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Lotis White
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posted May 19, 2012 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I been posting on a variety of different threads lately relating to the Vertex. Which lead me to an interesting study on the mythological symbolism of the Vertex. And since my obsession with this special Astrological point has been revived so strongly of late, I couldnt resist an entirely new thread based on Vertex mythology and its implications for synastry.

Interestingly the mythology of the Vertex does relate strongly to the theme of love and passion.

The word Vertex comes from the Latin root word vertere, meaning to change, to turn, turn frequently or spin. The Roman god Vertumnus has also roots in the Latin word vertere He is said to rule over gardens, fruit trees and seasons (changes), and to have the appearance of an attractive young man. Hence, the Vertex has a mythological connection with the story of Vertumnus and Pomona A classic Roman love story.

Astrologer Kim Falconer, talks about this mythological connection to the Vertex on her website. I highly recommend her page on the Vertex. Heres a link http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm

Anyway, Ive read several versions of this myth and have decided to take a shot and writing my own summery of it for the sake of simplicity. So with out much ado, heres a short rendition of the tale to get the main points of it across.

VERTUMNUS AND POMONA

Apparently, Pomona was a beautiful fruit nymph, who had many admirers. Only she had little interest in men, and lived for tending her garden alone. Then one day Vertumnus, chanced to glimpse her through the gate in the high walls surrounding the garden that Pomona lived in. Upon seeing how fine she was, he was captivated and fell madly in love with her, more so then any of her other admirers.

From that day forth, Vertumnus would disguise himself to enter Pomonas garden as various different personalities just so he could be near her. Pomona had built the high wall around her garden to keep out pesky would-be admirers, so Vertumnus never revealed his true identity during his visits. Continuously, Vertumnus pursued Pomona in this way. He appeared before her every day in a different guise, until a time came when he could no longer bear to only love Pomona from afar

So one day Vertumnus approached Pomona disguised as an old women selling fruit. When Pomona saw the harmless old women she let her into the garden, and was surprised when the old woman began kissing her. Vertumnus, seeing Pomonas stunned reaction, then stopped kissing her and an interesting conversation took place. The old women started to try and convince Pomona, through logic, that she aught to consider the value of love and intimacy in her life. This was done using various different arguments. Yet Pomona remained unconvinced. The old women then directly referenced Vertumnus, telling of how she knew that he loved Pomona ardently, and would love no other then Pomona, and that he would make a fine match for her

Even after this, Pomona still remained unconvinced of opening her heart to love. Finally, in a last desperate attempt to gain Pomonas favor, Vertumnus dropped his disguise as an old women, revealing his true appearance as a beautiful male youth and stood naked before her. In that moment the beauty of Vertumnuss true form took Pomonas breath away, like the glory of the Sun when the clouds have parted. She found herself falling in love with him, returning the ardent passion that he felt. Pomona then at last surrendered her heart and ran into Vertumnuss arms. Later they got married. Both of them taking up residence in Pomonas garden and where they have stayed together, still in love, tending the fruit side by side

Wasnt that a sweet story!

If youre interested in reading a couple of other versions of the myth heres a few I found on the net
http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/omw/omw43.htm
This version of the myth is quite detailed, and even discusses the other men, apart form Vertumnus that admired Pomona.
http://ffjh.davis.k12.ut.us/thompson/myths/ehmyth20/POMONA.HTM
This version is short and to the point.

On her Vertex page Kim Falconer makes this pointThe theme of this myth centers on a seemingly chance moment where an outstanding event occurs. To Pomona, it was like an epiphany, a sudden turn of fate, a radical awakening of perception. To Vertumnus, it was at first a well planned strategy, then finally an act of spontaneous desperation. Imagine his surprise when Pomona finally received him!

My take on this is that usually, in synastry, the person with their Vertex aspected plays the symbolic role of Vertumnus. While the planet/point person usually plays Pomonas role Meaning that, most commonly, the Vertex person experiences some type of instant recognition of, or attraction to, the planet/point person. And consequently develops a fascination with them The planet/point person may remain oblivious to the Vertex persons attention for quite some time. Until eventually a moment of reckoning comes and the planet/point person is astonished to discover the full extent of the Vertex persons regard for them. This is primarily in romantic situations, and has to do with secret crushes being revealed and that sort of thing. But it can also apply to other relationships Like if you have a teacher aspecting your Vertex in syanstry, perhaps they didnt realize the full extent of the influence that they had on you, until years later when you wrote them a letter thanking them for their guidance.

Also, sometimes in synastry the roles do get reversed, and the Vertex person plays Pomona and the planet/point person plays Vertumnus. Dont ask me why, but every now and then astrological synastry aspects will flip the script, form the usual expected turn of events This happens with non-Vertex aspects too. Like, sometimes in a Venus/Uranus aspect, Uranus will shock and surprise Venus in the area of love and affection And then, at other times Venus will shock and surprise Uranus. After all, Venus is aspecting that part of the other person's chart which rules the unexpected If you catch my drift.

Also, if two people mutually aspect each others Vertex, they may both instantly recognize each other as special in some way. How fast the relationship develops after this depends on how bold each person is on an individual level.

Interestingly, I know of a real life celebrity example of this type of Vertex synastry. The celebrity couple Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes

Katie Holmes birth time is known, and she has her Vertex at 12 degrees of Capricorn, opposite Tom Cruises Sun at 11 degrees of Cancer

Okay, from what Ive read in articles and such when Katie Holmes was a girl she saw the movie Top Gun starring Tom. She became so infatuated with him after seeing this movie, that she used to fantasize that shed marry he someday (you can see where this is going). Years later she admitted during an interview with Seventeen magazine that Tom Cruise had been a celebrity crush of hers, and that she used to think she was going to marry him Well, as fate would have it, supposedly Mr. Cruise found out about this interview, and it set his wheels turning. He arranged to me Katie under the vague notion that it was for a project, and they really hit it off.

The rest is history. They fell in love and got married. There was the incident when Tom declared his love for Katie, jumping up and down on a couch during OPRAH, and she seemed to be just fine with his Scientology weirdness (not sure I would be, but hey, its her life).

Getting back to the astrology of it. Tom Cruises Sun opposed Katie Holmes Vertex In this case she is Vertumnus. She had a fantasy of him for a long time before he even realized she was alive. Until he found about that fateful interview with Seventeen magazine, he never thought about pursuing her. Once faced with the revelation, however, he had a Pomona type reaction to Katies charms (A romantic Eureka! moment so to speak), and took action And there you have it, couplehood!

What is Vertex synastry? Any planet (especially personal planets) or point within orb of aspecting the Vertex can indicate an attraction. Conjunctions and oppositions are the most potent but other aspects have an effect as well (even trines, sextiles, and semi-squares). It may also be worth taking into account both of the rulers of the Vertex and the Antivertex signs, the same way youd look at the rulers of the Mc/Ic or the Dsc/Asc. The Vertex and the Antivertex do both seem to play an inseparable role in relationships or encounters that feel fated or meant to be.

In terms of orbs I use 4 degrees for direct hard aspect to the Vertex Axis, and then use about 2 degrees for other aspects, and aspects to Vertex Axis rulers.

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posted May 19, 2012 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for all the effort you put into this, it was really good...the vertex story is one of my faves
I just really wonder though how she could kiss an old woman. That is really ewww lol a peck would have been ok but a French kiss? Mmm no way lol anyway good stuff!

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posted May 19, 2012 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was a great story, I loved it... I found it ring true in cases for me..
My ex husband his asc is on my anti vertex.. This was a case were it was flipped.. I knew he liked me but I wasn't really interested... He tried and tried, but still
I wasn't interested... little by little he was around and he started helping me with things. I was starting to like him, but still not really interested...

Then one night he.showed up at my door confessing his feelings for me. Saying he will forever love me.. I gave in... He staying with me for 15 years... He still has the plan to get back together..

With fishy his saturn is on my vertex, we work together..
I watched him from afar for 8 years, knowing something about him.. I would never speak to him, cuz I knew I would fall..
After I seperated from the husband, I walked up to him and we started talking. We stood there for 3 hours talking..
I was fascinated immediately... Years later we are becoming romantic with each other..

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posted May 19, 2012 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lioness:
That was a great story, I loved it... I found it ring true in cases for me..
My ex husband his asc is on my anti vertex.. This was a case were it was flipped.. I knew he liked me but I wasn't really interested... He tried and tried, but still
I wasn't interested... little by little he was around and he started helping me with things. I was starting to like him, but still not really interested...

Then one night he.showed up at my door confessing his feelings for me. Saying he will forever love me.. I gave in... He staying with me for 15 years... He still has the plan to get back together..

With fishy his saturn is on my vertex, we work together..
I watched him from afar for 8 years, knowing something about him.. I would never speak to him, cuz I knew I would fall..
After I seperated from the husband, I walked up to him and we started talking. We stood there for 3 hours talking..
I was fascinated immediately... Years later we are becoming romantic with each other..


Thanks Lioness,

Yeah, both of your examples really seem to fit with the Vertex mythology.

It seems it took extra long for something to materialize with the Pisces.... and this makes sense with Saturn involved, meeting at work also fits for Saturn.

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posted May 19, 2012 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


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posted May 19, 2012 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Thank you for all the effort you put into this, it was really good...the vertex story is one of my faves
I just really wonder though how she could kiss an old woman. That is really ewww lol a peck would have been ok but a French kiss? Mmm no way lol anyway good stuff!

YES! I agree that part of the story is kinda icky... Although in the story it does say that she was shocked by the kiss. I'm not surprised nothing the 'old lady' said after that could convince Pomona that she need a relationship. I mean, some old lady kisses you and then starts talking about how you need love in your life... talk about weird and uncomfortable.

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posted May 19, 2012 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol

But I think it fits the Vertex. It might feel weird and uncomfortable, but compelling all the same.

Interestingly I have not many VErtex-stories to share, except for my liking for man with their ASC being conjunct mine and therefore the VErtices being conjunct as well. Talk about boring! lol

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posted May 19, 2012 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Thanks Lioness,

Yeah, both of your examples really seem to fit with the Vertex mythology.

It seems it took extra long for something to materialize with the Pisces.... and this makes sense with Saturn involved, meeting at work also fits for Saturn.


Yes I know it all fits... Its all going on in my H7..
There was a huge delay.. 8 years.. We were both married before.. We didnt connect until both of us were separated..
I was really afraid to talk to him, because I just knew.. I didnt want to cross any lines..
He told me, that he had his eye on me for a while.. Not sure how long that is though.

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posted May 20, 2012 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wanted to point out that Im looking at all aspects to the Vertex. Not just conjunctions and oppositions. But also squares, semi-squares, sequiqudrates, trines, sextiles And maybe even quincunxes and quintiles if the orb is super tight.

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posted May 20, 2012 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I keep forgetting about these semisquare and sesisquares,w hich is weird as actually I have it natally:
Vertex square Chiron and both sesisuqare Mars, and as a matter of fact there often is a semisquare/ sesisquare to the other`s planets.


What orb do you allow with these minor aspects?

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posted May 20, 2012 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great work! I have also become obsessed with the vertex as of late. Ive been into astrology for 10+ years adn never read/payed much attention to it. But my most fated and Loving relationship of my life had Majot vertex action going on so I have been studying....
We have vertex conj venus 1* and vertex square venus 0* dw in synastry and vertex conj desc 0* in composite.

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posted May 21, 2012 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Oh I keep forgetting about these semisquare and sesisquares,w hich is weird as actually I have it natally:
Vertex square Chiron and both sesisuqare Mars, and as a matter of fact there often is a semisquare/ sesisquare to the other`s planets.


What orb do you allow with these minor aspects?


For hard aspects I use 4 degrees orb, and for soft aspects I use about 2 degrees orb. Also give about 2 degrees for the ‘minor’ hard aspects like semi-square and sesquiquadrate… hard aspects pack a punch.

My orbs might seem generous considering most seem to think the Vertex is not very strong, and they only use hard aspects within an orb of one or two degrees. I tend to think that the Vertex is much more powerful then people realize and make allowances for wider orbs and include soft aspects. To me the Vertex Axis is on par with the Asc/Dsc axis, the Mc/Ic axis, and the nodes. That being said, I do have the planet Uranus tightly conjunct my Antivertex and perhaps this increases the sensitivity of the Vertex Axis in my chart.

And of course, the tighter the aspect the more significant the connection. Even though I do make allowances for those wider orbs, in synastry I prefer aspects with in 1 or 2 degrees if possible.

Ceridwen, semi-square and sesquiquadrates tend to refer to niggling little details. With Mars involved perhaps quick bites of information, or little events that seem fast and sharp in your day to day life can take on that ’Vertex’ like quality. And the square to Chiron from your Vertex Axis indicates that issues of pain/healing, and the understanding of the underlying reasons behind these, may take on the profound life-changing type feeling for you as well.

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posted May 21, 2012 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Great work! I have also become obsessed with the vertex as of late. Ive been into astrology for 10+ years adn never read/payed much attention to it. But my most fated and Loving relationship of my life had Majot vertex action going on so I have been studying....
We have vertex conj venus 1* and vertex square venus 0* dw in synastry and vertex conj desc 0* in composite.

Same here. I was into astrology for many years and never paid attention to the Vertex, and barely thought of it. Then I read an article on it about it and started to notice patterns about five years ago. It was like “wait a minute, there’s something to this after all!” Now I’m pretty much obsessed and it’s one of my favorite synastry connections to have with another.

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posted May 22, 2012 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump, more stories please.

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posted October 22, 2012 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeathIsanIllusion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, the Katie Holmes story...

There's this guy's (let's call him A, he's already been a famous and successful musician for years, whereas I've always been a struggling artist my whole life) Natal Aquarius Pomona conjunct his name in my Natal chart (<1). His name falls at 29 Aquarius in my chart. They also conjunct my early Pisces Vertex (<3). His Vertex trines my Vertex (<1). My Pomona quincunx my Vertex (<1) and semi-sextiles his Vertex (<1).

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posted October 23, 2012 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeathIsanIllusion:
Oh, the Katie Holmes story...


Yeah, Vertex connections can be life changing but they don't always have a happy ending.

Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have double whammy Vertex synastry... Her Venus conjunct his Vertex, and his Asc conjunct her Vertex. They are probably a better example, but I don't really like them as a couple because I feel their relationship began in a dishonorable way. They're both famous so there was probably attraction from afar for awhile before they finally got together. They make a good theoretical example.

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My descendant is conjunct my "friend"s vertex exact in synastry. We're more than just friends but we have no label. This relationship I have with this guy is one I have never experienced with anyone before. When we first met we had an instant 'connection'. He was head over heels for me and would not stop texting and calling me throughout the next few days. I did not like him the same amount and I could not understand what this weird fascination was that he had with me. Anyways, after I gave him a chance, which I felt pushed into, it was as if something clicked in me. I was beginning to fall head over heels for him too. Needless to say, I'm crazy about him now and his feelings haven't seemed to change. We haven't entered 'couplehood' (I'm an Aquarius Moon and he's a Gemini Moon) yet and we're still moving at a very slow pace technicality wise, feelings are ever growing but the relationship is slowly progressing. Doesn't help that we are both Tauruses too :P But I like knowing that I'm always going to be very special to him and I hope he does too.

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posted October 23, 2012 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeathIsanIllusion:

There's this guy's (let's call him A, he's already been a famous and successful musician for years, whereas I've always been a struggling artist my whole life) Natal Aquarius Pomona conjunct his name in my Natal chart (<1). His name falls at 29 Aquarius in my chart. They also conjunct my early Pisces Vertex (<3). His Vertex trines my Vertex (<1). My Pomona quincunx my Vertex (<1) and semi-sextiles his Vertex (<1).


There's an asteroid Pomona? What's the number of it. That would be interesting to check along with Vertex aspects. I wonder if there's also an asteroid Vertumnus...

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posted October 23, 2012 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I mentione it not so long ago, actually I mistyped the asteroid Circe or urania and suddenly Pomona appeared. lol

I think it was 32


My Persona makes much sense.

On 8 Pisces, conjunct Jupiter, Ceres and Pholus and square ASC-mars-Neptune-NN (and Atlantis).


Interestingly it is the very degree Mr Sags Eros is on and my nameasteroid in his chart. Funny.

(LOL his Pomona is conjunct my nameasteroid in my chart exactly as well)

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