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Topic: INSTANT ATTRACTION OR FRIEND FIRST
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depth
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posted May 27, 2012 07:06 AM
  
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
So not true for me.  (though they don´t create romance, just physical attraction, but a strong one at that. Sparks fly.)
Sun/Mars to an extent. Because it's simply so ummm... not 'Venus/Mars' type. LOLZ. I hope you get what I'm talking about. It's Yang/Yang. Yin/Yang is always better & can get you attracted instantly. Yang/Yang don't always work.
Mars/Mars is all about (in)compatibility in working towards a goal, supporting each other, cooperation, coordination, etc. IP: Logged |
Doux Ręve
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posted May 27, 2012 07:08 AM
^ Works fine for me.
Depends on people, probably.IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted May 27, 2012 07:22 AM
@Hera; its her natal AC conjunct Algol. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 27, 2012 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
@Hera; its her natal AC conjunct Algol.
I have natal Chiron there. I reached 29 so far.  IP: Logged |
depth
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posted May 27, 2012 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Yes, it's true that some relationships fail even with the necessary natal synastry aspects to create chemistry. But at least they do give the potential for long lasting adoration of a partner, as opposed to progressed synastry aspects which definitely have a set expiration date.Anyone else care to comment on progressed synastry vs. natal synastry?
I absolutely agree that progressed synastry aspects come with an expiry date. I also believe that progressions/transits/Solar arcs act as triggers. What's beyond my understanding is how attraction that stems from natal aspects(except Venus/Uranus) simply go down the drain? IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 27, 2012 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by depth:
Sun/Mars to an extent. Because it's simply so ummm... not 'Venus/Mars' type. LOLZ. I hope you get what I'm talking about. It's Yang/Yang. Yin/Yang is always better & can get you attracted instantly. Yang/Yang don't always work.
Mars/Mars is all about (in)compatibility in working towards a goal, supporting each other, cooperation, coordination, etc.
Yes, its definitely a Yang-yang-sort of thing. I totally get you there.
It is not that delicious mix of romantic and physical and emotional chemistry. No.
And to be honest if there was ONLY Sun/Mars I doubt it could be anything more than a one night stand, if at all.
But usualyl there are others at play, too. And speaking of progressions if there are serious Venus-progressions PLUS Sun-Mars, that can really get things going.
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Ceridwen
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posted May 27, 2012 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by depth:
What's beyond my understanding is how attraction that stems from natal aspects(except Venus/Uranus) simply go down the drain?
Maybe all natal aspects are rather indicative of dormant potential and need to be triggered?
Or another possible explanation:
Natal synastry has to be connected to natal individual themes? IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 27, 2012 09:58 AM
It never happens instantly for me. It happens monthsss into knowing someone.. Even years with one guy. I'm just not very blown away by appearances. I need to really dig into someone's personality to feel a stronger connection and to really feel attracted to them. This did not affect the quality of my relationships at all so I doubt that 'love at first sight' or 'lust at first sight' is an indicator that things will be better or last longer. It wasn't for me anyway!IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 27, 2012 10:08 AM
About Sun-Mars and Mars-Mars... The conjunctions are common in marriages, mainly when the couple is older and more mature (perhaps their second marriage). This is because they create a strong bond of mateship and trust... Which people tend to really appreciate later in life -- when they are seeking a person to spend the rest of their days with.It's true that these aspects arenot like Venus-Mars.... But depending on what you want out of the relationship -- they can be much better.. because they are not primarily about sex. They are about trust and having the desire and energy to build a life together. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted May 27, 2012 10:17 AM
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About Sun-Mars
Hey, that's us! IP: Logged |
lilithpluto
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posted May 27, 2012 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
The reason I’m wondering about this is because I have a theory about it. I guess my theory is that when attraction shows up between two natal charts… with house overlays (5th,7th, and 8th), and planetary aspects (like Mars/Venus, Sun/Moon, Mars/Moon, Venus/Sun, Venus/Uranus, Venus/Pluto, Mars /Pluto, Venus/Moon, Venus/ Venus, Mars/Mars and so on)… People seem to usually feel that attraction either when the first meet, or within a few months of meeting (like it takes a little time for the synastry to ‘sink in’).
Hmmmm... I have not dated anyone who I did not have some attraction in the first few days I know them. They always have what you mentioned above in synastry. Venus-Pluto, Mars-Pluto. Friendship then suddenly becoming something more has never been the case for me. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 27, 2012 01:21 PM
My friends were like that. Friends for years, until they started dating. (they`ve known each other for about 3 years before start dating!).
As a matter of fact my friend`s husband was very taken with her for a long time before they officially got together, but for her it gradually grew into more than friendship.
Now they`ve been married for 7 years with 2 sweet children.  They have some strong synastry:
His Sun and ASC conjunct her DESC
his Moon sextile her Moon exact
DW Venus-Jupiter-opposition
DW Moon-Mars-trine and sextile
his Jupiter exact conjunct her Moon
his Pluto conjunct her Venus and Mars (and Mercury), opposite her Moon
his Black Moon conjunct her Moon
his ASC trine her Black Moon
his Vertex conjunct her NN
(they also have a lot of squares)
his DESC-ruler sextile her ASC-ruler Moon exact
his DESC-ruler opposite her DESC and 8th house ruler
his int DESCruler conjunct her DESC her ASC ruler conjunct his Jupiter (11th and 12th ruler exact)
her ASC ruler conjunct his Black Moon
her 5th ruler conjunct his Pluto (MC-ruler)
her 7th and 8th ruler opposite his Moon
But they did not begin to date before 2000, when they had following progressions:
her pr Sun-Pluto-conjunction had been applying to an exact conjunction with her natal Venus-Mars-Pluto-conjunction on 11 Libra (yes, all three) in Libra in 5th house. And all this (pr Sun, pr Pluto, natal Venus-Mars-Pluto) was naturally conjunct his natal Pluto and also trine his pr ASC in her natal 8th house. his pr Moon was applying to a conjunction with his natal ASC and later on Sun, conjunct her natal DESC
her pr ASC was conjunct his pr ASC-ruler Saturn.
her pr Antivertex conjunct his n and pr Mars.
I am sure though there were also others.
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Lotis White
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posted May 27, 2012 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by depth:
Sun/Mars, Mars/Mars are platonic, they create no sparks or fireworks.
Actually, yes they do! It's more of a basic physical animal type attraction then a 'romantic' one. IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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posted May 27, 2012 05:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My friends were like that. Friends for years, until they started dating. (they`ve known each other for about 3 years before start dating!).
As a matter of fact my friend`s husband was very taken with her for a long time before they officially got together, but for her it gradually grew into more than friendship.
Now they`ve been married for 7 years with 2 sweet children. They have some strong synastry:
His Sun and ASC conjunct her DESC
his Moon sextile her Moon exact
DW Venus-Jupiter-opposition
DW Moon-Mars-trine and sextile
his Jupiter exact conjunct her Moon
his Pluto conjunct her Venus and Mars (and Mercury), opposite her Moon
his Black Moon conjunct her Moon
his ASC trine her Black Moon
his Vertex conjunct her NN
(they also have a lot of squares)
his DESC-ruler sextile her ASC-ruler Moon exact
his DESC-ruler opposite her DESC and 8th house ruler
his int DESCruler conjunct her DESC her ASC ruler conjunct his Jupiter (11th and 12th ruler exact)
her ASC ruler conjunct his Black Moon
her 5th ruler conjunct his Pluto (MC-ruler)
her 7th and 8th ruler opposite his Moon
But they did not begin to date before 2000, when they had following progressions:
her pr Sun-Pluto-conjunction had been applying to an exact conjunction with her natal Venus-Mars-Pluto-conjunction on 11 Libra (yes, all three) in Libra in 5th house. And all this (pr Sun, pr Pluto, natal Venus-Mars-Pluto) was naturally conjunct his natal Pluto and also trine his pr ASC in her natal 8th house. his pr Moon was applying to a conjunction with his natal ASC and later on Sun, conjunct her natal DESC
her pr ASC was conjunct his pr ASC-ruler Saturn.
her pr Antivertex conjunct his n and pr Mars.
I am sure though there were also others.
That synastry makes me jealous LOL! Yeah, I think you have a point about relationships needing a trigger to gets started (even if the natal synastry is strong). Maybe what spurs two people to even meet in the first place are certain progressions and transits that occur during the time of the meeting. If people have romantic potential in their natal synastry already present and they know each other but are not together…. These types of transits and progressions may open up opportunity to bring about a union.
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posted May 27, 2012 09:02 PM
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I’ve been wondering lately about possible astrological indicators of instant attraction vs. platonic friends first before romantic feelings develop.
Progressions. quote:
INSTANT ATTRACTION OR FRIEND FIRST
I never really know. If I walked into a room and saw two persons there, 99.9 percent of the times the one I'm most attracted to is the wrong one. After much expenditure of energy I come to the realization that other one - whom I didn't notice & wasn't interested in romantically had all the qualities I wanted. So I guess it sorta sneaks up on me. I won't label it friends-first, either. With all of my opposite sex friends there is an undercurrent of sensual interest. But it never goes anywhere, I won't allow it. The closest thing would be someone out of the acquaintance-ship zone who makes a bold move. IP: Logged |
Venus
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posted May 28, 2012 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
I can just tell within minutes of interacting with someone if I'll like them romantically or not. Give me a regular conversation with them and I'll be able to scope out how much I'll like them! Either it's there or it's not - it doesn't happen over time with me. Scorpio Venus, very instinctual and highly self-aware?
yeps same for this scorpio venus 
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted May 28, 2012 04:30 AM
totally agree with you. if i wasnt sure of them from the beginning, i never become sure of them and always something feels off about it. think ur theory could be true ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted May 28, 2012 08:43 AM
Lotis White,well, I picked the goodies from that synastry they also have: ° his Sun and ASC square her Mercury/Venus/Mars/Pluto ° his Moon opposite her Saturn
(though with his Cappy ASC/Sun and her Cappy DESC, it is probably exactly what they need) ° his Mercury square her Uranus ° his Mars square her Sun (which makes for a DW of Mars-Sun square) ° his SAturn square her Node and Chiron ° his Pluto square her ASC (DW of Pluto-ASC-square) ° his MC square her Saturn "Yeah, I think you have a point about relationships needing a trigger to gets started (even if the natal synastry is strong)."
Yes, I really believe that.
Actually Ithink the attraction might be there from the beginning, just somehow people seem to need a trigger to become AWARE of it (if there is strong underlying synastry of course).
" Maybe what spurs two people to even meet in the first place are certain progressions and transits that occur during the time of the meeting. "
Yes, it even works with people you wouldn´t normally meet, though of course in these cases any kind of romance or relationship is excluded.
But in my case it worked when I was suddenly and coincidentally getting the chance to see two pretty famous actors (TV and movies) on stage.
It was very unlikely that this would ever happen, especially in the second case (who would have thought that an American based actors would choose to come to a convention in Germany? Some of these unlikely things that sometimes happen nevertheless).
The progressed synastry was intersting to say the least.
I am only listing the conjunctions, as these are a "place to meet".
Actor A
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his pr Neptune conjunct my ASC 0.03s
his n Sun conjunct my pr ASC 0.04 s
his pr Sun conjunct my n Moon 0.10a
his pr BML conjunct my pr Node 0.19a
his pr Mars conjunct my n Sun 0.22 a
his pr Moon conjunct my pr Jupiter 0.53 a
his pr Venus conjunct my pr Sun 1.54 a
additionally (but I think it is important):
his pr Venus square my n Uranus 0.01 s
(I was having n and pr Uranus square pr Sun in Aquarius, Uranus ruling my 3rd house, Sun my 9th house in natal - and I DID undertake a trip. his pr Venus rules his natal 5th, 6th house and MC - so creativity- and workrelated - quite a wacky combination there. lol)
Actor B
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his pr Antivertex conjunct my n Moon 0.16a
his pr Moon conjunct my pr Moon 0.42 a
his n BML conjunct my pr DESC 0.41 a
his pr Moon opposite my n Mercury 0.10a
his pr ASC conjunct my n Venus 0.59 a
his pr Moon opposite my n Sun 1.04a
his pr Sun conjunct my Antivertex 1.18a
his pr Sun conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp 1.29a
his pr SN conjunct my pr Jupiter 1.36a
his pr Venus conjunct my n Mars 1.39a
additionally
his n BML squares my pr Pluto 0.00
Obviously this cannot be read like "normal" progressed synastry because of the totally different social circles. But apparently progressed synastry works even in such cases, in the sense of indicating a moment in time where opportunities of meeting (whomever) may be present.
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posted May 28, 2012 10:33 AM
It's happened with me and friends because they were in a relationship. I wasn't waiting in the wings or anything coz it was a 6 year thing which to me is kinda long so I never considered her as someone gf-able. It takes me awhile to really know how I feel. I have Venus trine Neptune. Moon square Venus. It's murky lol!  IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted May 28, 2012 10:53 AM
Instant attraction since I don't believe in frienship between a man and a woman.IP: Logged |
JohnFKennedy
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posted May 28, 2012 11:20 AM
Everytime I've experienced instant attraction, it was extremely short lived and a lot of it was "dream based" - I created things we had in common in my head just because of the depth of allure I felt pulling from them. All of my long standing relationships were when I had friendships with men, got to know their character, and then the seeds of desire began to take place over time. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 28, 2012 07:00 PM
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I don't believe in frienship
It's not really..... a religion..
But, for the record - I don't believe in jogging.
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Desiring Shadows
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posted May 28, 2012 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Hey, that's us!
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"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana." -Groucho Marx IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted May 29, 2012 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by Odette:
It's not really..... a religion..
But, for the record - I don't believe in jogging.
I never said It is a religion. But I have experienced and I know what I am talking about. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted May 29, 2012 04:31 AM
I'm the same with jogging. It is because of all the experience I have - that I just don't believe in it.
I completely understand where you are coming from IP: Logged |
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