posted March 17, 2012 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
*waves frantically* I'm a moon square Uranus too!!

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posted March 17, 2012 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
The bold is true, but my childhood wasn't long on material comfort whatsoever, and caring older women have been conspicuously absent or afflicted in my life. My one grandmother never demonstrated an awareness of what my name was.

Maybe that's explained by my 8H Pisces moon.

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Sooooo, finally back on track then....

I have venus in 4th and I call it, "Bake a cake syndrome" as everyone gets fed and watered..
Venus here wants a venusian home, tastefully decorated, beautifully presented and this is where you 'get pleasure, and receive pleasure' in your chart

Neptune here gives a different perspective as wherever Neptune is is where you "bear your cross, make sacrifices, wish things were different"

Neptune in 4th House – angular house
Strong unconscious emotional ties with home and family. Confused family relationships and sometimes chaotic domestic environment. Often feel sorry for strangers, animals and offer ¬accommodation. Beachcombers. Sacrifices in the home (parents) Mystery concerning early life. Deception. Over idealise mothers perhaps disillusionment. Possibly put mother on a pedestal missing parent! doubts about roots! – Abandoned, adopted, or even left in a plastic bag. Very much eggshell area and therefore sensitive. Neptune the ‘great dissolver’ can literally dissolve connections to family

Neptune in 5th House – succeedent house
Unconscious desire for love and appreciation through romance and creative expression. May have artistic talents. Especially to do with music, children, or the stock markets. Ability to play a role. Love of theatre. Very sympathetic. ¬intuition strong here. This house describes love affairs and children. Romance over idealise. love at first sight. Romance seen through ¬rose tinted glasses! Did you have gas and air or ¬anesthetic during childbirth?
Artistic/creative children, secretive children, depending on aspects. Private enterprise beware the dangling carrot, be very wary of.

I don't agree with whole signs, so if you are still undecided which HS works for you, I've posted both...

And of course venus conj neptune is typical 'rose tinted glasses' in romance and finances, illusions, confusions, and delusions around relationships and finances. It could give artistic appreciation, creative talents and strong spiritual bent..

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posted March 17, 2012 05:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
"..Like you keep looking for excuses for some kind of deformity" is the language I objected to.

That was an insult.

I'm dropping this issue, but I wanted to clarify, since my objection predictably elicited some defensive backlash.

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posted March 17, 2012 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would love to get back to the subject matter as it was really helping me especially the cazimi. Please write about this if you have it or know anyone with it! Thanks!

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See problem is Ami unless YOU accept and move that you DO have two valid aspects to your moon, this will keep happening. Probably is two or three days, you post YET AGAIN, that you have an unaspected MOON. Which you don't have, then I will respond to remind you yet AGAIN that you do have TWO valid aspects to your moon. Soooo ball's in YOUR court...... as we WILL keep having this conversation again and again. You are still studying the basics, whereas I've been using and studying OVER 20years!!

posted March 17, 2012 05:32 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
*waves frantically* I'm a moon square Uranus too!!

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possibly, 5 out of 10 in fixed and fixed Angles won't help, especially when I know I'm right about this......

posted March 17, 2012 05:47 AM            

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we WILL keep having this conversation again and again

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Oh God.

What's the point of doing that?
You can't make people agree with you.

posted March 17, 2012 05:50 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
I disagree with most things "belief orientated"[karma etc] that Saggimc says but I think her astrological insight is valid. She can be very direct but I don't see her as a malicious person....and she doesn't appear to say things just for effect[or upset the applecart]. From what I've seen ~ she's consistent in her efforts without needing an army to cheer her on.

FWIW saggimc, I think you called it correctly but your delivery needs polishing but I do understand that sometimes you just have to say it straight.

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thanks, I had to laugh at this
"she's consistent in her efforts without needing an army to cheer her on" so correct.

It's like a strong clicke or groupie adoration or fan club. We all have our strengths and weaknesses.

Ami has wonderful qualities like I have said over and over. her mercury trine neptune is great for creative writing and writing short stories. whereas I'm about facts and plain delivery. I 'dangle carrots' and try to get members to follow links, research for themselves, see what fits, type of style.

I remember when I was doing my Teacher Training course and the motto

*What I see I read, but when I DO I learn*

posted March 17, 2012 06:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Oh God.

What's the point of doing that?
You can't make people agree with you.

I mean I would also count the Moon/Mars conj Ami has.. BUT if she does not FEEL like that applies to her.. and she relates more to the un-aspected description - what business is it of yours?

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because it's NOT correct and when people come here to learn and have reading it's *misleading* newbies and claiming something that's not valid. You yourself even agreed with me. Prof astrologers have a responsibility to present the FACTS and basic stuff that is valid. Denying things or not accepting things suggests some mental blockage or lack of basic understanding in astrology. All I want to do is help Ami and others 'understand' the basics are basics, you simply cannot change stuff just because you can't identify with it.

If I were to go deeper into ami ann's chart (which I don't feel like doing inanyevent) I could probably find why she doesn't identify with it. It probably has something in her midpoints, or parallels that is altering her perception of unaspected moon and the two valid aspects, she won't accept in her personality.....

posted March 17, 2012 06:21 AM            

so the wider the orb the lesser the effect if felt....

So I have had a look at Ami Ann's parallels

I would post them, but don't have her permission so don't want another blasting from Randell...

Sun is 23°26'19" N
Moon is 22° 5'20" N
Mars is 23°28'36" N

So this brings the moon/mars aspect even CLOSER and more effective as it's within 1'30"

AND sun/mars even closer AND sun/moon out of sign conjunction.

I have sun/moon out of sign conj Aries/taurus to. So even if she doesn't accept these natally the PARALLELS are reinforcing the aspects.
Sun/moon is 8' separating natally, but the parallel bring it closer, stronger

posted March 17, 2012 06:34 AM            

venus 20'56" N
Jupiter 20'19" N

so here we see the unaspected venus is parallel jupiter. This acts like a conjunction, which we all know can on occasions go OTT with venusian affections and romance....

the FACTS are here to SEE

venus 20'56" N
Jupiter 20'19" N

posted March 17, 2012 06:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Yes I said that I would personally consider that a conjunction based on the orbs I use.
That does not mean that I would force Ami to agree with me.

Different astrologers use different orbs. Some would consider it too wide.

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I know different astrologers use different orbs BUT you cannot deny the parallels as posted BRING the conjunction closer..

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posted March 17, 2012 06:55 AM            

You will have disagreements with people as has happened here and a few times in the past as with Betty, for example.

However, and this is the big thing, you will grow. You will refine your rough edges and you will be on the path to ego reduction which is what we all need.

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posted March 17, 2012 07:07 AM            

At any rate, I wanted to tell you my experience as I think you offer a LOT. LL needs people who want to serve and you do. I appreciate your service a great deal Saggi!!

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posted March 17, 2012 08:34 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
Sooooo, finally back on track then....

I have venus in 4th and I call it, "Bake a cake syndrome" as everyone gets fed and watered..
Venus here wants a venusian home, tastefully decorated, beautifully presented and this is where you 'get pleasure, and receive pleasure' in your chart

Neptune here gives a different perspective as wherever Neptune is is where you "bear your cross, make sacrifices, wish things were different"

Neptune in 4th House – angular house
Strong unconscious emotional ties with home and family. Confused family relationships and sometimes chaotic domestic environment. Often feel sorry for strangers, animals and offer ¬accommodation. Beachcombers. Sacrifices in the home (parents) Mystery concerning early life. Deception. Over idealise mothers perhaps disillusionment. Possibly put mother on a pedestal missing parent! doubts about roots! –[b] Abandoned, adopted, or even left in a plastic bag. Very much eggshell area and therefore sensitive. Neptune the ‘great dissolver’ can literally dissolve connections to family

Neptune in 5th House – succeedent house
Unconscious desire for love and appreciation through romance and creative expression. May have artistic talents. Especially to do with music, children, or the stock markets. Ability to play a role. Love of theatre. Very sympathetic. ¬intuition strong here. This house describes love affairs and children. Romance over idealise. love at first sight. Romance seen through ¬rose tinted glasses! Did you have gas and air or ¬anesthetic during childbirth?
Artistic/creative children, secretive children, depending on aspects. Private enterprise beware the dangling carrot, be very wary of.

I don't agree with whole signs, so if you are still undecided which HS works for you, I've posted both...

And of course venus conj neptune is typical 'rose tinted glasses' in romance and finances, illusions, confusions, and delusions around relationships and finances. It could give artistic appreciation, creative talents and strong spiritual bent..
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I appreciate that, Saggi.

I'm more Neptune in the 5th, definitely. Neptune is at 13 Sag, Venus 7 Sag.

No I didn't have any drugs when I had my babies

posted March 17, 2012 08:55 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
What can I say having a lack of unaspected or singleton is NOT great, but wishing or wanting these is not normal either. Maybe its the attention it brings or empathy they can offer others with afflictions, I have no idea but having TWO aspects for moon is valid!! and wishing to have it unaspected, over and over is ridiculous. Wishing to have something you haven't---- how many times can i say THIS?? this is sooo very BASIC stuff in astrology and sooo easily resolved. So why would a person WANT to lack or affliction in a chart? well i have no idea, it's like wearing a badge of honour or sign saying, "I'm afflicted, vuneralbe, hurt, wounded and whatever" well I've news for you. Everyone has gone through or are still going through, painful stuff all varying degrees. You DON'T have to wear it on your sleeve do you???

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My point was, you should not talk about someone's "deformity" except in the most delicate way possible. Just like if a person has a physical deformity, you don't toss out stuff like, "Well you're deformed so..."

The word "deformed" is one you ought to be careful with, and I'm mystified that you honestly don't seem to know that.

That being said, you admitted that you have no idea so there is no point making hurtful speculations.

I disagree that Ami talks about her problems like a "badge of honor." I think Ami is just being frank about her life, and the pain is one part of it, and she sees an astrological corollary.

Whether or not you agree with that corollary, for kindness's sake, be careful when referring to someone else's pain.

posted March 17, 2012 09:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You can post my aspects Saggi.
Every person you see here who has been at LL for any length of time has been in fights.We are a very very close knit community. You are just starting to find your niche. When I came, my voice was very very off putting but in a different way than yours . I got a great deal of negative feedback at me. I also had who people cared for me and helped me. There were some people who did not care for me and did not want to help me.I had to discern that difference as we all do in life and on here. I truly want ego reduction more than anything except God. Ego reduction is my personal goal. If I never show who I truly am, I will never have it as I will be too manicured. I show who I am and some people who don't like that will react to those traits. At that point, I can grow and learn if I will be open to it. It is a blessing when disagreements come your way as they ALWAYS will. Find a few voices you trust and listen. Randall is the top one, imho and will always be. For me, there are other people I trust such as IQ and Lalalinda who have proven trust worthy. It takes time to figure out who those people will be for you.

At any rate, I wanted to tell you my experience as I think you offer a LOT. LL needs people who want to serve and you do. I appreciate your service a great deal Saggi!!

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Ahhhhh...

Your graciousness and patience here are truly beautiful and, again, healing.

posted March 17, 2012 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
My point was, you should not talk about someone's "deformity" except in the most delicate way possible. Just like if a person has a physical deformity, you don't toss out stuff like, "Well you're deformed so..."

The word deformed is one you ought to be careful with and I'm mystified that you honestly don't seem to know that.

That being said, you admitted that you have no idea so there is no point making hurtful speculations.

I disagree that Ami talks about her problems like a "badge of honor." I think Ami is just being frank about her life, and the pain is one part of it, and she sees an astrological corollary.

Whether or not you agree with that corollary, for kindness's sake, be careful when referring to someone else's pain.

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Thank you Faith. I have Moon conj the MC. I think I was made to reveal my emotions as my particular flavor in life. Some people do not like this at all. I have come to see that. That has put me at the center of many fights. HOWEVER, some people love me for that very thing.Many,many people do and it is for that very reason. It is my flavor. Astrology will help people find their own particular flavors. It is what Astrology is all about, really. Also, when a person finds their flavor,it is a mark that they are a true and authentic person. When this happens, you will not be liked by all. It is a sign that you have differentiated yourself and that you count for something imho.

I am fine with Saggi's flavor if she is fine with mine. I think Saggi and I have different flavors. It would be silly for Saggi to think she can put me in her box as I don't want to go there. In the same way, I will not try to put her in mine as she does not want to go there.

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posted March 17, 2012 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
It's kind of interesting to me to watch.. when knowflakes are relatively new and they don't know some of the past-history and they come up with things that were already said once, a long time ago or perhaps even multiple times -- as history just keeps on repeating itself before my very eyes, as I stare on in utter boredom and fascination..

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posted March 17, 2012 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ahhhhh...

Your graciousness and patience here are truly beautiful and, again, healing.

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I feel EXACTLY the same way about you, Faith!

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posted March 17, 2012 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Thank you Faith. I have Moon conj the MC. I think I was made to reveal my emotions as my particular flavor in life. Some people do not like this at all. I have come to see that. That has put me at the center of many fights. HOWEVER, some people love me for that very thing.Many,many people do and it is for that very reason. It is my flavor. Astrology will help people find their own particular flavors. It is what Astrology is all about, really. Also, when a person finds their flavor,it is a mark that they are a true and authentic person. When this happens, you will not be liked by all. It is a sign that you have differentiated yourself and that you count for something imho.

I am fine with Saggi's flavor if she is fine with mine. I think Saggi and I have different flavors. It would be silly for Saggi to think she can put me in her box as I don't want to go there. In the same way, I will not try to put her in mine as she does not want to go there.

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Wow! Ami, I am loving your wisdom. I might whip out my notebook and copy this into it so I can think about it some more.

posted March 17, 2012 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I feel EXACTLY the same way about you, Faith!

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*sniffle sniffle*

posted March 17, 2012 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Wow! Ami, I am loving your wisdom. I might whip out my notebook and copy this into it so I can think about it some more.

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Darling if you see any wisdom, it is from screwing up so badly that I was covered in excrement from head to toe

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