posted March 21, 2012 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by kama:
SaggiMC, I wouldn't have noticed, but when I was at a Noel Tyls workshop, he called me up by name and said that I was having 5 "peregrine" planets - I think he might be correct. I wouldn't extend the orbs just to make some aspects.
In my experience the fact that the planets are not interlinked by aspects means for me that I can use them if I concentrate on them. But it makes me identity problems, some kind of lack of a ego centre maybe. My 12th house planets and chiron in 6th house and NN in 7th also describe my personality which is definitively more giving, I help homeless people and I am working with alternative - chinese and energy - healing therapies.
kama

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"peregrine" is not the same as unaspected.

peregrine
“Definition of PeregrineForeign, alien. Said of a planet posited in a sign where it possesses no essential dignity: where it is neither dignified nor debilitated. It is employed in Horary Astrology, where it is usually reckoned as a debility. In a question of a theft, a peregrine planet in an angle or in the second house, is the thief. However, no planet is reckoned peregrine if it be in mutual reception with another. “ http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/peregrine.php
Dr.Farr says –“I personally have long ago come to reject the peregrine concept as invalid” http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=297610&postcount=3

Traditional astrology uses lots of complex terms, sect, that are not used in modern day astrology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_dignity

“Many modern astrologers take little heed of essential dignities, with the exception of domicile rulerships (see article on ruling planets.) This is most likely the result of the simplification of astrological technique that occurred when astrology lost popularity beginning in the eighteenth century” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_dignity

posted March 21, 2012 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by kama:
Progressed venus conjunct ascendant: my venus is antiscia on my ascendant - so I am afraid it won't make much difference - especially considering my age....
kama

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You obviously are more into Traditional astrology teachings rather than Modern ones like myself. Do you actually use the outers Uranus, Neptune and Pluto??

In Trad astrol your venus would be unaspected...

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Determining Solstice Points (Antiscia) for Synastry Work

(Techniques for Determining Compatibility)

How to Find the Solstice Point (Antiscia) of a Planet or Point

To find the Antiscion Point or Solstice Point of the Sun in your chart, for example, you would subtract the degrees in longitude of the Sun from 30 degrees and finding the corresponding sign from this list:

Gemini-Cancer
Leo-Taurus
Virgo-Aries
Libra-Pisces
Scorpio-Aquarius
Sagittarius-Capricorn

. http://www.cafeastrology.com/solstice_points_antiscia.html

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Of late, my guides, ghosts, or whatever have been nagging–er, I mean prompting–me to look into the obscure astrological aspects called antiscia. I haven’t thought about them in years, and in fact, I didn’t believe that anyone had written or lectured much about them since my one-time teacher, Charles Jayne crossed over into that great astrology congress in the sky. It appears that the recent resurgence of interest in classic astrology texts has resulted in several articles about them on the internet that we’ll refer to later.

The antiscia (Charles pronounced it an-tih-sha) are a seldom-used aspect between two natal planets, between a natal and a transiting planet, or between two people’s planets in a chart comparison.

It’s said to represent a covert or hidden connection which can sometimes be helpful, sometimes difficult. It depends on whether the planets are complimentary to one another (like the Sun and Moon, or Jupiter and Mercury, or Venus and Mars) or whether they are difficult (like Saturn to the Sun or Neptune to Venus). Others claim it creates a kind of mirroring between the two planets, or some sort of shadow effect–the Greek word ‘scia‘ means shadows. Vague, no? Even covert.

That doesn’t answer the question of why we should find them even remotely interesting or pertinent today. It’s because antiscia have as their origin the solstice points of 0° Capricorn and Cancer, and right now, for the first time since the 1980s, we have one of the slower moving planets–Pluto–crossing 0° Capricorn. The last such ingresses into Capricorn were Neptune in 1984 and the pair of Uranus and Saturn in 1988. Before that, the last time Pluto went into Capricorn was in 1762, Neptune did it in 1820, and Uranus in 1904.

To cut to the chase, those who are most directly affected in these next few years are those with planets or the Ascendant or Midheaven near the end of Sagittarius. If you have one or more in that range, and you thought Pluto was finished transforming you, think again! A natal planet at 29° Sagittarius finds its transiting antiscion at 1° Capricorn, when both planets are an equal distance from the Sun’s solstice point at 0° Capricorn. Other of Pluto’s antiscia points in the near future are: 28° Sag at 2° Cap; 27° Sag at 3° Cap, 26° Sag at 4° Cap, 25° Sag at 5° Cap, and so on. (Antiscia is plural, so a single such aspect is an antiscion.) http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/pluto-and-the-transiting-antiscia-not-over-til-its-over/

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personally I dont' use this one. Most Trad things tend to be used in Horary astrology. Is this of interest or something you have studied?

posted March 21, 2012 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by kama:
Progressed venus conjunct ascendant: my venus is antiscia on my ascendant - so I am afraid it won't make much difference - especially considering my age....
kama

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hmmm I'm quite into parallels in declinations. so I had a quick look at yours and notice you have --

saturn/neptune parallel and then both contra MC
sun/jupiter parallel
sun/pluto/mars
moon/mercury/venus

basic astrology forum, parallels in declination http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000675.html
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posted March 21, 2012 11:07 AM            

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Originally posted by carl:
Two unaspected planets

One in house 10
The other in house 11

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what are these planets. I link 9th house with travel not 10th or 11th. Houses only hold 1/3 of the story, signs, then houses then aspects. But being unaspected I don't believe as Ami ann would suggest in the title, "The Part of Life in Which It Will SHINE"

I think it's apart of our psychological make up that is left out in the cold, not integrated. This then tends towards extremes, all or nothing attitude...

But ironically, we seem to have a thread like this regularly almost every week even. I suppose we all have our strengths and weaknesses and we all learnt at different levels to for some reason...

posted March 21, 2012 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
"peregrine" is not the same as unaspected.

peregrine
“Definition of PeregrineForeign, alien. Said of a planet posited in a sign where it possesses no essential dignity: where it is neither dignified nor debilitated. It is employed in Horary Astrology, where it is usually reckoned as a debility. In a question of a theft, a peregrine planet in an angle or in the second house, is the thief. However, no planet is reckoned peregrine if it be in mutual reception with another. “ http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/peregrine.php
Dr.Farr says –“I personally have long ago come to reject the peregrine concept as invalid” http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=297610&postcount=3

Traditional astrology uses lots of complex terms, sect, that are not used in modern day astrology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_dignity

“Many modern astrologers take little heed of essential dignities, with the exception of domicile rulerships (see article on ruling planets.) This is most likely the result of the simplification of astrological technique that occurred when astrology lost popularity beginning in the eighteenth century” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_dignity

with your permission I could post your chart?

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Dear Saggi, of course you may.

Noel Tyl uses the term peregrine not in the traditional way of medieval astrology (he does not consider essential dignities etc), but for planets with no major ptolomeic aspect.

Although I learnt a lot of medieval throu the course material of Bernadette Brady, I am not in traditional astrology, although I find some techniques very useful. That's what I like in this forum: get interested in new approaches, go into asteroids for example, or parallels, as you mentioned, or dwads, draconic etc etc. This forum is full of ideas and techniques one might try and which may prove useful. I don't think antiscia are just an oldfashioned thing without relevance, they can prove very useful, for example in synastry, showing unconscious attractions or repulsions between partners that are not that obvious at the surface.
I think we all should feel free to try out everything, to make new experiences. So everybody can learn from each other.
I feel, please excuse my bad English, that you are maybe a little too quick - and hard - in judging me. For me it is not an argument to just post some links as if it were an explanation or an argument. I am not a beginner and I am always ready to share my ideas and my knowledge with you.
Warm regards
kama

posted March 22, 2012 07:33 AM            

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