posted March 16, 2012 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It wouldn't be so strained if I didn't LOVE my sister so much. If I didn't feel so close to her and yet, she is mentally "out there." So for most of my life I've been figuratively banging my head against a wall, trying to fix her.

She's nine years older than me but treated me like I am the older sister, for as long as I can remember.

As for her and my Dad, they became emotionally enmeshed over the years, almost like a "lethal enmeshment." They gave strangers the impression that they were husband and wife.

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YES to the husband and wife. I cringed when I saw the aspects between them, Between you and me, as we both share a Christian faith---how does one explain someone coming in to the world with THAT chart with a father?

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posted March 16, 2012 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:

Hey, you do NOT have an unaspected moon with TWO aspects. Luminaries sun/moon get upto 10' so that should be a relief to you NOT a disappointment like you keep looking for excuses for some kind of deformity...

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This is so tactless I would flag it as abusive if I were moderating.

posted March 16, 2012 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Before I have to give all of you a little time out

<Staring at the four corners of this room and gathering chairs>

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I KNOW

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posted March 16, 2012 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

The cazimi is the Sun burning up the Mercury. This is making the Mercury not able to do it's thing which is to think. Mercury likes to detach.It likes to think in a way that is not attached to the ego/Sun. Mercury likes to be purely cerebral.The cazimi does not allow this as it puts the Sun's fire on it. In a word, the ego(Sun) is too close to the mind(mercury). So, the person cannot detach from his ego. He cannot step back and evaluate. Hence, it is much harder to have a good emotional stability as you jump at every slight or offense imo

Why do you have it Saggi lol

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nope, but in traditional astrology I think it's a strength and not linked to mental illness like you would like.When you say

"Hence, it is much harder to have a good emotional stability as you jump at every slight or offense imo"

You are talking of MOON here not mercury as in communications ....

Talking about detaching ego, you could easily and most probably have *other aspects* from mercury and sun that would help with the easy flow of energies as I explained earlier,,,

"Merc/Sun combust is often the sign of a very good writer, for example, but one can get awfully caught up in one's own opinions to the point of not listening to others"

I do think you have creative writing ability with mercury trine neptune, it does seem to flow when you let go and get in the mindset... I wish I had that, but I only have mercury trine jupiter..

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posted March 16, 2012 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

YES tot the husband and wife. I cringed when I saw the aspects between them, Between you and me, as we both share a Christian faith---how does one explain someone coming in to the world with THAT chart with a father?

Any thoughts?

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(((Hug)))) Thank you for SEEING it. *Thank you.*

My father was a good and noble man. He tried in the best way he knew how, to take care of my sister. He was just in over his head. Any time he tried to expand the distance into the healthy range, she went ballistic.

They did not have an incestuous relationship, I have to make that clear.

But it looked like it and sometimes felt like it. Like the last family dinner we had, with all my five siblings and their families....my father and sister spent most of the time alone and apart from us.

After my dad died, I found out that he battled mental illness from the time he was 18-36. My mother married him and refused to believe the diagnosis and "miraculously" he was cured. He was from a very rich, prominent family and they treated his illness (?) like a dire family secret, exacerbating the issue if you ask me.

Talk about "wounded healers," though. My dad became an alcoholic (supposedly to cover the mental illness, I don't know.) He quit, joined AA, and became something like a guru to recovering alcoholics over 40 years.

At his funeral the pews were filled with scores of people we never met, who were sobbing for my father.

You understand, I really loved him. I was blessed with a good one. But sh*t happens in families. I don't know why.

posted March 16, 2012 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I am bipolar, my onset began around the age of 11 or 12, I can deal with the depression for the most part, but the manic episodes...OMG I am on fire and I have electricity racing throughout my very body and mind. I cannot feel physical pain, hunger, thirst, need for sleep or anything in this state. It happens often, they call me an "Ultra Rapid Cycler."

I have mercury conjunct uranus on the desc in scorpio. Uranus tightly semi squares my moon in cappy, 8th. Sun conj pluto i libra 1* in 6th house, Im very obesessive/compulsive also. Jupiter in 5th is also conj saturn in 6th. I've heard the jupiter saturn can cause bipolar.

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depression is more saturn/neptune matter
Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATURN

Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.

having malific planets in 6th house of health really needs careful looking at..

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posted March 16, 2012 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Mercury conj Uranus seems to be a very hard one to deal with.

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there does seem a fine line between genius and afflicted with this aspect. My father had sun conj uranus within 1' and uranus conj mercury 4' - he was a charted engineer, taught phsyics and maths in Adult Educ. But as he got older he did get 'eccentric' and rather awkward and being in pisces stellium had a great sense of humour, rather dry and sarcastic even..

posted March 16, 2012 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
The psychological astrologers all pretty much agree that it's a combination of things that produce mental illness. It's never about being born with it. Environment ~ home/social have to be taken into account.

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yeh, I agree to a point. If perhaps for example you had parents that were oppoenents pushing for control or arguing all the time or worst still being abusive to each other. A child might think this is the norm, when it's not. But by friends and school, it must dawn eventually that their environment is not the norm..

Another angle is your Soul has chosen certain Life Lessons with certain people and may have chosen a tough childhood to set them on the road of lessons. I even thing physically handicapped, or someone trapped in their bodies is on *some level* probably subconsciously chosen this life perhaps to repay some karmic debt to family and carers.

posted March 16, 2012 03:18 PM            

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Hi, welcome back!
Aren't environement factors also shown in the natal? Houses would show the "where" and aspects would show how and who - for example an opposition to Pluto would bring abuse(ers) until the aspect is integrated.

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posted March 16, 2012 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I did not realize the angular Mercury was more powerful. Do you mean conjunct an Angle or in an angular house?

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I would say both.

Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

posted March 16, 2012 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
(((Hug)))) Thank you for SEEING it. *Thank you.*

My father was a good and noble man. He tried in the best way he knew how, to take care of my sister. He was just in over his head. Any time he tried to expand the distance into the healthy range, she went ballistic.

They did not have an incestuous relationship, I have to make that clear.

But it looked like it and sometimes felt like it. Like the last family dinner we had, with all my five siblings and their families....my father and sister spent most of the time alone and apart from us.

After my dad died, I found out that he battled mental illness from the time he was 18-36. My mother married him and refused to believe the diagnosis and "miraculously" he was cured. He was from a very rich, prominent family and they treated his illness (?) like a dire family secret, exacerbating the issue if you ask me.

Talk about "wounded healers," though. My dad became an alcoholic (supposedly to cover the mental illness, I don't know.) He quit, joined AA, and became something like a guru to recovering alcoholics over 40 years.

At his funeral the pews were filled with scores of people we never met, who were sobbing for my father.

You understand, I really loved him. I was blessed with a good one. But sh*t happens in families. I don't know why.

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Well Faith
I adore IQ. He was the FIRST person to tell me what happened with my mother as I was in denial. My mother molested me. I am open about it. I tried lying and it didn't work IQ did not sugar coat it. He was not afraid to call it what it was. It was ugly.It is ugly but lying is never going to help me heal.IQ is my role model as an AStrologer. If anyone comes to me, I will tell them the truth as IQ did to me.It takes a lot of courage to be an honest and forthright Astrologer. Everything is so watered down in much of contemporary astrology that is is all sugar water.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. I will gladly refund someone's money. I don't care about that but don't ask me to lie. Not being forthright about what you see in the chart is the same as a lie imho.

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posted March 16, 2012 03:31 PM            

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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
Well, you literally can be born mentally ill. See this. It might be a bit sad for some, but it's very insightful: video link.

When it comes to being truly mentally ill I think of the 3 big ones: Schizophrenia, schizoaffective, and bipolar disorder. Others that fall outside of that (usually) aren't as severe and hindering. As to if it is predisposed in someones chart, I bet some indicator of it could be there. The question is if the person can fight their way out of it.

As a bit of a side note, if someone truly "loses their mind" and is no longer themselves, I believe their soul or spirit has gone elsewhere. There could be many reasons why that would occur. So in a way, they are dead. It's sad, but it makes sense to me.

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at the other end of the scale, what about Alzheimer and dementia, they don't call it the long slow death for nothing..

posted March 16, 2012 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Hmmm... I had my chart looked at by several astrologiers and they all mentioned that I am prone to serious depression and bi-polar... not sure if that is due to saturn in 12th house of my moon square uranus (<2 degrees). I never thought of myself as mentally weak/ill.. I valued every experiences that made me stronger mentally, afterall, I am expected to pick myself up myself... Everyting that is bad is now in the past and any mental instability that I have is just a passing phrase (I do self-motivation talk to myself) and most importantly, I pray to God that they will never come back.

Oh well... there must be something in my chart that makes me so optimistic!!! I have that childlike optimistism that drives ppl around me crazy sometimes - I forget the bad things easily.

Yeah, I'm on MC today!!! I can stay all day on the forum!!

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I have moon square uranus with no mental defect. Poss saturn in 12th lack boundaries and fatherly influences..

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posted March 16, 2012 03:38 PM            

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Honestly, there are several different types of mental illness and yes, I believe that these things can be shown in natal charts. This post is too vague in regards to what kind of mental illness your mom has. For instance, depression (a kind of mental illness) shows up in a chart via the Moon or maybe 12th house planets. Narcissism, is a different kind of mental illness that shows up maybe by the Sun or Venus or ASC (I haven't studied the charts of people with narcissism so I have no idea). Sociopathy is the same, different aspects will point to it. Sun conjunct Mercury by itself does not point to mental illness (and I should hope not because it is one of the most common aspects there is).

And to be perfectly fair and honest (and not trying to be rude), I'm not sure that you should be writing with such authority on the subject since you just started learning astrology. Students might be misled. I've been studying it for 6 years now and I would never even think about writing articles like this, or at least not publicly. I'm kind of blunt so forgive me

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It really is an eggshell area and making any claims for this or that is asking for trouble and people like me who have been studying and teaching astrology for over 20years are bound to make comments contrare to Ami. but even Ami has learn and I think this is her manner of learning..

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posted March 16, 2012 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
This is so tactless I would flag it as abusive if I were moderating.

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and how can stating an astrological fact be abusive??

It was not meant to be such, but to be encouragement that she doesn't have an afflcited unaspected moon as she DOES have two aspects.... but she seems to WANT this affliction is her business...

posted March 16, 2012 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
and how can stating an astrological fact be abusive??

It was not meant to be such, but to be encouragement that she doesn't have an afflcited unaspected moon as she DOES have two aspects.... but she seems to WANT this affliction is her business...

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Not to be disrespectful but you seem as if you do not have emotional intelligence i.e. sensitivity to people's feelings?

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posted March 16, 2012 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Saggi, please be mindful of how abrasive you can be with your words.

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I would apologise if i knew what I have done, but don't. If having an astrological viewpoint is not acceptable around here then I'm in the wrong place compeletely...

posted March 16, 2012 03:51 PM            

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.It takes a lot of courage to be an honest and forthright Astrologer. Everything is so watered down in much of contemporary astrology that is is all sugar water.

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posted March 16, 2012 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
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SEE know I got called out for being honest and forthright, just because of your reptuation arond here...

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Saggi
I am not trying to diss you. I didn't care that you said those things to me because I have been here for a long time and developed a thick enough skin where I can brush it off but other people would care so you need to address it imho.

It is not everyone else that is wrong and you who is right Saggi if most people can SEE it.

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posted March 16, 2012 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Saggi
Not to be disrespectful but you seem as if you do not have emotional intelligence i.e. sensitivity to people's feelings?

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