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Topic: Venus Conjunct Saturn in Synastry
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planet9
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posted April 06, 2012 05:25 AM
  
A thread was recently started here on "Venus Conjunct Neptune in Synastry". Equally interesting is Venus conjunct Saturn. Especially interesting is a case where her Venus is conjunct his Saturn *and* his Venus is conjunct her Saturn -- especially when the two conjunctions are both less than 1 degree from exact. This was the case in the relationship between Friedrich Nietzsche and Lou Salome. Not surprisingly it didn't work out. You can see the charts and read more at http://www.planetary-aspects.com/pat/examples.htm IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted April 06, 2012 05:56 AM
That article isn't really about Venus conjunct Saturn in synastry but thank you.It only says that a Venus Saturn conjunction DW "does not suggest a successful amatory relationship."
Hah, really! Venus and Saturn do not mesh well, at all. Unless the other aspects are extremely supportive, forget it.
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planet9
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posted April 06, 2012 06:25 AM
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That article isn't really about Venus conjunct Saturn in synastry but thank you.
You're welcome, but I didn't say that the article was about Venus conjunct Saturn in synastry. The article referenced is of interest because it draws atttention to a synastry in which the Venus of each member of the pair is conjunct with the Saturn of the other (and in this case, exactly so). This is somewhat more interesting than if there is only one such conjunction in the synastry. In fact, you might say that the Nietzsche-Salome synastry is the prime example to be cited when discussing Venus conjunct Saturn in synastry, and I hope you and others will have more to say about this particular aspect in a synastry chart. To be more specific (and for the benefit of those of us new to astrological interpretation of aspects), what is it exactly (no waffling please) about the nature of Venus, the nature of Saturn and the nature of the conjunction aspect which leads to a conclusion that the presence of this aspect in a synastry is bad news for the relationship? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted April 06, 2012 07:09 AM
Sure, I get you.In my own terms, here is how I see it. Venus is how we express love, it is how we show affection to someone. It also represents our values, and what we find beautiful; as well as our behaviour in social situations. Saturn is the planet of restriction, limitations, hard work, delays, and karma.
It can point to our fears and insecurities, making us defensive because we feel defective. Yes, it has positive attributes, it is responsible, serious, and is not afraid to work to get what it needs. It can be patient and stick for the long haul.
However, combine Venus and Saturn in a hard aspect - and the conjunction is a hard aspect - and you get all kinds of not so joyful things.
It can manifest in various ways, but here is what comes to mind: one partner (or both) can feel like the other is too critical of their way of showing affection, and thus they become more and more reluctant to be affectionate with their partner because they may feel like their partner doesn't value what they have to offer. Their affection may not be welcome or returned in the same way. When the conjunction goes both ways, it's tempting to think that things will be more balanced and therefore the partners will get one another and be more understanding. But I think often what happens is that both partners end up feeling so restricted by one another, that it becomes really difficult to be spontaneous in their dealings with each other. It's like there is a constant censorship going on. It does create a sense of security, though, and is probably a very stabilizing influence, but I think that it's definitely not for everyone. More spontaneous/gregarious types will find it really difficult to deal with such energy because it is too heavy and squashes their need for self-expression.
Maybe Saturnian people can somehow enjoy it..
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planet9
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posted April 06, 2012 08:17 AM
Two people who have a double Venus-Saturn conjunction in synastry might thus be expected to find each other insupportable. Yet Nietzsche and Salome had some sort of relationship which was apparently quite intense. See http://www4.hmc.edu:8001/humanities/beckman/nietzsche/salome.htm . She wrote the first book examining Nietzsche's philosophical development, based on many discussions with him. So while the relationship may not have been an amatory success, it seems there was a strong intellectual bond. This leads us to look at the role of Mercury in their synastry chart. His Mercury is trine to her Venus (within 3 degrees of exact) so perhaps she fell in love with his intellect. Her Mercury is opposite to his Venus (close to 3 degrees), and is almost exactly semisextile to his Uranus, aspects more difficult of interpretation, but perhaps some here might venture an opinion. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 06, 2012 08:40 AM
I have this with my husband, his Saturn is exactly conjunct my Venus (less than 1 degree orb.) All I can say is, the readings I've done on this aspect are mostly applicable to my situation, for good and bad. I love that I feel he will always be there for me, since he's good company and we usually get along. But he can be too controlling...or try to.  IP: Logged |
Sashar
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posted April 06, 2012 09:12 AM
People give this aspect such a bad name. I LOVE it. (My Venus being conjunct a Saturn, haven't experienced the other way around yet). Love it, love it, love it. It doesn't feel at all like a wet blanket. It feels like direction. My Venus is conjunct my Pluto and Mars... so if something starts restricting me too much, I'll fight back so there's no worry in losing myself. When you have so much heat focused in one area it's nice to have a little external cooling. Assuming the Saturn in the other person is working from the higher Saturn purpose rather than the lower one. If I respect the person, it create a loyalty and devotion like nothing else for me. A feeling that they would not do me wrong because they have my best interests at heart. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but... you won't convince me otherwise. Even without a lot of good aspects, I'd take this before a lot of the other more popular and safe aspects. ------------------
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Doux Rêve
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posted April 06, 2012 12:05 PM
Sashar, it's really nice to know that you're comfortable with that aspect, shows that it *can* be positive! 
But I do think that the two people need to be comfortable with Saturnian energy and have some maturity to handle it correctly.
Which, of course, is definitely possible!
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AscTaurus
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posted April 06, 2012 12:20 PM
I have venus-saturn conjunction natally and I find it a very melancholic position.But also deeply rewarding.I can't make foolish decisions in love a the outcomes can be dire. This I instinctively just "know". In love,I fall in love with people that don't love me back. Or people who flatter me and only use me sexually. Am dating a Taurian right now and my Saturn forms a trine to his venus-by less than 5 degrees. I find that I have to "parent" him and "teach" him things about how to be in a relationship as I find the way he conducts himself somewhat immature. He,in turn, does look to me to have all the answers and do the sensible thing. Sometimes I feel exhausted by all the responsibility that I am endowed with, but at the same time, I am aware that if I let things "be", we will never get to the place that I want us to get at.
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Doux Rêve
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posted April 06, 2012 12:27 PM
Yes, I know someone with the conjunction natally and it does seem to be a bit difficult.
I hope things work out with your friend, AscTaurus. Be patient but if you see that your efforts don't lead to anything good, don't waste your time and move on. 
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planet9
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posted April 06, 2012 09:10 PM
There's a synastric Venus-Saturn in hard aspect in the thread with the title "When is a Venus Conjunct Pluto not a Venus conjunct Pluto?" Two birthdates were given, and when the synastry chart is done for these it emerges that, in addition to her Pluto being conjunct to his Venus, her Saturn is square to his Venus (both aspects almost exact), which was apparently not noticed by anyone posting earlier in that thread, and no-one has commented on it.IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted April 06, 2012 11:21 PM
I have this with my current beau. It's a 4 degree orb, and I think it's quite nice. 4 degree is perfect. Not close enough to allow Saturn to be controlling and smothering, but close enough to give some sense of responsability and duty to the relationship. IP: Logged |
acquagal
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posted July 25, 2013 06:16 PM
yeah i just found out my guy's ex wife's birthdate and i did her chart. her saturn conj his venus and his mars and they are divorced. IP: Logged |
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posted August 02, 2013 08:01 AM
There may be an easier way to read and understand complicated Synastry pie chart aspects. Pie chart aspects can also be produced onto a basic Synastry Aspect Chart. Review the sample chart at your leisure. It may help you gain even more insight than you currently have.
http://risingpeople.wix.com/synastry-aspecting
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planet9
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posted August 03, 2013 12:43 AM
A good way to view planetary aspects in a synastry is to use the "Planetary Aspects and Transits" software (google for the web page).Here is the synastry chart for Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall. White-on-black glyphs are Bogart's natal planets and black or blue (indicating retrograde) on white are Bacall's. Red=square, green=trine, purple=opposition, yellow=conjunction.  I will post such a synastry chart here for the first person to give two birth dates and times (place of birth not needed). The software mentioned is entirely computational - it does not provide any interpretation - so some astrological understanding is needed to interpret such charts. In this case we see that Bogart's venus makes square aspects to Bacall's Moon and Saturn, her Venus is trine to his Uranus, and her Mars is trine to his Neptune. Astrologers may care to comment. IP: Logged |
Enigma9
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posted August 24, 2013 08:15 PM
how about her saturn conjunct his venus at 6 degrees?
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his saturn opp her venus in same synastry?IP: Logged |
planet9
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posted August 24, 2013 10:46 PM
> how about her saturn conjunct his venus at 6 degrees?
> and his saturn opp her venus in same synastry?Her Saturn is not conjunct his Venus, rather it is square (1°37') to it. (Red lines show square aspects.) His Saturn is not opposite her Venus, rather it is sextile (1°25') to her Mars. (Light blue lines show sextiles.) See the user manual for this software, and in particular the Configuration section for aspect colors. IP: Logged |
Enigma9
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posted August 24, 2013 11:13 PM
o i'm sorry, i should have clarified. it's an aspect of a different synastry. IP: Logged |
planet9
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posted August 25, 2013 12:27 AM
To err is human, as St. Jerome said (but in Latin).I can't resist adding this nice image of a simultaneous grand trine and grand cross occurring at midnight August 25/26 (and becoming less exact until it disappears on August 30).  IP: Logged |
Enigma9
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posted August 25, 2013 02:14 AM
so what those aspects mean in synastryIP: Logged |
Enigma9
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posted August 25, 2013 02:14 AM
so what those aspects mean in synastryIP: Logged |
planet9
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posted August 25, 2013 02:25 AM
A synastry chart shows the aspects made between the natal planets of person A and the natal planets of person B. A chart showing the aspects between the planets on a particular date and time, such as midnight tonight, has nothing to do with synastry. I just thought the simultaneous grand trine and grand cross was interesting - doesn't happen often.And I just noticed that this grand trine + grand cross was in effect at the time of the (very likely) false flag sarin attack in Damascus (August 21, 3 am local time). IP: Logged |
indy19
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posted August 25, 2013 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Enigma9:
so what those aspects mean in synastry
I have this with my best friend (of over 30 years) and I've seen this in long term couples, as well. All of the instances I saw were under 1 degree orb. Pretty powerful stuff. The best phrase I can use to describe it would be (provided the two people are not depressives or bipolar) "quiet support". The Saturn will not shout their affection from rooftops but will show their love through action. We forget that Mars is not the only "action" in astrology. Saturn denotes "work". And, here, it works for Venus in ways that do not involve hearts and flowers and firecrackers and fanfare, but quiet, steady, long-term support. This can be a slightly controlling contact, however, so the Venus has to have some fire within and a backbone. Cheers,
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posted August 25, 2013 04:19 PM
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posted August 25, 2013 04:20 PM
I have this with my best friend (of over 30 years) and I've seen this in long term couples, as well. All of the instances I saw were under 1 degree orb. Pretty powerful stuff. The best phrase I can use to describe it would be (provided the two people are not depressives or bipolar) "quiet support". The Saturn will not shout their affection from rooftops but will show their love through action. We forget that Mars is not the only "action" in astrology. Saturn denotes "work". And, here, it works for Venus in ways that do not involve hearts and flowers and firecrackers and fanfare, but quiet, steady, long-term support. This can be a slightly controlling contact, however, so the Venus has to have some fire within and a backbone. Cheers,
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