posted April 05, 2012 05:40 AM            

I have an exact Venus/Pluto conjunction with my partner and a Venus/Pluto sextile the other way. We also have things like Sun trine Moon, Asc conjunct Asc, Eros conjunct Psyche DW, Venus Sq Mars, Venus conjunct Neptune, eros conjunct Venus, Sun conjunct SN etc.

Now ok obviously every chart must be taken on its own merits etc and a Venus/Pluto aspect alone does not a relationship make... but given Linda's own description of it in Relationship signs, it makes me wonder about those of us like my partner, who have this with a generation, and how they cope with what is such a strong draw.

His Venus will conjunct lots of my generation's Plutos given that it's early degrees of Libra. Taking one example, a female friend of his who is only about a month older than me has a Venus/Pluto DW conjunction with him (think it's fairly tight orbs) and some other 'intense' chemistry aspects such as Sun conjunct Mars and Eros conjunct Venus... but their suns don't aspect the other's moon and I can't see any other obvious 'romance' as opposed to 'sexual attraction' indicators.

posted April 05, 2012 06:54 AM            

There are some question to check before you can put it into context in the synastry.

1) Is Venus/Pluto or Mars/Pluto reflected in one or both natals? Or progressed charts?

2) is the "Backbone" of synastry present:
- angle and anglerulers aspecting each other (esp. conjunct and opposition)
- inner planets, esp Sun and Moon to angles or angle rulers
- nodal axis aspecting angle, anglerulers, Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars and Saturn (conjunction esp, but squares seem also to work)
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3) how is the Venus-Pluto-conjunction intervowen in the chart? Is it part of a "closed circuit", including at least one personal planet on each sie?

example: her Venus conjunct his Pluto trine his Sun trine her Moon.

4) even if all that checks, aspects often lay dormant and need to be "woken up"-
check for progressions and transits triggering that Venus-Pluto-conjunction.
Also is there a Venus-Pluto-aspect in the progressed synastry or has it dissolved?

posted April 05, 2012 08:37 AM            

I can't check absolutely everything you suggested because her birth time is approximate but at first glance it does look as though the there aren't any of the things you mentioned and the VP conjunction has changed to a sextile in progressed synastry. Obviously my own synastry with him has changed with progressions also and I do now see that so many factors have to be in place to cause a connection to be felt and/or acted upon.

posted April 05, 2012 09:13 AM            

Hugh Grant`s Venus is exactly conjunct my Pluto, and I couldnīt be more disinterested.

Personally I resonate with Venus/Pluto (cause of my Venus-Pluto-square in natal); but the guy is utterly un-plutonic, which might be one reason I am not interested in him a little bit (though I find him funny at times in movies).

posted April 05, 2012 09:17 AM            

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Originally posted by seeker3030:
and the green eyed monster is back in the cage too which is nice!

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Anyway, the day-to-day level usually is determined by the interaction between personal planets including angles.

Also, just out of curiousity, do you vibe with Pluto natally?

Venus-Pluto-aspect? (could also be Mars-Pluto)
Venus in SCorpio/8th; Pluto in 7th?
ASC in Scorpio or Taurus?
ruler of ASC or DESC in Scorpio or 8th house? or conjunct Pluto?

Something like that?

posted April 05, 2012 09:28 AM            

I don't actually have a natal Venus-Pluto aspect... my Venus is in Scorpio (24 degrees) and my Pluto is Libra 4 degrees. He doesn't either - his Venus is Libra 4 again and his Pluto is 22 Virgo... almost as though he was 'trying' for the natal conjunction but couldn't quite make it... he does rather adore himself though haha! ;D

posted April 05, 2012 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, let me give you an example.

Hugh Grant`s Venus is exactly conjunct my Pluto, and I couldnīt be more disinterested.

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You are so funny when you use a celebrity example

posted April 05, 2012 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by seeker3030:
Well it's Hugh Grant's loss I'm sure!

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Definitely.

Well, can you post your and your boyfriend`s natal charts? I can work better with a visual.

posted April 05, 2012 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
You are so funny when you use a celebrity example

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Well, I can serve with a real life example as well.

My best friend`s Venus and Mars are conjunct my Pluto within 1-2 degrees, and yet I am not sexually attracted to her AT ALL.

posted April 05, 2012 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, I can serve with a real life example as well.

My best friend`s Venus and Mars are conjunct my Pluto within 1-2 degrees, and yet I am not sexually attracted to her AT ALL.

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Yes, for sure, the aspect can manifest in so many ways depending. One of my best friends has a Venus/pluto conjunction which conjuncts my venus/pluto conjunction (we were born a month apart, around a period of Venus rX), and her mars is exactly conjunct my Ascendant. We obviously are not attracted to each other sexually, and there is not the heaviness of Venus-Pluto which I have experienced elsewhere (as well as natally). Maybe our V/P conjunct V/P cancels each other out. We are just very drawn together, have a deep love and admiration for each other. I think we are very similar in many ways, and have similar interests (but then again, we have merc-merc conjunct, too). So it is hard to draw exactly what our V/P double conjunction means, but I am pretty sure it manifests differently than your typical Venus/Pluto aspect. Hope that helps.

posted April 05, 2012 11:32 AM            

My natal

posted April 05, 2012 11:44 AM            

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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
and there is not the heaviness of Venus-Pluto which I have experienced elsewhere (as well as natally). We are just very drawn together, have a deep love and admiration for each other. I think we are very similar in many ways, and have similar interests

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Could say the same about my best friend and me. She has Mercury/Venus/Mars/Pluto-conjunction natally, I have Venus - Pluto square and Mars-Pluto-sextile.
Our friendship certainly is deeper and more devoted than most friendships around us. As a matter of fact most people really donīt get it how we could have been friends for so long, especialyl with being quite different in many regards. But we are on the same page when it comes to many things, that others don`t even see. We place much importance on loyalty and honesty and depth and integrity for example.

Also Pluto rules my 11th and 12th house and Venus and Mars ruler her 11th and 12th house, so these are connected. I feel it helps to have the 11th house ruler conjunct the other`s 11th house ruler in friendships.

posted April 05, 2012 11:48 AM            

your Scorpio-Venus makes you resonate with the Venus/Pluto-vibe.
plus your DESC-ruler squares Pluto exact.

for him it`s the DESC-ruler conjunct Pluto.
plus 8th house ruler conjuncts Venus.

BTW haven`t I seen these charts before? They seem so familiar.

posted April 05, 2012 11:58 AM            

Yes you have seen them before Ceridwen (in the Asteroid forum) but his birth time was wrong. This is correct as far as he can find out.

posted April 05, 2012 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by seeker3030:

So just to clarify, would I be right in saying the fact that we have these asc/dec rulers in conjunctions and squares in our natal charts tends to 'amplify' the Venus-Pluto conjunction we share in synastry?

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Yes.

Also, I knew I had seen them, something about Juno-Jupiter comes to mind. lol

posted April 05, 2012 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well, I can serve with a real life example as well.

My best friend`s Venus and Mars are conjunct my Pluto within 1-2 degrees, and yet I am not sexually attracted to her AT ALL.

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posted April 05, 2012 02:33 PM            

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Also, I knew I had seen them, something about Juno-Jupiter comes to mind. lol

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posted April 05, 2012 03:00 PM            

The fact that a gazillion people will share the Pluto conjunction to your venus does NOT negate the fact that it is a powerful aspect when involved in a 1 on 1 relationship.

posted April 05, 2012 05:57 PM            

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The fact that a gazillion people will share the Pluto conjunction to your venus does NOT negate the fact that it is a powerful aspect when involved in a 1 on 1 relationship.

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Ok well sorry to be boring and predictable haha! I just haven't experienced it before and therefore it's 'blowing my fur back' as my bf would say! ;D

posted April 06, 2012 12:28 AM            

But first HER natal chart:

This shows a T-square and three yods.

Now HIS natal chart:

This shows two 3-stellia and two yods.

Now the SYNASTRY:

The most exact aspect is her Saturn (in Cancer) square his Venus (in Libra), 4' from exact. (That seems less than auspicious.)
The next most exact aspect is her Pluto (in Libra) conjunct his Venus (in Libra), 7' from exact. (Apparently the aspect which gave rise to this discussion.)
Then her Mercury (in Scorpio) trine his Moon (in Pisces), 11' from exact.
Then her Neptune (in Sagittarius) sextile his Venus (in Libra), 38' from exact.
Then her Venus (in Scorpio) conjunct his Neptune (in Scorpio), 59' from exact.

posted April 10, 2012 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Whenever I hear the generation conjunct argument I let out a big sigh.

The fact that a gazillion people will share the Pluto conjunction to your venus does NOT negate the fact that it is a powerful aspect when involved in a 1 on 1 relationship.

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