posted July 19, 2012 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
My Vertex at 15'30 Aquarius

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Hi Aeline. I think Oracle also mentioned that she has Vertex at an Avatar Point (from what I remember).

posted August 06, 2013 11:51 PM            

@fishkitten

what are you refering to with the names of each degree point?

posted August 07, 2013 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by FishKitten:
The Avatar Points have been the focus of human celebration for thousands of years. When the Sun is in 15 degrees of Taurus, we call it Beltane. Fifteen degrees of Leo is Lughnasadh, Scorpio is Samhain. Aquarius is Imbolc. The traditional celebrations are clues to the vibrations of the gateways.

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posted August 11, 2013 01:21 AM              

i guess george clooney would have that belthane for his sun. we're a degree apart when i was checking in astrotheme.

posted August 11, 2013 01:22 AM            

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Originally posted by FishKitten:
The Avatar Points have been the focus of human celebration for thousands of years. When the Sun is in 15 degrees of Taurus, we call it Beltane. Fifteen degrees of Leo is Lughnasadh, Scorpio is Samhain. Aquarius is Imbolc. The traditional celebrations are clues to the vibrations of the gateways.

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kellysurteesastrology

indeed, these were once (are still sometimes) considered "critical"-"karmic" degrees.

These degrees are also very intriguing when studying starsets such as those found here ->
Diana K Rosenburg (samp)

another report with 15 deg (critical/star) connections prominent -

Tara Cochrane

15 Taurus aligns most closely with Menkar (Cih/Zibal - Rucha) - so they're tied to the constellations Eridanus (Enki-Ea), Cassiopeia (Ishtar), and Cetus (Tiamat)

15 Leo aligns most closely with Al Minhar (Dubhe - Ketu), Leo, Ursa Major, Draco

(three kings)

15 Scorpio and Rukbalgethi Shemali, Zuben El Genubi, Zuben El Akribi (Heracles/kneeling giant, and the Scorpion's claws)

15 Aquarius Al Nair (("the light (shining tail of the fish" though it presently belongs to Grus), Al Fawaris (Cygnus), Rotanev (er Venator, Delphinus), and Urakhga (Roc/Rukh, or Cygnus).

When you look at the location of those starsets, the constellations, what they have in common, you find a pretty obvious pattern. At the ~15th degree 3 of the primordial forces come together, acting as gateways and pillars.

~ the only "avatar" point, as it is called here (more in relation to mansions, though if I'm right), that are highlighted in my own chart are the starset in Scorpio.

14deg *Rukbalgethi Shemali* *Zuben Elgenubi* Saturn (14°56' 6") Eros Ishtar Garuda Eucharis Sarpedon DateMasamune Lova Shanghai (Pars)-hereditati
15deg *Zuben ElaKribi* Agenor Asios Chromios Hel Demoleon Erichtonios Klythius Thymoitos Troilius Manas(a)
16deg Brangane Dimpna Dolon Philomela Wisdom

Leo is moderately highlighted, but more by points than by conjuncts - still, being trine with S.Node-Venus in Sagittarius - and being in the 12th is pretty significant to me.

14deg *Dubhe* Nat.Priapus Prokne [Mars+Chi MP]
15deg *AlMinhar* [Plu+Chi MP] (Pars)-ObitumParentis (Pars)-Siblings
16deg *Ketu* Logos

Aquarius 15th starset/avatar point is similar to Leo, but has far more objects - contested 6th house grounds. x.x

Taurus of the 15th degree pairs well with my other Earth and Water placements, but is kinda funny since there is a Lot of Hazards (basically) right on top of "paradise". I laugh every time I look over those degrees. - nice, eh... lol Considering IQ's theory on the opposite point of Saturn and Karma... having EMP, part of (hazards), and paradise together opposite my Saturn, kinda makes my skin crawl. hah ~ (I don't like sabian symbols though, just sayin' - scorpio 15 are man-made (laborious) connections/communications, 15 taurus seem to read connections/communication of nature (natural) and youth... 3h/9h oy vay)

The ancient celebrations that took place annually in cultures in every hemisphere at the coming and going of the sun (or other events) that came about during those periods - and where then tied to those aspects and positions... those are sure enough signs for me to look at the avatar point/critical degrees in the fixed signs all the more closely. ^^

posted August 22, 2013 08:18 PM            

Thank you for adding to the thread. I've been really curious about this topic

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