posted March 22, 2012 02:00 AM            

I'm writing again before I crash to get some much needed zzzs

I noticed you deleted your previous post. I don't think you should feel like a drama queen at all. An open, honest expression of how you really feel, w/out an inner self editorializing of the emotions (meaning how others will see you, how you appear, etc.), is what I was hoping to create by writing to you in the first place.

This constructive dialogue, where you and the others involved could actually freely and safely speak about your emotions, was missing I felt, during the unfolding of the entire incident in question.

Instead, what happened was a lot of mudslinging back and forth, which only served to escalate the anger on all sides, causing a complete break down in communication.

Aside from this, for the moment I just want to say that none of the people involved are "bad" in any way. I have a pretty good inner sense of where each is coming from, trust me on this. Neither does anyone lack intelligence or inner wisdom, imo.

posted March 22, 2012 02:02 AM            

My own moon, tho' in Taurus, is in the 1st hse. I've read that this placement, regardless of the sign, gives almost a Pisces-like sensitivity. To add to this, it opposes my Neptune from the 7th (more Pisces influence). I'm grateful that it also trines Saturn, otherwise I would probably feel very lost.

I want to say again that I'm so glad you responded. You have the same sort of kindness as Mr. Pisces moon.

Faith, at this point I think the best that I personally would want is for you to have an open dialogue (ongoing if necessary-through me and this thread), so that a certain level of healing can be reached. Your pain has been sharp and acute (I actually felt it in your goodbye post as well as in a previous post 3-4 days ago), and it would be beneficial for you and the others to reach this level, before everyone can really move forward from this incident.

I don't mean to diminish anyone's hurt, but of the 3 principle persons involved in this incident, I feel that your pain was the deepest because a core wound in you was affected.

Only kindness, gentleness, and forgiveness between everyone concerned will help bring some semblance of healing. Otherwise I'm afraid you'll carry additional pain w/ you when you leave LL.

Trust me when I say that this can be avoided.

All I ask is that you think about what I said.

And now I must stop, as I feel my head spinning. Haven't slept in almost 30 hours.

The next couple of days will be super busy for me, but you will not be far from my thoughts.

Will you be patient till I write again … I hope.

posted March 22, 2012 09:58 AM            

Learning this lesson here is learning it in a safe place. I do understand totally the dynamics of what happened. I know you need to be understood before you can move on as I am the SAME way but remember that no one gets along with everyone and there are few that we can call a friend. I am your friend, Faith!

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posted March 22, 2012 10:14 AM            

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posted March 22, 2012 11:17 AM            

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plx5HLi7HHs

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posted March 22, 2012 01:49 PM            

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posted March 23, 2012 03:29 PM            

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I'm just gonna hide out here on "my" thread that Linda made for me for now...I'm a singleton sun, Leo rising, and feel pretty cozy having my own little room, actually.

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This is excellent! I'm glad you feel a little safer than before. Also, your Leo rising optimism is beginning to peek out a little bit. Now we just have to make sure your Pisces moon also rises lol to match the level of your Asc.

No, I'm not offended by anything you've said. That's the whole point of this conversation, right? To be able to appropriately say what's on your mind so that we can move toward a resolution ... at least enough so that everyone feels somewhat comfortable again ...don't wanna get my hopes up too high here

So, I'm stopping in just for a little bit as my busy day continues.

I'm going to get back to you more fully as soon as I can break away.

However, for the moment I just thought I'd ask you for a clarification of the 2nd point you made about why my letter made you uncomfortable.

Specifically ... "The second reason your letter puts me in an uncomfortable position is, it looks like I am dramatically burning a bridge, ..."

I guess I'm not sure I understand the context? Would you help clarify?

Thanks. I want to consider everything you've said carefully, particularly since you feel your words were not being heard before.

Continue to relax here in this 'room' for as long as you need. You're feeling fragile at the moment. So no rush, and no pressure, ok?

posted March 23, 2012 09:02 PM            

Linda, what a wonderful letter, well written and I thank you for it..

faith said,
"All of this really is nothing! There are no good guys and bad guys, I am just striving for an atmosphere of trust, like I said."

Emphasis bieng on All this is really IS nothing yet keeps continuing is upsetting.

and THEN we get more insults--

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What I see going on with this person I'm having trouble with is, she strikes me as terribly, terribly wounded. I just can't ignore that...this person needs some psychic bandaging and protection.

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Well I see now with Leo rising it's ALL about PRIDE and EGO being hurt and over sensitivity and making mountains out of molehills AGAIN....

Well what can I say, I'm sorry it's got to this stage,truly. My aim and mission (as Linda so succinctly said) in life is to help members learn about astrology, but if I don't have any support here, perhaps it's best if I leave and take my material with me?

posted March 23, 2012 09:23 PM            

Let me respond to Saggi, ok?

I know I have a bit of time since it is in the middle of the night in the UK.

Meanwhile, I can continue to keep doing other things that I need to finish

Thanks

posted March 23, 2012 09:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Faith,

Let me respond to Saggi, ok?

I know I have a bit of time since it is in the middle of the night in the UK.

Meanwhile, I can continue to keep doing other things that I need to finish

Thanks

Linda

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I'm sorry, but I had to say my peace.

posted March 23, 2012 10:08 PM            

This is not helping.

To all 3 concerned in the incident, I DO NOT want this thread to become a war zone.

I have taken on the extremely difficult task of trying to find a resolution between the 3 of you. Please don't make me regret it.

I do NOT have a horse in this race (that includes my ego). The barn door is securely shut on that.

If however, the battle continues, the real issues at stake here will be lost and I will wash my hands off of this whole thing in a heart beat. I mean this.

In order to pull this off, there have to be some ground rules:

1) NO EGO: check it at the door.

2) If you want me around, then you MUST listen when I ask you to have patience. Learn to hold back.

3) No attacks at each other absolutely.

4) While I'm speaking to one person, the remaining 2 should be quiet, unless I specifically ask you to respond.

Saggi, please wait till I respond to you.

Faith, what you said about Saggi leaving, was unkind. You have to stop flying off the handle and give me a chance to handle things.

Remember, anger is a VERY self serving emotion. It serves the ego only. If you truly want to love another, you must start by showing restraint.

Thank you

posted March 23, 2012 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Faith,

This is not helping.

To all 3 concerned in the incident, I DO NOT want this thread to become a war zone.

I have taken on the extremely difficult task of trying to find a resolution between the 3 of you. Please don't make me regret it.

I do NOT have a horse in this race (that includes my ego). The barn door is securely shut on that.

If however, the battle continues, the real issues at stake here will be lost and I will wash my hands off of this whole thing in a heart beat. I mean this.

In order to pull this off, there have to be some ground rules:

1) NO EGO: check it at the door.

2) If you want me around, then you MUST listen when I ask you to have patience. Learn to hold back.

3) No attacks at each other absolutely.

4) While I'm speaking to one person, the remaining 2 should be quiet, unless I specifically ask you to respond.

Saggi, please wait till I respond to you.

Faith, what you said about Saggi leaving, was unkind. You have to stop flying off the handle and give me a chance to handle things.

Remember, anger is a VERY self serving emotion. It serves the ego only. If you truly want to love another, you must start by showing restraint.

Thank you

Linda

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Linda
I don't think you see WHAT Saggi is doing to people for some reason. I really don't think you see that Saggi is the genesis of this and as such you are making it worse, with all due respect.

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posted March 23, 2012 10:39 PM            

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posted March 23, 2012 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Linda
I don't think you see WHAT Saggi is doing to people for some reason. I really don't think you see that Saggi is the genesis of this and as such you are making it worse, with all due respect.

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Saggi mentions my ego and all the sudden it becomes fact: I have an ego problem. Whereas before Saggi's announcement, I was just this normal person feeling safe here.

posted March 23, 2012 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Saggi mentions my ego and all the sudden it becomes fact: I have an ego problem. Whereas before Saggi's announcement, I was just this normal person feeling safe here.

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That is how I see it. That is what I see---pure and simple. That is my most objective rendering of everything. I do want to give my 2 cents about it and it is that. I leave it all in Randall's hands, now.

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posted March 23, 2012 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Faith,

Faith, what you said about Saggi leaving, was unkind. You have to stop flying off the handle and give me a chance to handle things.

Remember, anger is a VERY self serving emotion. It serves the ego only. If you truly want to love another, you must start by showing restraint.

Thank you

Linda

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I was not angry. I did not fly off the handle. I'm a Capricorn. Rarely do I "fly," anywhere. Saturn is pretty heavy.

She's been harassing me on a very personal level, and she's been getting at Ami even WORSE. AND other people.

posted March 23, 2012 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That is how I see it. That is what I see---pure and simple. That is my most objective rendering of everything. I do want to give my 2 cents about it and it is that. I leave it all in Randall's hands, now.

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Thank you. Me, too.