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Topic: Born Mentally Ill?
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maira
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posted March 15, 2012 08:18 PM
  
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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
The psychological astrologers all pretty much agree that it's a combination of things that produce mental illness. It's never about being born with it. Environment ~ home/social have to be taken into account.
Hi, welcome back!
Aren't environement factors also shown in the natal? Houses would show the "where" and aspects would show how and who - for example an opposition to Pluto would bring abuse(ers) until the aspect is integrated. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 15, 2012 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by mercuranian:
i have a bachelors degree in psychology. i didn't care to pursue it further. the "scholastic" route wasn't giving me what i was looking for -- astrology finally did!!!!
EXACTLY
That is my point. I am glad some people are understanding that!
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Ami Anne
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posted March 15, 2012 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Its funny how that angular mercury uranus conj somehow makes me "insane", but I am so in tune with astrology, I can truely "feel" the planets. Some of the greatest astrologers ever were born with major mercury-uranus aspects, I wonder if they were seen as so called "insane" also??
I did not realize the angular Mercury was more powerful. Do you mean conjunct an Angle or in an angular house? ------------------
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Betty Boop
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posted March 15, 2012 08:20 PM
I don't find it controversial. I think it's very true!I always say I'm crazy and I have the Merc/Uranus square but it's so fun. It's a really fun aspect.. if it doesn't completely drive you nuts lol But it's more like Merc/Uranus are born with a weird brain.. Our brain seems to be constantly *on energy drinks*. We come up with seriously weird ideas.. but sometimes people find them amazing. Other times they just stare at you like "ummmmm rrrrright - maybe not...." Lmao IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted March 15, 2012 08:21 PM
Also - now I have it in synastry as a trine... his Uranus at 18 Scorpio is exactly trine my Mercury at 18 Pisces.. I am constantly laughing when I am with him!
There's a lot of humour & fun times - when Merc & Uranus meet. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 15, 2012 08:22 PM
Let me reiterate for people who take artistic license literally. One uses a title as a way to make your piece interesting.It is not literal.------------------
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mercuranian
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posted March 15, 2012 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I don't find it controversial. I think it's very true!I always say I'm crazy and I have the Merc/Uranus square but it's so fun. It's a really fun aspect.. if it doesn't completely drive you nuts lol
i love my mercury uranus opposition as well!  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 15, 2012 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by mercuranian:
i love my mercury uranus opposition as well!
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maira
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posted March 15, 2012 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by mercuranian:
i love my mercury uranus opposition as well!
I have the trine and very pleased with it as well IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 15, 2012 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by maira:
I have the trine and very pleased with it as well
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Faith
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posted March 16, 2012 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Here are some others I use, Faith.If you look them up and have the numbers, that would be great!
Angel
Apollo Hekate Kaali Lilith Quaoar Nessus Dejanira Ixiion Sedna Medusa Eros Sappho Psyche Casanova Cupido Echo Narcissus
Hi Ami I'm up late for once (too much coffee today!) and trying to figure out how I can get a list to you conveniently. Is there a "one stop shop" you use for asteroids? I clicked on the whole given list at astro.com. Not sure what you are looking for in terms of research, but you asked about my Saturn. It's at 0* Leo Rx, almost trine Venus at 7 Sag and almost square Uranus at 7 Scorpio. The only asteroids aspecting Saturn tightly are Ceres (Gem 1), Vesta (0 Aries), and Sedna (Taurus 3.) Does this give you any clues about my wretched relationship with my sister? Thanks for your help.
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Faith
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posted March 16, 2012 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Also - now I have it in synastry as a trine... his Uranus at 18 Scorpio is exactly trine my Mercury at 18 Pisces.. I am constantly laughing when I am with him!
There's a lot of humour & fun times - when Merc & Uranus meet.
BB, I always enjoy your comments. Obviously because you are smart but maybe it's because I have Mercury square Uranus, too. And my moon is at 19 Pisces. You just make a lot of sense to me. 
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tautomer4314
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posted March 16, 2012 12:50 AM
Well, you literally can be born mentally ill. See this. It might be a bit sad for some, but it's very insightful: video link.When it comes to being truly mentally ill I think of the 3 big ones: Schizophrenia, schizoaffective, and bipolar disorder. Others that fall outside of that (usually) aren't as severe and hindering. As to if it is predisposed in someones chart, I bet some indicator of it could be there. The question is if the person can fight their way out of it. As a bit of a side note, if someone truly "loses their mind" and is no longer themselves, I believe their soul or spirit has gone elsewhere. There could be many reasons why that would occur. So in a way, they are dead. It's sad, but it makes sense to me. ------------------
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Faith
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posted March 16, 2012 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I was on the verge of becoming institutionalized.Mitchell had a ton of grammal seizures as a baby because of his kidney and liver diseases and associated viral infections, offset by immense doses of Phenobarbital. We don't know if the antiepileptics were responsible for his Asperger's autism, but I have that too. Technically, all the boys in my family are mentally afflicted.
 But you also extremely strong, mentally...is your son?
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Faith
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posted March 16, 2012 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by maira:
Hi, welcome back!
Aren't environement factors also shown in the natal? Houses would show the "where" and aspects would show how and who - for example an opposition to Pluto would bring abuse(ers) until the aspect is integrated.
Hi Maira, Can you explain more about this? I have Pluto Libra in the third house, opposed to Jupiter Aries (within 5 degree orb). My Jupiter is exactly conjunct one brother's Aries sun (square my own Cap sun). Sometimes he was brutal on me, growing up. I thought it was just because our suns are square. It was a big problem for me. Brother's sun/my Jupiter: 16 Aries
My sun: 16 Cap
Sister's sun: 17 Cancer Yikes! IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted March 16, 2012 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
Well, you literally can be born mentally ill. See this. It might be a bit sad for some, but it's very insightful: video link.When it comes to being truly mentally ill I think of the 3 big ones: Schizophrenia, schizoaffective, and bipolar disorder. Others that fall outside of that (usually) aren't as severe and hindering. As to if it is predisposed in someones chart, I bet some indicator of it could be there. The question is if the person can fight their way out of it. As a bit of a side note, if someone truly "loses their mind" and is no longer themselves, I believe their soul or spirit has gone elsewhere. There could be many reasons why that would occur. So in a way, they are dead. It's sad, but it makes sense to me.
Yeah, really sad. The sister I had when I was young is dead to me. I've been looking for her in vain for years. Edit: I'm watching that video and not liking how they are treating the little girl. Her name's January and she seems more Aquarius to me. Wild guess. Hmmm..just looked this up and not surprisingly, Thorazine has a side effect of causing people to become violent. IP: Logged |
alaz7200
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posted March 16, 2012 01:50 AM
Forgive me, Ami, but I'm not too well-versed in cazimis. Does the aspect apply to any planetary combination? For example, I have Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio at a 5.19 orb. Would this be cazimi, and if so, how would that apply?Also, you mentioned Mercury being indicative of mental orientation. There is someone of interest to me... this person has Mercury conjunct Mars, both directly opposite the Moon. What do you make of that combo? IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted March 16, 2012 01:52 AM
Hmmm... I had my chart looked at by several astrologiers and they all mentioned that I am prone to serious depression and bi-polar... not sure if that is due to saturn in 12th house of my moon square uranus (<2 degrees). I never thought of myself as mentally weak/ill.. I valued every experiences that made me stronger mentally, afterall, I am expected to pick myself up myself... Everyting that is bad is now in the past and any mental instability that I have is just a passing phrase (I do self-motivation talk to myself) and most importantly, I pray to God that they will never come back. Oh well... there must be something in my chart that makes me so optimistic!!! I have that childlike optimistism that drives ppl around me crazy sometimes - I forget the bad things easily.  Yeah, I'm on MC today!!! I can stay all day on the forum!! IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted March 16, 2012 02:05 AM
Honestly, there are several different types of mental illness and yes, I believe that these things can be shown in natal charts. This post is too vague in regards to what kind of mental illness your mom has. For instance, depression (a kind of mental illness) shows up in a chart via the Moon or maybe 12th house planets. Narcissism, is a different kind of mental illness that shows up maybe by the Sun or Venus or ASC (I haven't studied the charts of people with narcissism so I have no idea). Sociopathy is the same, different aspects will point to it. Sun conjunct Mercury by itself does not point to mental illness (and I should hope not because it is one of the most common aspects there is).And to be perfectly fair and honest (and not trying to be rude), I'm not sure that you should be writing with such authority on the subject since you just started learning astrology. Students might be misled. I've been studying it for 6 years now and I would never even think about writing articles like this, or at least not publicly. I'm kind of blunt so forgive me IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 16, 2012 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Does the aspect apply to any planetary combination? For example, I have Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio at a 5.19 orb. Would this be cazimi, and if so, how would that apply?
No, cazimi only relates to conjunctions to the Sun within an orb of 00°17.
And combust only relates to conjunctions to the Sun with a wider orb than 17 minutes. Of course any tight conjunction is of extra-importance. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 16, 2012 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Forgive me, Ami, but I'm not too well-versed in cazimis. Does the aspect apply to any planetary combination? For example, I have Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio at a 5.19 orb. Would this be cazimi, and if so, how would that apply?Also, you mentioned Mercury being indicative of mental orientation. There is someone of interest to me... this person has Mercury conjunct Mars, both directly opposite the Moon. What do you make of that combo?
I think the cazimi refers to merc and the Sun --at less than 5 degrees only. I think it is used specifically with Merc and the Sun as the Sun "burns" up Merc and that is the problem. Merc literally has too much fire on it and hence the person loses normal objectivity which would be had by Mercury removed from the Sun.Mercury was meant to have objectivity as one needs it lol
If someone insults you which happens all the time, you need to step back or you will attack them. Mercury allows one to step back from one's ego(the Sun) You can imagine what it would feel like if they were on top of each other.
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Ami Anne
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posted March 16, 2012 04:54 AM
Faith
There is an asteroid Ephemeris--Google Senunu( sp)---or Asteroid Ephemeris
If you can't find it, I will. Then put your chart up in Personal Readings addressed to me.I have not been doing Personal Readings like I used to due to my own clients but I would like to give something back for your kindness which I really appreciate. When I am attacked, it is good I don't have Mercury conj the Sun in a cazimi  ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted March 16, 2012 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, cazimi only relates to conjunctions to the Sun within an orb of 00°17.
And combust only relates to conjunctions to the Sun with a wider orb than 17 minutes.Of course any tight conjunction is of extra-importance.
Thanks Ceri!
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Ami Anne
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posted March 16, 2012 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Forgive me, Ami, but I'm not too well-versed in cazimis. Does the aspect apply to any planetary combination? For example, I have Venus conjunct Pluto in Scorpio at a 5.19 orb. Would this be cazimi, and if so, how would that apply?Also, you mentioned Mercury being indicative of mental orientation. There is someone of interest to me... this person has Mercury conjunct Mars, both directly opposite the Moon. What do you make of that combo?
I love Merc conj Mars. The person will speak their mind. Opposite to moon may make them have a hard time with woman in general and/or with their own mother.
Mars/merc oppose Moon may make them aggressive one minute and sensitive the next and self doubting what they just did. Am I right?Please weigh in on this, someone who can help. Thanks so much!
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Ami Anne
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posted March 16, 2012 04:58 AM
This thought hit me--Cazimi Therapy Center.------------------
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