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Topic: Comparing composites to natals
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Lioness
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posted May 14, 2012 12:09 AM
  
How do you read natal planets hitting composite planets or angles?Example,
If some ones natal moon is conjunct the composite dsc.
How would you read that?
Also if natal planets conjunct composite planets.. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 14, 2012 02:47 AM
I would put emphasis if we're talking about comp placements, personal planets, luminaries, on natal angles. Do you have an example of an aspect? Maybe I could help out.IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted May 14, 2012 04:02 AM
((((If some ones natal moon is conjunct the composite dsc.
How would you read that? )))))I would like to say that other peoples affect on the relationship influence the moon person strongt. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted May 14, 2012 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I would put emphasis if we're talking about comp placements, personal planets, luminaries, on natal angles. Do you have an example of an aspect? Maybe I could help out.
His.moon conjunct composite DSC
Her SN conjunct composite saturn
His sun conjunct composite MC
Her pluto conjunct composite moon, and opps c. venus Thats.what I can remember. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 15, 2012 12:14 AM
Maybe someone else will chime in re: the above & their experience. I don't read any of those as being significant. I pay attn to personal placements being affected by the composite, and also composite 'personal' placements that falls on a natal angle, angular house, or significant midpoint. For ex a composite Sun falling on your Sun/Moon mp, comp Venus on your DSC, comp Moon conj your Sun, etc. Then again, I have composite Uranus in late Aries with someone, it falls on my MC and I feel quite brazen and rambunctious around them. It also sq my Moon/Venus so there's only so much of that energy I can take before becoming exhausted and needing a break. It has to also be stated that my n.Uranus falls on their n.MC, so the comp contact might just be emphasizing this trend in our synastry. My n.Uranus sq their n.Moon so we're both feeling this heightened excitement with each other, whether from comp or basic synastry. So the end result in reality happens to be that we become very excitable around each other, but need breaks because a tension develops after a while when one or the other views the other party as clingy. It is hard to maintain a stable interaction with this person, something a Venus trine Saturn with double emphasis might grant.
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miranda
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posted May 15, 2012 03:28 PM
So what orbs would you use for these "conjunctions"?IP: Logged |
slowpoke
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posted May 15, 2012 04:13 PM
Sorry about this . . .Natal planets are not compared to composite aspects. This is because, the natal aspects of one person are added to the natal aspects of the second person, and then the results are divided by two (averaged). The new averaged natal results of the two are then look at and analyzed as one natal result that represents the both of you as one unit. On the other hand, what you are trying to do, is to apply your planet to another person's planet. This is done with Synastry Astrology - not with the Composite Astrology. slowpoke IP: Logged |
Thefish
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posted May 15, 2012 04:21 PM
The composite comparison to the natal charts reveals which planets angles etc will be lit up by a relationship. Natal moon hitting the descedant suggests that there will be a very strong emotional(karmic) tie to the relationship itself. How the natal charts apply to the composite dictate each's persons reaction/action/emotional response etc to the realtionship. So if your 9th house moon in cancer conjuncts the cancer moon in the 7th house in the composite it means that education/philosophy/ spiritualism is a big theme of the relationship and a good reason for the marriage taking place. The natal chart in theory explains the place where each person comes from to that point in the composite chart, or from what sphere they relate to the relationship planets. It can be significant imo, because while the relationship isn't a physical entity the composite allows us to understand viewpoints regarding the house issues. As for the orbs ymmv (your mileage mary vary). Larger orbs for the sun and moon decreasing in size as you get further away. Who knows at what point the orbs lose value. Is it 2 degrees, 4 degrees, 6, 8, 10? My impression is that since all planets/stars are connected we need to look at the smallest orb closest to the harmonic. So for example a 66 degree aspect would mean a 6 degree orb which is 11 degree of the 60th harmonic. Mind you this is a theoretical point. 66 degrees is halfway between a sexile and quintile or a sextsemiquintile or some other such nonsense. The 66 degrees should take on 1/2 the charactrisitics of a sextile (1/6) and 1/2 of a quintile. (1/5) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 15, 2012 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Thefish:
How the natal charts apply to the composite dictate each's persons reaction/action/emotional response etc to the realtionship. The natal chart in theory explains the place where each person comes from to that point in the composite chart, or from what sphere they relate to the relationship planets.
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Ceridwen
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posted May 15, 2012 04:41 PM
Miranda,personally I would look for conjunctions/Oppositions within 2-3 degrees only, maybe 4 degrees with the angles. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 15, 2012 04:48 PM
Liioness,
"His.moon conjunct composite DSC"
The relationship itself is lightening up his emotions/ Moon.
Theoretically he would be affected emotionally by it and also having an emotional attachment to the relationship. But practically it depends on how his Moon is placed and aspected in his natal.
If his Moon for example was involved in a T-square with Saturn-Uranus-opposition natally, then the fact that the relationship triggers his emotions, might also give him a feeling of inner emotional tension.
"Her SN conjunct composite saturn"
She feels this as a karmic connection; maybe she feels very bonded with this, glued to the relationship. But at the same time it could also feel restrictive and holding her back in old outdated patterns of behaviour.
"is sun conjunct composite MC"
MC is the most visible spot, so I think he as a person will be very visible in that relationship.
Almost like the purpose of it is to let his identity shine.
"Her pluto conjunct composite moon, and opps c. venus"
Hm, not sure what that means. Like Lonake I focus on the personal planets and angles in the natal chart.
What house does her pluto rule and where is it placed in her own chart?
Also are there composite planets/ angles that are conjunct/Opposite planets or angles in both natal charts, thus highlighting certain synastry aspects? I think that would be very significant.
Something like his Sun conjunct her Venus and composite NN falls onto this conjunction.
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Planet Queen
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posted May 15, 2012 05:40 PM
Lonake, what would you make of natal Venus/Mars midpoint conjunct Composite Venus? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 15, 2012 06:16 PM
With the mp to comp I would only use a tight orb, 1 degree perhaps. It's an added point of attraction for the Ve/Ma person, one that they might not personally understand, but nevertheless feel drawn. Sun/Moon and Mars/Venus midpoints are classic male/female pairs so they beg for integration. The draw is for a sense of completion, this time on a romantic/sexual level vs. Sun/Moon. If the orb is close enough, and they are in a relationship, then Ve/Ma would look to the relationship to work out some attitudes that they have toward romance and sex, and basic male/female relating, to use the relationship to integrate these to function as a more complete individual. Ideally they'd learn some things and keep that with them, even after the relationship is over. Because the emphasis is not on the partner, it is on what they selfishly get from the interaction, whether pos or neg. If it's to Venus then there is added emphasis on compromise, and balancing all of this out, trying to be a better partner for the sake of the relationship, the relationship telling them that integration is possible, but you have to work at it a bit and here's a helping hand. If it were to Mars the emphasis would be more on stimulating these energies and possibly aggravating, depending. They both add to attraction but in diff ways.IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted May 15, 2012 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by slowpoke:
Sorry about this . . .Natal planets are not compared to composite aspects. This is because, the natal aspects of one person are added to the natal aspects of the second person, and then the results are divided by two (averaged). The new averaged natal results of the two are then look at and analyzed as one natal result that represents the both of you as one unit. On the other hand, what you are trying to do, is to apply your planet to another person's planet. This is done with Synastry Astrology - not with the Composite Astrology. slowpoke
Actually, I've read on more than one site that this comparison is done. Since the composite chart is considered the pair as a team, comparing one person's chart to the composite is akin to analyzing an individual's take on the couple as a whole, the "I" to the "we." IP: Logged |
Planet Queen
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posted May 15, 2012 06:43 PM
Oh wow, the composite Venus is at 15 Taurus, my natal mp is at 15 Taurus exact and my Sun/Moon mp is at 20 Taurus, so its widely conjunct composite Venus. Also the other person's Venus/Mars mp is conjunct Composite Mars exact at 5 Taurus. What does that mean? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 15, 2012 06:46 PM
If you are to ever order a relationship report from astro.com (they run roughly 50$) you will see that even Liz Greene approves of natal to composite analysis. The interpretations are given toward the end of the report. And at the end of the free relationship report on astro.com you will see snippets, one from each person's pov.
Unfortunately in the actual report there is no mention of what exact points are being compared, ie, no astro lingo to scare anyone away, but if you know your astrology you will be able to determine what influences they are commenting on. It starts out, I believe, with natal to natal. Then it goes over dominant influences in the composite. Then at the end natal to composite from each person's perspective, with the same emphasis on certain major influences. I will have to double check the report I purchased to make sure but that is roughly the sequence contained therein.PQ, I edited my response above to touch on Mars a bit. His drive for relating is being stimulated as much as yours but his is pressured more than coaxed. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted May 15, 2012 07:02 PM
Awesome thread!Excellent info, Lonake, Ceridwen.
With examples too. I've always wanted to know the details of how to do natal to composite comparison, i.e., what is imp. etc. So THANK YOU! IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted May 15, 2012 07:32 PM
As far as mid points go, can asteroid/planet mps also be considered? eg. natal Venus/Chiron mp conjunct or opposite a composite planet such as Mars.If so, what would the foll. 3 examples mean- 1)-Natal Chiron/Neptune mp opp comp. Venus(2 deg) 2)-Natal Chiron/Venus mp conjunct comp Moon (exact) and conj. comp Asc. (2 deg) 3)-Natal Juno/Pluto mp conj. comp. Venus (exact), and conj. comp Mercury (2 deg), with both comp Venus and Mercury being on comp IC. Thank you IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted May 15, 2012 08:13 PM
wOW.. a LOT OF GREAT INFO.
A special Thanks to thefish,Lonake,CeriMost of the C.planets are in Taurus,Libra,Scorpio so I dont think any of them hit the natals.. Its mostly Natal planets to C. Angles. The Composite Karma is conjunct my Moon,Merc,Sun
The composite Destinn is conjunct his Sun
sounds scary huh! As for Midpoints.. Geez Most of my midpoints are still in Leo... (I cant get out of Leo)
Going from Memory I believe his is in Cap.
But over all I think I understand how to read it.. "The relationship itself effects the planet"
@ Ceri,
He has moon square Mars,Sun,Mercury
Moon trines jupiter
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Linda Jones
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posted May 15, 2012 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Geez Most of my midpoints are still in Leo... (I cant get out of Leo)
 great thread Lioness! IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted May 15, 2012 08:36 PM
Thank you to Thefish also on the info IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted May 15, 2012 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
great thread Lioness!
LOL.... Even my Venus/Pluto MP is in Leo
Dohhh... I sent you an email
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miranda
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posted May 16, 2012 07:14 AM
Ah, thanks  The composite in question has sun and moon changing places compared to the natal of one person, within less then 1° and but the others natal Venus is just under 3° off the IC of the composite, so I wondered if that's within reason. IP: Logged |
Jkitty
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posted July 24, 2013 03:14 AM
How would you interpret composite planets to the natal ascendant-descendant axis? I'm specifically curious about c.mars to asc, c.venus to des, and c.saturn to des.IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted July 24, 2013 04:06 AM
JKitty,With the natal ASC / DSC touched by composite Mars / Venus / Saturn, I guess that person's sense of identity and the way they relate in close relationships will be deeply affected by the romantic, sexual, and committed sides of the relationship. Sounds significant, to me. IP: Logged |
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