posted May 30, 2012 03:47 PM            

"A Woman Scorned: The Betty Broderick Story"

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After sixteen years of marriage and four children, Betty Broderick's high-powered attorney husband decides to leave her for a younger woman with whom he's been having an affair. Hurt by his betrayal and feeling helpless against his legal expertise, Betty begins a campaign of vandalism and verbal assault. Her rage consumes her and ultimately leads to a terrible and violent act.

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posted May 30, 2012 03:56 PM            

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posted May 30, 2012 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I do.

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posted May 30, 2012 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello crissyx89! Welcome to LL

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posted May 30, 2012 06:43 PM            

But if you want to do her chart I found her birthday on wikipedia:

Born

Elisabeth Anne Bisceglia
November 7, 1947 (age 64)
Eastchester, New York, U.S.

And Dan Broderick (from this site):

Birth: Nov. 22, 1944
Pittsburgh
Pennsylvania

posted May 30, 2012 07:26 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I don't excuse her actions and I think she should remain in prison due to her apparent lack of remorse (nor do I buy her testimony on her original intent) and thus likelihood that she might repeat her heinous act. I'm not saying she wasn't pushed--she was--but that doesn't excuse what she did not only to her husband but also whom he was with. And I doubt seeing some Lifetime movie would make me change my mind.

But if you want to do her chart I found her birthday on wikipedia:

Born

Elisabeth Anne Bisceglia
November 7, 1947 (age 64)
Eastchester, New York, U.S.

And Dan Broderick (from this site):

Birth: Nov. 22, 1944
Pittsburgh
Pennsylvania

That's as much research as I care to do.

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That's my problem that she still seems to think it was justified.

Thanks I just pulled up their composite they have Venus square Uranus divorce aspect.I'm surprised they even lasted aslong as they did.

I also did their synastry charts these stuck out most.
Venus conjunction Juno
Mars conjunction Venus
Chiron sextile Venus
Juno trine Chiron

according to magi they had the super linkage aspect

posted May 31, 2012 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by prettywords:
I did it but forget what I came up with bc it was awhile ago. if you read about the case its different than that movie. He totally screwd her legally

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I heard he blackballed her from everything.Also I read it was hell for her finding an attorney.

Dan from just reading this seems like a jerk she held him down for so long.And he leaves her for a much younger woman when he makes it big.That's enough too make anyone snap.I'm not condoning what betty did murder is not the answer.But from what I've read dan was no angel either.

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After Kim's birth, and after completing his medical degree, Dan announced that he didn't want to proceed with his medical training and that he intended to combine it with a law degree.He enrolled at Harvard Law School while Betty held down a variety of jobs to support his studies. In 1973, after Dan graduated from Harvard Law School, the family moved to the La Jolla area of San Diego, where Dan eventually became a success as a medical malpractice attorney.Money did not come pouring in quickly, as Dan's initial salary at the law firm where he got a job was quite meager.In time, Betty urged Dan to go into practice for himself, which he did. Shortly afterward, Dan enjoyed much success. Virtually overnight, after Dan won his first million-dollar case, the Brodericks became bona fide millionaires, and it appeared that after years of hard work and sacrifice, the Brodericks had finally made it. The couple was well known within San Diego social circles and enjoyed a life of increasing affluence. Betty was finally able to quit working and reap the benefits of all of her hard work.

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posted May 31, 2012 01:50 AM            

It's because of women like Betty that I never wanted to marry (not the Sag Asc. )
I've seen women give their all to a marriage and family only to be cast aside in the end. I'm not saying it happens all the time but it does happen quite a bit. I can certainly understand why she's not remorseful and maybe it's easier living in Prison than living with him alive and married to her replacement. Scorpio's downfall can be spite.

posted May 31, 2012 02:31 AM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
I don't condone her actions, but I do understand her rage.
She gave up her own career and put him through Law School.
When he used her up, he traded her in for a younger wife.

It's because of women like Betty that I never wanted to marry (not the Sag Asc. )
I've seen women give their all to a marriage and family only to be cast aside in the end. I'm not saying it happens all the time but it does happen quite a bit. I can certainly understand why she's not remorseful and maybe it's easier living in Prison than living with him alive and married to her replacement. Scorpio's downfall can be spite.

I feel great pity for her.

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I always heard Scorpio women can be the most vengeful when scorned.I always felt it was a myth until I read about Betty Broderick.

I noticed when I pulled their synastry charts up.Betty's Saturn made an aspect with all Dan's inner and outer planets except Pluto.I read that the person with their saturn aspected the most are more attached.The whole thing is just sad the kids not only lost their father but mother aswell.

posted May 31, 2012 05:00 PM            

There are reports from the kids saying she became a scary monster to all in the house, and they asked the father to take 'em with him if/when he leaves.

I also read she had a lover at the time of the murders. She said it wasn't intimate, though they slept in the same bed. The kids claimed to have walked in on them taking a shower together.

posted May 31, 2012 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
From what I read her erratic behavior preceded the divorce. One can argue she drove him away.

There are reports from the kids saying she became a scary monster to all in the house, and they asked the father to take 'em with him if/when he leaves.

I also read she had a lover at the time of the murders. She said it wasn't intimate, though they slept in the same bed. The kids claimed to have walked in on them taking a shower together.

It is interesting to hear what the kids have to say about the relationship between their parents.

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I personally think he was gonna leave her either way.He was checking out Linda at the party with Betty there.If that's not shady I don't know what is.Reports from his former employee's claim shortly after Linda joined the firm in 83 they started seeing each other.Then in 86 he filed for divorce.Betty just snapped unfortunately never recovered.

I wish Betty would have really let go of dan and put effort into another romantic relationship.It seems like the man she was with was only a pawn for betty to get even with Dan.Then seeing it didn't work which infuriated betty even more.

posted May 31, 2012 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
He did soooo much more than leave her for a younger woman. You don't have the right to do to anyone what they did to her. They destroyed her entire life except the physical body. It was very sadistic and malicious and it's a disgrace that her own kids and more women didn't support her. As we say in Texas, "the ******* needed killin'. LOL. I think it was justified and if anyone ever deserved to get off on a crime of passion, it was Betty. When is she getting out? Another one I think got screwed is Susan whatever from California. The one who was molested by her therapist, Felix, then kept a virtual prisoner all her life and bullied and left destitute by him. He's another one that got what he had coming. Why do I hear "Earl" by the Dixie Chicks? LOL

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I agree he totally screwed her over.Blackballed from the legal system in San Diego.Blackballed from the community.She helped him with his career/schooling.Not only financially but emotionally aswell.Shortly after she gives birth to his 4th child shortly after he becomes wealthy.He starts cheating on her with another woman.Its just a total slap in the face,she was there for him threw thick and thin.I don't condone murder but my god I can see how she snapped.

She was denied parole in 2011..Her son was on Oprah last season.He thinks she should be let out of prison.Looks like he's standing by his mother.

posted May 31, 2012 07:18 PM            

For that matter if I were going to kill someone I'd have gone about it a lot smarter than that, but her complete lack of impulse control just shows she's a menace and if she got off for that then next time it would be even easier for her to kill.

posted June 01, 2012 03:49 AM            

And don't tell me what I'll “NEVER” understand given that I've been in sitches that you'll hopefully never understand and managed to act rationally, and even as a teenager managed to act with more maturity than BB. And I've known people who have been in far worse sitches (some of whom could even improve their sitch by lashing out murderously even when the law comes down on them like a ton of bricks yet they refrain to spare their families the pain or even just because their sense of right & wrong is that strong) yet managed to retain their dignity and honor, and even when they were forced to kill in defense of self and others they managed not to be a nut case, which is to say the did better while enduring far worse than someone like Betty Broderick could survive given she'd lose all self-control and destroy herself in the process, just as she pretty much destroyed herself in this case by being weak.

In any case I understand self-control, how to not give in to impulses (especially over and over again as she did which shows a pattern of behavior, not a momentary loss of control), how to recognize when someone is playing me and trying to provoke a reaction, and most of all to not let them do it so that s/he wins. Interesting enough that I seem to have more self-control than that Scorpio though maybe I lack the self-destructive Scorpio tendency that BB drowned in.

And given how much money her husband had there are plenty of lawyers who'd love to sue her husband for a cut of the profits (though of course they're not going to waste their time on a loose cannon like her as she just sabotaged herself repeatedly, and yes, I consider her in control of her own behavior, not him, despite how vile her husband was). Lawyers don't have anything like a “bros before hos” code, they'll happily tear into another lawyer if they believe they can win (and had she played her cards right, she would've). They tend to be a very mercenary, backstabbing bunch (much like her husband) and she should've taken pleasure in turning the system against him instead.

Furthermore, there are legal groups who specifically represent women in divorce cases and can get dirty as hell in the fighting and in my experience they're very effective. One such group helped my mom in her divorce and they really did Dad dirty (they also nailed the sleazy lawyer that had seduced Mom before dropping her and her case, too, for which I'm grudgingly grateful). They tried to get me to lie about him abusing me but I refused to play along (I did say I'd tell the TRUTH about his abusing me, but not a lie, and I'd also say how Mom abused me as well so they kept me off the stand and lied about me not wanting to testify as "Dad's abuse was so terrible" and lying about my wanting to live with Mom, and even without my testimony they got about everything they pushed for). I've even forgiven Dad for sabotaging the brakes of his beloved Camaro after Mom won it from him (it was never proven but me and Mom are both certain it was him who did it) even though I was in the car with Mom when she lost control on the highway and nearly wrecked.

Yet I don't hold much sympathy for Dad because he messed himself up with his drunken rages, flamboyant stalking, and public temper tantrums (just as BB did) which hurt him in court and cost him about everything. They provoked him every way they could to make him act as irrational (as was done to Betty Broderick) while advising Mom to never lose control because as long as he was the one acting berserk while she kept her dignity then she was the one who was going to win. To bad BB didn't have the same counsel my mom did, assuming she had enough sanity and/or self-control to actually listen to it anyway.

Mom was a better Scorpio than BB. She may be self-destructive in some ways, but when it counts, she can be cold, calculating, and self-disciplined. If Mom wasn't so secretive I'm sure she'd have told BB that without discipline corruption consumes itself in the raging fire while the controlled flame burns the longest.

And Mom managed it when it counted. Never mind that before the divorce she lost it when Dad mocked her idea of becoming a model again to the point she grabbed his shotgun from the closet and tried to kill him with it in the living room (would've done it right in front of me had she not been so drunk or ignorant that she didn't know how to switch the safety off). Since I was watching (I think I was 11) I'm glad Dad showed admirable restraint when he disarmed Mom and made sure she didn't have anymore access to it in the future without beating her with it or showing Mom how to use it (making it the last lesson she ever learned). But then Mom was drunk and she didn't have a plan yet, and once she figured out how to ruin Dad she did it with cold cunning and had a lot less just cause than BB to do it.

If I'd been in BB's sitch I'd have availed myself of those services (and given how much money was at stake I bet I could find even better legal aid while still using feminist legal & social resources to my advantage) and not allowed myself to be manipulated as BB was. And even if that didn't work and I decided to kill him I wouldn't have done it as she would, and apparently I could teach Scorpios some things about self-control and diabolical planning.

And had she operated similarly to as how I'd have done and ended up killing him and I somehow found out I wouldn't even turn her in as she'd demonstrate enough awareness of consequences and self-control to not be a threat to those who hadn't seriously wronged her. But given her stupidity and lack of impulse control that's someone who'd end up killing someone else in road rage sooner or later, abuse or even kill her children in a fit of rage or frustration, and who knows what else to anyone else who managed to annoy her. Society is better off with people like her off the streets, even if one or both victims deserved execution.

posted June 01, 2012 07:03 PM            

From http://www.jupitersweb.com/magi-astrology-planetary-symbolism.html :

"SEDNA has no conscience. Sedna is immoral, deceptive, lying, predatory, destructive, violent, bloodthirsty, and rules disaster, upheaval, corruption, illegal profit, and evil.

"CERES although often unethical, materialistic and selfish, Ceres is considered to be the 'little Godfather of Business'

"SAPPHO rules fear and panic, extreme and neurotic behavior, compulsions and obsessions, and stock market crashes"

CHIRON, in the Magi world, rules many things, including marriage, the spouse, karmic bonds, one's public image, life, death, and reincarnation.

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Natal Aspects (acceptable Magi orb is 3 deg.)

Betty:

Saturn TRI Sedna (0.23)

Venus TRI Sedna in Helio.
Venus Qx Mercury in Helio.
Venus OPP Uranus in Helio.
(So all four bodies are connected, strengthening the energy, according to Magi)

Sedna Contra-parallel (CP) Ceres

Sappho SQ Saturn
Sappho CONJ South Node
Sappho at apex of Yod with Uranus and Sedna
Sappho Parallel Sun
Sappho CP Mars

Also, earth square a Pluto/Saturn conjunction, in helio.

Dan

Chiron tightly CONJ Ceres (0.11) in heliocentric.
Chiron CP Ceres

Jupiter Qx Sedna.

Sappho CONJ Venus (0.21)
Sappho OPP Saturn
Sappho SQ Neptune
Sappho Qx Pluto
Sappho TRI Chiron (0.05) and Ceres (0.15) in Helio

Synastry

Betty's Ceres is apex of a yod with Dan's Sun and Chiron.

Her Sappho CONJ his Mars
Her Sappho OPP his Earth
Her Sedna SQ his Sappho
Her Uranus Qx his Sappho

If you think of him being critical of the messages she left on the answering machine (not that they weren't pretty bad), condescendingly chastising that she had to learn to speak better if she wanted to see the kids, then

her Mercury CP his Saturn, in helio makes sense.

Jupiter CP Saturn in Helio, very tight at 0.01 orb. This is considered a “Nuclear Clash” by Magi.

They have the “Impossible Dream Clash,” which is Venus in hard aspect to Chiron. Relationships is 'not meant to be.'