posted March 16, 2012 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Honestly, there are several different types of mental illness and yes, I believe that these things can be shown in natal charts. This post is too vague in regards to what kind of mental illness your mom has. For instance, depression (a kind of mental illness) shows up in a chart via the Moon or maybe 12th house planets. Narcissism, is a different kind of mental illness that shows up maybe by the Sun or Venus or ASC (I haven't studied the charts of people with narcissism so I have no idea). Sociopathy is the same, different aspects will point to it. Sun conjunct Mercury by itself does not point to mental illness (and I should hope not because it is one of the most common aspects there is).

And to be perfectly fair and honest (and not trying to be rude), I'm not sure that you should be writing with such authority on the subject since you just started learning astrology. Students might be misled. I've been studying it for 6 years now and I would never even think about writing articles like this, or at least not publicly. I'm kind of blunt so forgive me

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I am cool with respectful criticism Amwols. I do have a traditional Masters degree in the subject but I do always say I am a 3 year student. I think I do qualify that I am exploring areas rather than putting myself as an authority. I believe it really helps to talk about things. Also, even authorities disagree on most everything. With all the being said, I feel I can explore things with those who care to do so. If someone is offended, they need to express it as you did or ignore imho.
Thanks Sweetie!

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posted March 16, 2012 05:05 AM            

Does anyone have an exact one? I had a friend who did.One of my Chiron casualties

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posted March 16, 2012 05:28 AM            

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posted March 16, 2012 05:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

But you also extremely strong, mentally...is your son?

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Mentally strong as intelligent, yes. 3.88 GPA, and PSATs are high. I'm sure his academic record will exceed mine.

Mentally strong as in resilient? I'm nothing compared to him. He has returned from the brink of death many times right before my eyes. His medical records include a kidney transplant, more than 19 other operative surgeries and more than 100 seizures. He is tough as a brick wall.

And while we are at masters degrees, it'll be alright if anyone wants to whip theirs out, because I have three of them and all from the Ivy League, as is my college degree. Ami worked hard for her masters dgree. She is academically credentialed, which is more than I can say for some of those slinging mud at her.

posted March 16, 2012 05:44 AM            

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Sun sextile Pluto - You allow yourself to explore "taboo" or different subjects. Are you obsessive when it comes to unearthing truths or secrets?

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Karka is doing my chart in PR. This is what she asked me.

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posted March 16, 2012 06:48 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Honestly, there are several different types of mental illness and yes, I believe that these things can be shown in natal charts. This post is too vague in regards to what kind of mental illness your mom has. For instance, depression (a kind of mental illness) shows up in a chart via the Moon or maybe 12th house planets. Narcissism, is a different kind of mental illness that shows up maybe by the Sun or Venus or ASC (I haven't studied the charts of people with narcissism so I have no idea). Sociopathy is the same, different aspects will point to it. Sun conjunct Mercury by itself does not point to mental illness (and I should hope not because it is one of the most common aspects there is).

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I completely agree with this, I've been meaning to write the same thing yesterday but Mercury retrograde has me tongue tied.
The human mind is so complex and personality disorders so different that I don't think there is a common element to them (on that note, tautomer, you should see a borderline acting out... it's as ugly as it gets).

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posted March 16, 2012 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi Maira,

Can you explain more about this? I have Pluto Libra in the third house, opposed to Jupiter Aries (within 5 degree orb).

My Jupiter is exactly conjunct one brother's Aries sun (square my own Cap sun). Sometimes he was brutal on me, growing up. I thought it was just because our suns are square. It was a big problem for me.

Brother's sun/my Jupiter: 16 Aries
My sun: 16 Cap
Sister's sun: 17 Cancer

Yikes!

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posted March 16, 2012 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
my mother is a Narcissist. Does anyone have specifics on this?

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posted March 16, 2012 07:11 AM            

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines narcissistic personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

posted March 16, 2012 07:24 AM            

Her Jupiter is kind of whacked. I would love your take on it Maira!

posted March 16, 2012 07:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Pretty rude topic, so I'll give you a response that might prompt your "ignoring."

Do you get paid to start threads on this board or something? I sure hope you are, because you seem to start a majority of them and your post count is through the roof! Talk about "insane."

You seem obsessed with mental illness. Maybe you should find a healthy outlet for it by working towards a degree in psychology rather than trolling.

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You always seemed like a well mannered person Capriquarius Always polite and nice Reading this was quite shocking
Amelia writes VERY helpful articles we all enjoy reading
I can't believe you would attack her like that

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posted March 16, 2012 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Doreen:
You always seemed like a well mannered person Capriquarius Always polite and nice Reading this was quite shocking
Amelia writes VERY helpful articles we all enjoy reading
I can't believe you would attack her like that

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Thanks Doreen!! That means so much to me.

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posted March 16, 2012 07:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Pretty rude topic, so I'll give you a response that might prompt your "ignoring."

Do you get paid to start threads on this board or something? I sure hope you are, because you seem to start a majority of them and your post count is through the roof! Talk about "insane."

You seem obsessed with mental illness. Maybe you should find a healthy outlet for it by working towards a degree in psychology rather than trolling.

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Yes, I agree this is way out of line. This is really too much. Ami is spending her precious time n energy on the board helping many people. FOC. Whether one agrees with her or not does not give one right to make personal attacks as such.

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posted March 16, 2012 09:07 AM            

Stop the personal attacks.

That goes for everyone else.

The difference between Ami and I is that she is genteel and charismatic. I am not and there is a limit to my tolerance, beyond which I go full scale.

posted March 16, 2012 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Here they are. Of course, the reality is always more complex, since people are complex, and co-morbid disorders are the norm, but you need to make sure that the shoe really fits and isolate the main one.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines narcissistic personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

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posted March 16, 2012 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Mentally strong as intelligent, yes. 3.88 GPA, and PSATs are high. I'm sure his academic record will exceed mine.

Mentally strong as in resilient? I'm nothing compared to him. He has returned from the brink of death many times right before my eyes. His medical records include a kidney transplant, more than 19 other operative surgeries and more than 100 seizures. He is tough as a brick wall.

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*sniffles*

So inspiring!!!

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And while we are at masters degrees, it'll be alright if anyone wants to whip theirs out, because I have three of them and all from the Ivy League, as is my college degree. Ami worked hard for her masters dgree. She is academically credentialed, which is more than I can say for some of those slinging mud at her.

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I'm really appreciative of Ami's input here, too. Thanks Ami, if you're reading!

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I have Aspergers Autism, as do my two sons, my brother, my two brothers-in-law, and my father, and I'm proud of it. My brother's autism comes with a 165 IQ and a Mensa membership. His SAT and GMAT scores were also perfect. If that is being mentally ill, I pity those who aren't.

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posted March 16, 2012 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you Faith,Ariesdragon, Doreen and Lilithpluto
It is very hard for me to put myself out there in life. It may seem like I do it easily but it is by sheer force of will. Your support is so deeply touching to me that there are no words. A Gemini with no words

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YTA just came out swinging for you, too.

Amowls, I know you weren't trying to be hurtful and Ami obviously accepted your constructive criticism graciously. So nice to see civil discussion over sensitive topics. We are all geniuses here, are we not???

Namaste, friends.

posted March 16, 2012 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by maira:
I also think it's because of the square suns
I was talking about the opposition in the natal. Sun/Pluto would own and identify with only one planet and project the other one, as is the case with oppositions. In your case, I think your influence caused your brother's ego to inflate, and an Aries ego is already inflated enough.
Good thing you didn't have a Libra sibling as well, it would of made a grand cross

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Thank you, Maira!

I was going to mention that my grandfather at Libra 18 completed the grand cross, but didn't want to try anyone's patience, belaboring the point.*

He died when I was two. I was a feisty little two-year-old, though. I wonder if there was ever a four-way fight between us?

posted March 16, 2012 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Here they are. Of course, the reality is always more complex, since people are complex, and co-morbid disorders are the norm, but you need to make sure that the shoe really fits and isolate the main one.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines narcissistic personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

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My sister has all of these characteristics and had some dramatic personal disasters because of them.

In college, she announced to her church group that she was the second coming of Christ and was thus expelled. One cannot get more grandiose than that.

This IS a healing thread. It's hard for me to talk about my sister, but I feel the people here understand and won't judge her. She was dealt a difficult hand, as the saying goes.

posted March 16, 2012 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Here they are. Of course, the reality is always more complex, since people are complex, and co-morbid disorders are the norm, but you need to make sure that the shoe really fits and isolate the main one.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines narcissistic personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

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posted March 16, 2012 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Faith
There is an asteroid Ephemeris--Google Senunu( sp)---or Asteroid Ephemeris
If you can't find it, I will. Then put your chart up in Personal Readings addressed to me.I have not been doing Personal Readings like I used to due to my own clients but I would like to give something back for your kindness which I really appreciate. When I am attacked, it is good I don't have Mercury conj the Sun in a cazimi

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Thank you!

Me too- glad I don't have Mercury conj sun... However, I am a Capricorn and have QUITE the vituperative tongue when provoked beyond my patience. Good thing Saturn opposes my Mercury and makes me shut up sometimes!

I will get this together and post my chart once I figure out how to do it. Much appreciated!

posted March 16, 2012 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I am bipolar, my onset began around the age of 11 or 12, I can deal with the depression for the most part, but the manic episodes...OMG I am on fire and I have electricity racing throughout my very body and mind. I cannot feel physical pain, hunger, thirst, need for sleep or anything in this state. It happens often, they call me an "Ultra Rapid Cycler."

I have mercury conjunct uranus on the desc in scorpio. Uranus tightly semi squares my moon in cappy, 8th. Sun conj pluto i libra 1* in 6th house, Im very obesessive/compulsive also. Jupiter in 5th is also conj saturn in 6th. I've heard the jupiter saturn can cause bipolar.

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Scrappydog, I am really sorry to hear about your trouble. I hope life improves for you.

May I ask if you've ever taken medicine for it, and did it help you at all?

posted March 16, 2012 11:41 AM            

They are trine in my sister's case, 4 degrees orb. Her Aries Saturn is square her sun/moon/merc in Cancer and trine Leo Jupiter.

Saturn is friendly to Jupiter but hard on her stellium. Maybe that's why she "solves" her problems by becoming more Jupiterian...grandiose? I've have to check transits for when she had her major breakdowns.