-like manner.... Do you think you would be able to?

I asked myself this question about Taurus, since my NN is Taurus.. and frankly it is difficult! Because every sentence I would type.. my Scorpio SN is screaming "Noooooo that's NOT good!! That's superficial! That's flakey..."

It is common also - for a person with a social South Node.. to view the personal NN traits - as 'selfish' - self-centered etc. The social south node person is naturally centred on *other* people. Libra loves putting others first.. and Scorpio is a good psychologist. They are very interested in others.
But in their current life, they have to learn (perhaps the hard way) that they have to be *more* interested in themselves... than they are in others.. whether they like it or not.

I think the NN is the *most* difficult point to master and gain an understanding of.. but as far as I have seen most people do eventually - because life makes it so you cannot avoid it... like your sister being *there*, for example. You cannot avoid her.

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posted March 13, 2012 10:02 PM            

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Heh, I remember having this w/ someone.

His Venus was conjunct my NN....a bit past it, close enough to my Ascendant to consider it a loose Venus-Asc conjunction as well.

I didn't feel a thing for him. He had this tendency to single me out in group settings, criticizing me and putting me on the spot.

[Amusing (in hindsight) anecdote: He eventually got with someone, her Venus and Moon trine his Venus, and they got married. He was in charge of the seating charts for the wedding, and he seated me separately from my then-fiance. People were shocked. I was furious and he later claimed it was an honest mistake but ya right....someone who knows him well let slip, "Wow, that's mean" when he saw the seating.]

So yeah, unrequited. Seemed he hated me and I was indifferent.

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posted March 14, 2012 07:28 AM            

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Originally posted by maira:
The NN is the one in love; maybe it sees the Venus person as someone who loves perfectly, and NN feels that it's destiny to learn how to love like that.

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My Venus is conjunct my college boyfriend's NN. He loved me more than I loved him.

That's okay, he was a Tiger and enjoyed the arrangement, I think...more of a challenge.

posted March 15, 2012 02:22 PM              

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Lol was this guy a virgo?
Virgo guys criticise when they're into you. Supposedly.

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He's a Libra with a lot of Scorpio in addition to Virgo. So maybe he gets jealous (Scorpio) of other people's (Libra) happiness, who knows. Or maybe he prefers everyone else be single so he can keep his one-to-one relationships with them more intensely? He just can't stand being alone.