posted April 25, 2012 11:55 PM            

"Definition of FEMINISM
the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism

"Feminist - advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminist

posted April 26, 2012 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Wanting to tear down the patriarchy doesn't mean that feminists hate men. The patriarchy hurts men too. Saying that feminists hate men just undermines the entire LEGITIMATE movement.

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posted April 26, 2012 12:21 AM            

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People with these aspects can meet up with more than their share of conflict, and they can most certainly rub people the wrong way[...]Those who know them quite well might describe these people as hot-headed and temperamental at times. They are easily frustrated, and they're given to impulsive actions and assertion of their wills.

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posted April 26, 2012 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:

It's one thing not to support it because you want to be the traditional house wife that does whatever her man tells her too, but it's another when you believe in equality.. yet your not a feminist. That doesn't make sense.

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posted April 26, 2012 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Hell, most feminists would even argue that you can still be a feminist and a house wife, it's your damn choice.

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posted April 26, 2012 12:53 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I was simply saying that some of their rhetoric is very hateful ,you cant deny that, some have even gone as far as saying that all sex is rape even if the woman consents because she wouldnt do it if she wasnt brainwashed by the "patriarchy" lmao,and just alot of their writing,one especially comes to mind "are men neccesary?" by maureen dowd, now do you even need to read that book to tell that its hateful towards men? As i said i am for equality but i disagree with some things feminists say,i dont think disagreeing with things like i listed above makes me a sexist,and again i know all feminists arent hateful,but a fair amount are,and i think thats why men are hesitant to accept the label.

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posted April 26, 2012 12:55 AM            

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but most of us dont want the label of feminist because alot of feminists hate men

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posted April 26, 2012 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Hell, most feminists would even argue that you can still be a feminist and a house wife, it's your damn choice.

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YUP! Preach it gurl!

posted April 26, 2012 01:10 AM            

Using "feminism" is just counter-productive.. specially for my generation. In my classes literally 15% (about a third of which are men) of people might identify as feminist.. That's very low. And there is no persuading them.
If something does NOT yield the result you want - doing the same thing over and over again.. will not help.
So - I genuinely think the messages behind feminism need to be revised and re-packaged.

The problem with the word "Feminism" is that it contains the word Feminine/Femina (latin for woman).
If I made a theory about how oranges are related to apples.. I would not call it Orange-ism.

It's very difficult to argue that feminism is about equal rights for both men and women.. and that feminists have men's best interests at heart...... under the NAME - Femini-sm.

If it is about equal rights it should be called egalitarianism (which contains the world equal.. - latin version) . That would make SENSE.
And if you want to make it about gender/sex *exclusively*... then call it -- sexual egalitarianism.
But WHY feminism?

posted April 26, 2012 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I understand feminism has achieved a lot and of course I appreciate it for the changes it has brought about... but it is dying.. This *word* is clearly on its way out. And if people want to rescue the message behind the word... it has to be re-packaged.

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posted April 26, 2012 01:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Question, what are the biggest orbs everyone uses for Natal charts?
because I didn't know that 7-9 orbs count.

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posted April 26, 2012 01:31 AM            

my feminine side:
I like make up and I like trying out all kinds of looks, I like shopping, I b!tch about my weight some times and try not to eat too many carbs, I'm nurturing, love JEWELRY I like the real things too. I appreciate chivalry and stuff from a man. Enjoy a man with gentlemen quality. Some music I like is super girly tecno like Aqua, Crispy, Smile DK. lmao. I like ballet, use to do it. This one is new for me, but I often style my hair. I am fearless when it comes to wearing heels, I think it's important to treat your self to spas, massage, getting nails done and stuff every so often, not like I'm rich or anything but I like to enjoy the finer things in life when I can. I like drinks like Margaritas, and Sex on the Beach. I like women mags like Cosmopolitan and Glamour.

My masculine side:
A while ago I went to the shooting range for the first time and felt great after. I like playing video games. (esp super nintendo), I like watching shows like S park, Archer, Family guy, Bevis and Butthead. Sometimes I feel like guys have cooler clothes when it comes to jammies bottoms and T shirts. I like camping. And yesterday I was wrestling with this dude, it all started cause I thew a pillow at his face and then it was on! I like beer cause it puts me in a good mood. I like metal music!

posted April 26, 2012 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
If it was up to me.. the word feminism would literally die out... and it would be replaced by egalitarianism - which is more realistic anyway because it takes into account all forms of discrimination. It would be SO much easier to get everyone to actually LISTEN to what is being said.
Using "feminism" is just counter-productive.. specially for my generation. In my classes literally 15% (about a third of which are men) of people might identify as feminist.. That's very low. And there is no persuading them.
If something does NOT yield the result you want - doing the same thing over and over again.. will not help.
So - I genuinely think the messages behind feminism need to be revised and re-packaged. The problem with the word "Feminism" is that it contains the word Feminine/Femina (latin for woman). If I made a theory about how oranges are related to apples.. I would not call it Orange-ism. It's very difficult to argue that feminism is about equal rights for both men and women.. and that feminists have men's best interests at heart...... under the NAME - Femini-sm. If it is about equal rights it should be called egalitarianism (which contains the world equal.. - latin version) . That would make SENSE.
And if you want to make it about gender/sex *exclusively*... then call it -- sexual egalitarianism.
But WHY feminism? I understand feminism has achieved a lot and of course I appreciate it for the changes it has brought about... but it is dying.. This *word* is clearly on its way out. And if people want to rescue the message behind the word... it has to be re-packaged.

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posted April 26, 2012 04:48 AM            

But it is pretty bad when due to connotations involved.... many people would never say that they are feminists (in my generation at least - so people now in their 20s).. nor would they listen to arguments that could convince them otherwise.
I know a teacher who asks her classes who would identify as a feminist.. and she told us, almost NOONE puts their hand up on that one. You just mentioned yourself that you would not identify publicly as a 'feminist'.

When some people hear the word - "feminism" they switch off. I do not actually blame them for the reasons I mentioned above... Because it is a really inappropriate name - when you think about it.

For that reason - I refuse to use this word. I will never use it. I feel like it is *yesterday*.
There is too much anger associated. People think this is some kind of "fight" - when you throw in the word.. and everyone reacts as per RedScorp's gif.

posted April 26, 2012 08:47 AM            

Jessica Alba

Sun conj Mars in Taurus (kinda wide though - 6*)

Gwen Stefani

Sun in Libra square Mars in Capricorn

posted April 26, 2012 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Women still make 80 cents to the dollar that every man makes. There has also been many attacks on our reproductive freedom lately, so I'm not exactly ready to hang up the towel yet.

As for the going dutch thing, sorry? I don't expect guys to pay for everything and I'm sorry you met someone that was rude enough to belittle you. She isn't representative of all women (duh).

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Originally posted by Aquaguy91: I personally think that feminism here in the u.s has achieved all its original goals and its admirable,there are women in every career field, there are women:construction workers,police officers,c.e.o's,lawyers,doctors,politicians,military,athletes,bankers,psychologists,teachers etc. Women are far outnumbering men in colleges and have for quiet some time,and also even though women have the oppurtunity to make as much money as men,its still a societal expectation that men pay for dates,i learned that the hard way by trying to go dutch with a girl once,she was f**king outraged and went on to belittle me and tell me i wasnt a real man,funny thing was that she had said she was a strong independent woman and didnt "need" a man , so i was simply respecting her independence.

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posted April 26, 2012 05:38 PM            

Inequality is more than present, just look at the way women are portrayed in the media (mind you men have it pretty badly as well but in different way) women are still objectified, and the world is still seen through a 'male gaze'.

posted April 26, 2012 06:32 PM            

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Feminism is not just about equality in the workplace, just as eliminating racism isn't just about integrated schools.

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