posted March 17, 2012 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
*sniffle sniffle*

REALLY?! THANK YOU!

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Yes, Faith you have given me a lot of strength! Thank you Darling

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posted March 17, 2012 09:31 AM            

Instead of saying,

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Maybe its the attention it brings or empathy they can offer others with afflictions, I have no idea but having TWO aspects for moon is valid!! and wishing to have it unaspected, over and over is ridiculous. Wishing to have something you haven't---- how many times can i say THIS?? this is sooo very BASIC stuff in astrology and sooo easily resolved. So why would a person WANT to lack or affliction in a chart? well i have no idea, it's like wearing a badge of honour or sign saying, "I'm afflicted, vuneralbe, hurt, wounded and whatever" well I've news for you. Everyone has gone through or are still going through, painful stuff all varying degrees. You DON'T have to wear it on your sleeve do you???

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I always believe the best way to teach someone is to lead them down the path that lets them agree willingly with you. I believe you will agree that it is difficult and challenging to change a person's mindset..

posted March 17, 2012 09:35 AM            

Venus rules 2nd house of self esteem, self worth, where you get and receive pleasure. I can see quite strongly your venus conj jupiter shows your strong faith, religious and philosophical beliefs (jupiter)

Venus and jupiter can go OTT in things, like spending money on life's luxuries, clothes, shoes, jewellry. Anything that makes you 'feel good' and jupiter the great benefic expands whatever it touches. So your Christian and religious beliefs are very much on show, plus 4planets in 9th house shows this area very strongly...

Cancer moon is a 'worrier' and conj MC shows lots of restlessness and changes in the work area.
Saturn in 2nd retro shows a lack of confidence in 2nd house matters and can bring a 'fear of poverty' take. Lots of millionaires have saturn here and it may reign in the venus/jupiter spending power against the dose of reality..

your venus also has a quintile to neptune

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Venus Quintile or Bi-Quintile Neptune

You have a strong artistic inclination. You have a vivid imagination and the ability to visualize things in different ways. You are sensitive and may find it difficult to live among coarse, dull, or insensitive people.
http://cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html

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so back to your moon conj mars = bossy mother, espec in childhood. Emotions and mars combativeness combine, so when you take action, your emotions are raw and on show being conj MC and 10th house, very similar to being in 1st house actually...

So I can imagine you easily you take offence when someone is trying to help you, in the best and only way they can...

We also see in your chart sun/mars soft conjunction with

Sun is 23°26'19" N
Moon is 22° 5'20" N
Mars is 23°28'36" N

That's why parallels in declinations are so important and need to be used more.

Sun/mars makes one's ego, pride and energy more assertive and combative. But as you have recognised this in yourself I find it admirable that you consciously try to tame it down.

posted March 17, 2012 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Darling if you see any wisdom, it is from screwing up so badly that I was covered in excrement from head to toe

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You know what they say, the lotus can only grow out of the mud.

Thanks again for this conversation, if I seem a little excessive for putting all these hearts everywhere...well that's just the price I have to pay for being honest and listening to Venus conjunct Jupiter these days....

posted March 17, 2012 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You know what they say, the lotus can only grow out of the mud.

Thanks again for this conversation, if I seem a little excessive for putting all these hearts everywhere...well that's just the price I have to pay for being honest and, secondly, listening to Venus conjunct Jupiter these days....

Bye, people! I have to go take care of my little pumpkins now.

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posted March 17, 2012 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You know what they say, the lotus can only grow out of the mud.

Thanks again for this conversation, if I seem a little excessive for putting all these hearts everywhere...well that's just the price I have to pay for being honest and listening to Venus conjunct Jupiter these days....

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I appreciate EVERY SINGLE WORD, Faith. Don't ever apologize for giving your love and care to someone as you did to me!

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posted March 17, 2012 09:44 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
Thanks for your considerations here Ami. I think your venus parallel jupiter shows through very strongly...

Venus rules 2nd house of self esteem, self worth, where you get and receive pleasure. I can see quite strongly your venus conj jupiter shows your strong faith, religious and philosophical beliefs (jupiter)

Venus and jupiter can go OTT in things, like spending money on life's luxuries, clothes, shoes, jewellry. Anything that makes you 'feel good' and jupiter the great benefic expands whatever it touches. So your Christian and religious beliefs are very much on show, plus 4planets in 9th house shows this area very strongly...

Cancer moon is a 'worrier' and conj MC shows lots of restlessness and changes in the work area.
Saturn in 2nd retro shows a lack of confidence in 2nd house matters and can bring a 'fear of poverty' take. Lots of millionaires have saturn here and it may reign in the venus/jupiter spending power against the dose of reality..

your venus also has a quintile to neptune

so back to your moon conj mars = bossy mother, espec in childhood. Emotions and mars combativeness combine, so when you take action, your emotions are raw and on show being conj MC and 10th house, very similar to being in 1st house actually...

So I can imagine you easily you take offence when someone is trying to help you, in the best and only way they can...

We also see in your chart sun/mars soft conjunction with

Sun is 23°26'19" N
Moon is 22° 5'20" N
Mars is 23°28'36" N

That's why parallels in declinations are so important and need to be used more.

Sun/mars makes one's ego, pride and energy more assertive and combative. But as you have recognised this in yourself I find it admirable that you consciously try to tame it down.

My sun is conj venus and shows that (inside) I'm a rather gentle person and softens the ego into venusian things that give me pleasure. I may appear combative at times, but that just my SaggiMC, it not the whole of me, but just a part of me. My Asc in Aquarius will probably talk you to death and would be the first noticeable thing if you met me..

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I do not agree with 85% of that Saggi MC but I appreciate your contributions to LL a great deal. If you love LL, you don't have to agree with me for me to appreciate you a great deal.

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posted March 17, 2012 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
because it's NOT correct and when people come here to learn and have reading it's *misleading* newbies and claiming something that's not valid. You yourself even agreed with me. Prof astrologers have a responsibility to present the FACTS and basic stuff that is valid. Denying things or not accepting things suggests some mental blockage or lack of basic understanding in astrology. All I want to do is help Ami and others 'understand' the basics are basics, you simply cannot change stuff just because you can't identify with it.

If I were to go deeper into ami ann's chart (which I don't feel like doing inanyevent) I could probably find why she doesn't identify with it. It probably has something in her midpoints, or parallels that is altering her perception of unaspected moon and the two valid aspects, she won't accept in her personality.....

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I would be VERY interested to learn Randell take on this very basic aspects in Ami Ann chart??

Randell please respond?

Sun is 23°26'19" N
Moon is 22° 5'20" N
Mars is 23°28'36" N

So this brings the moon/mars aspect even CLOSER and more effective as it's within 1'30"

AND sun/mars even closer AND sun/moon out of sign conjunction.

I have sun/moon out of sign conj Aries/taurus to. So even if she doesn't accept these natally the PARALLELS are reinforcing the aspects.
Sun/moon is 8' separating natally, but the parallel bring it closer, stronger

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posted March 17, 2012 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I appreciate EVERY SINGLE WORD, Faith. Don't ever apologize for giving your love and care to someone as you did to me!

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Wanted to post a song here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxqolWJarg

Ok now I'm really going, not just lying about it...

posted March 17, 2012 10:02 AM            

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My point was, you should not talk about someone's "deformity" except in the most delicate way possible. Just like if a person has a physical deformity, you don't toss out stuff like, "Well you're deformed so..."

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Really, I have seen Ami Ann over and over bluntly ask members have they been ABUSED by family or others, which I deem extrenmely tactless and personal.

it again seems one rule for the elite around here and other rules for others...

posted March 17, 2012 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Well anyway Saggi. You can listen or not.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Saggi
Not to be disrespectful but you seem as if you do not have emotional intelligence i.e. sensitivity to people's feelings?

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posted March 17, 2012 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I feel EXACTLY the same way about you, Faith!

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this mutuable appreciation every other post nauseously annoying...

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Originally posted by Faith:

Wanted to post a song here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxqolWJarg

Ok now I'm really going, not just lying about it...

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posted March 17, 2012 10:32 AM            

You know you are appreciated.

This gif is to make you laugh..

posted March 17, 2012 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
^^^^ Oh SaggiMC, loosen up, cheer up!!!!!

You know you are appreciated.

This gif is to make you laugh..

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posted March 17, 2012 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
You two can agree to disagree and move on from this pointless discussion. Either choose to be amicable to one another or else avoid communicating with each other.

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that's marvellously diplomatic and well done for sitting on the fence. Did you SEE her parallels? do you not use them or understand them maybe??

I don't see parallels as *pointless* at all, they are an important part of learning astrology...

Perhaps you could explain to me how Ami Ann's moon can be *unaspected* when she has two valid aspects then?? Plus parallels affecting the expressions

posted March 17, 2012 11:05 AM            

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Perhaps you could explain to me how Ami Ann's moon can be *unaspected* when she has two valid aspects then??

Answer this and I will shut up...

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Disagreement about the definition of "unaspected" would be the answer I guess.
If one doesn`t accept an orb of 10 degrees for luminaries nor a parallel as valid aspect, then it`s unaspected.

And astrologers, yes, even professional ones, do not agree in all cases.
Some allow an orb of 10 degrees for luminaries, others don`t.

Also, the definition I have found most often in articles and books on aspects is that a planet is unaspected, if it does not make any Ptolemaic aspects to any other planet.
Ptolemaic aspects are: conjunction, sextile, square, trine and oppositions.
No minor aspects, no declinational aspects.

So, sticking to the most often used definition for unaspected planets, Ami`s Moon IS unaspected.

The only thing we can discuss here is the validity of this definition, or if it should be expanded.
But there is no consensus on that among astrologers.

Ami,
about the Sun-Mercury-conjunction.
No I don`t think this is a big factor in asessing mental illness in a chart.
There definitely have to be a lot more indications of this.
If there are though, the tight interconnection between identity/ personality and thinking might make them more "acute".

I do have an exact Sun-Mercury-conjunction, but I am not mentally ill. Though I love to analyse (Mercury) myself (Sun) and as extension of this, find out how other people "tick", how their personality is (Sun).

But my Sun-Mercury-conjunction is not afflicted by Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto. Neither is my 3rd house ruler.
That reduces the risk of mental illness I guess.

(Even if it was, it wouldn`t have to mean that someone is necessarily mental ill though. But the possibility would be bigger than without these afflictions / challenges in terms of the thinking, as signified by constellations of Mercury and the ruler of 3rd house).

In that sense I think a Sun-Mercury-conjunction, no matter if cazimi or not, can be critical if it is part of a very challenging natal constellation.
On the other hand, very analytical and intelligent people have had that Sun-Mercury-conjunction as well.

posted March 17, 2012 11:18 AM            

I totally agree with you about sun/mercury conjunction would have to have serious afflictions. I would also take a long hard look at 6th house of health to..

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Also, the definition I have found most often in articles and books on aspects is that a planet is unaspected, if it does not make any Ptolemaic aspects to any other planet.
Ptolemaic aspects are: conjunction, sextile, square, trine and oppositions.
No minor aspects, no declinational aspects.

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Now for example Liz Greene on astro uses 10' orbs for everything including aspects. So I think this bit excessive. I have never heard of 8' max for luminaries either.

Nonetheless, Ami's sun moon conjunction IS 8' so is STILL valid, don't you think??? It's not 10'

moon/mars would the wide orb conj of 10'

Surely you can see sun/moon 8' as valid??

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posted March 17, 2012 11:36 AM            

Even then, there will still be clandestine attacks from pissant factions akin to Hezbollah/Hamas and Kahane Chai. Lol.

We'll deal with the irritating side attacks,, but the feud needs a cease fire. How about a demilitarized zone like the 38th Parallel?

From a male perspective, females clawing themselves out is entertaining, but this is an educational forum with the free and open expression of ideas and concepts! There are no objective answers. Only subjective ones!!

posted March 17, 2012 12:19 PM            

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Surely you can see sun/moon 8' as valid??

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Hmm, imo this is a borderline case, especially since it connects two different signbackgrounds.
They are close to parallel though, I think? That would strengthen the possibility of an aspect.
But checking the other planets her Moon is not very integrated, but STRONG elevated and in its domicile sign Cancer.
I`d probably see it as technically unaspected, though as you can see I am not totally sure about it in this particular case.

What definitely is worth noting, though I don`t think it bears meaning for the unaspectedness-discussion, is that her Sun is on her Moon/Mercury-midpoint.

But that is beside the topic given here.

Ami,

yes, I was pretty sure you were aware of it, but I wanted to repeat it again, that of course this is all part of a "profile", no single aspect can denote mental illness or health on its own.

posted March 17, 2012 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I think I need to start building the Wall of Jericho to separate the two factions.

Even then, there will still be clandestine attacks from pissant factions akin to Hezbollah/Hamas and Kahane Chai. Lol.

We'll deal with the irritating side attacks,, but the feud needs a cease fire. How about a demilitarized zone like the 38th Parallel?

From a male perspective, females clawing themselves out is entertaining, but this is an educational forum with the free and open expression of ideas and concepts! There are no objective answers. Only subjective ones!!

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