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aquaguy91
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posted June 09, 2012 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odette i wouldnt be so sure that you are in control, you just think you are, scorps are very good at letting you think you are in the drivers seat when in reality you arent.

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posted June 10, 2012 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just feel like he FEELS like I am in control.
We have Pisces-Scorpio trines.. so we do feel each other.

Not that I want to be in control lol

He seemed a bit scared of me. But maybe he is pretending.

My feeling was that he did a classic Sagittarian foot-in-the-mouth thing - by being TOO open (like I said - he has Moon&Venus conj in Sag) - ... and later when he realised his mistake - his Scorpio side panicked.
Because Scorpio is more hidden.

Since I have an earth Moon and earth Venus - I am very different emotionally to his Sagittarian Moon&Venus. I take my time.
For some reason this ^ scares him. That's what I saw in his eyes, anyway.

:edit: ^^ that still kind of make sense.. except he is a Sagittarius Sun with Scorpio Mercury.. so the foot-in-the-mouth thing could be his Sun.. and the 'holding back' part - his Mercury:edit:

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posted June 10, 2012 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
I just feel like he FEELS like I am in control.
We have Pisces-Scorpio trines.. so we do feel each other.

Not that I want to be in control lol

He seemed a bit scared of me. But maybe he is pretending.

My feeling was that he did a classic Sagittarian foot-in-the-mouth thing - by being TOO open (like I said - he has Moon&Venus conj in Sag) - ... and later when he realised his mistake - his Scorpio side panicked.
Because Scorpio is more hidden.

Since I have an earth Moon and earth Venus - I am very different emotionally to his Sagittarian Moon&Venus. I take my time.
For some reason this ^ scares him. That's what I saw in his eyes, anyway.



Haha your the one overthinking things,it sure seems like he is in control to me.

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posted June 10, 2012 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wanted advice as to whether to talk to him and be on friendly terms..... OR...... play games for once in my life - just for the hell of it - since he seems turned on sexually - by the fact that he lost control.

But I have my answer - because I have too much going on and I don't have time for this kind of thing anyway. So I will have a little heart to heart and do the whole Pisces Merc thing, telling him he is the most amazing person and that he inspires me and "bla bla" - I'll think of something nice that makes him feel like superman.... and all will be just fine again.

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it sure seems like he is in control to me.

Neither of us is in control, as such.. but in his mind - he is under the impression that I acquired control over him.

I was trying to figure out whether Scorpios are *actually* sexually turned on by feeling this way -- or-- whether they are put off.

Because my intuition said that he was turned on.

My question was not whether or not he is in control - here.

I know that he feels like he lost control.
So - At this stage.... My question is: Does he LIKE it or HATE it?

Because if he likes it - I could keep going.
If he hates it - I could stop and be nice.

Many interpretations online say Scorpio ENJOYS and wants to be in control.
So I wanted to know - when they accidentally *lose* control (because this was an accident, not a premeditated thing).... How does that make them feel?

Psychologically I could see this being a good feeling - kind of like "giving in" to someone and letting go of your ego...
So I could see WHY he might -like- the feeling.

On the other hand - I could also - understand if he is genuinely upset/angry.

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posted June 10, 2012 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh ok, so you barely met?
Um well, if you think he might have potential then definitely have a talk.

If you think he's a douchebag then lol go ahead play with his mind. But...if you don't know him well and if he's a nutcase...I doubt that would be the way to go.

So second option, let him go.

I think he's hurt though. Because well scorpios, we are tough but we really want someone we can trust and feel safe and secure with. Honest to God.
I think, that when he was opening up to you he expected you to relate or at least make him feel safe telling you. He probably saw you as a mad scientist looking cooly at it's prey. lol
I too get this way. If I'm opening up to another human being I expect something more than a a cold, calculating stare. <--Is that even social normal? lol I have no clue.

So if I were him I would have been distant and cold in return, not as giving of my emotions like you had done to him.
He's only reciprocating what he felt. I might have said hi to you, but I wouldn't be as enthusiatic about speaking to you.

Oh and I should mention, any mistake you make is harbored for a while or at least you have done somethings to cancel it out. I say this in plural because you can't cancel out a circumstance by say buying roses. You have to show him that you are interested in what he has to say and aren't simply playing games and being cold on purpose. If you do that a couple times he'll get over this slight.

I can say for sure that we are a handful.
We aren't ones to forgive too easily.

And it takes a lot of patience and consistency on the other person's part. If you don't think that is to your liking then seriously don't get involved. You'll end up hurting each other.

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posted June 10, 2012 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your post Dreaming. I do have quite a few Scorpio influenced people in my life, and I know what you mean. I don't think I would even be here asking this question if it wasn't for the fact that he seems different.

He's a lot more tough emotionally and has a light-hearted side (which is his Sag side).

He said as a joke - that his perfect relationship would be one like Mr&Mrs Smith.
But to be honest - I don't think it was a joke.

:edit: ^^^ this is actually hilarious in retrospect, since I do have his accurate chart now.. and we have the exact same square brangelina have... with cappy mars squaring aries mars exact lmao :edit:

Something about his overall behaviour and personality makes me think that he would like some feistiness as 'foreplay'... He's almost bringing that out in me.

But - since he is not a Sag Sun.... I'll stick to being the 'nice girl'... because it is probably safer.
I know that Scorpio can be very emotional and maybe this would end badly if we played a game.

*edit* well actually he IS a Sag SUN..... O_O craziness... *edit*

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posted June 10, 2012 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually match well with Scorpio placements because we are both very serious and - some would say - boring.
I have Cap Moon & Mars - Pisces Merc.

This guy has -punch- though. I think his Sag brings out my Aries... and my Aries comes out so rarely, that it's really an 'event'.

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posted June 10, 2012 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
I just wanted advice as to whether to talk to him and be on friendly terms..... OR...... play games for once in my life - just for the hell of it - since he seems turned on sexually - by the fact that he lost control.

But I have my answer - because I have too much going on and I don't have time for this kind of thing anyway. So I will have a little heart to heart and do the whole Pisces Merc thing, telling him he is the most amazing person and that he inspires me and "bla bla" - I'll think of something nice that makes him feel like superman.... and all will be just fine again.

Neither of us is in control, as such.. but in his mind - he is under the impression that I acquired control over him.

I was trying to figure out whether Scorpios are *actually* sexually turned on by feeling this way -- or-- whether they are put off.

Because my intuition said that he was turned on.

My question was not whether or not he is in control - here.

I know that he feels like he lost control.
So - At this stage.... My question is: Does he LIKE it or HATE it?

Because if he likes it - I could keep going.
If he hates it - I could stop and be nice.

Many interpretations online say Scorpio ENJOYS and wants to be in control.
So I wanted to know - when they accidentally *lose* control (because this was an accident, not a premeditated thing).... How does that make them feel?

Psychologically I could see this being a good feeling - kind of like "giving in" to someone and letting go of your ego...
So I could see WHY he might -like- the feeling.

On the other hand - I could also - understand if he is genuinely upset/angry.



Who isnt turn3d on sexually by the thought of losing control?

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posted June 10, 2012 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LoL Aqua - That's probably a good point ^^ ... but it's not what you normally hear about Scorpios.
I don't want to upset or hurt anyone.

If I did play any kind of game I'd have to feel like - it is just a fun kind of 'thing' between us..
I wouldn't do this if I thought he was really hurt.
And I agree with Dreaming that there's a possibility that he was *really* hurt - so I'll just stay on the safe side...

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posted June 10, 2012 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
LoL Aqua - That's probably a good point ^^ ... but it's not what you normally hear about Scorpios. I don't want to upset or hurt anyone.
If I did play any kind of game I'd have to feel like - it is just a fun kind of 'thing' between us..
I wouldn't do this if I thought he was really hurt.
And I agree with Dreaming that there's a possibility that he was *really* hurt - so I'll just stay on the safe side...


I enjoy a good spanking

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Originally posted by Odette:
Is this something that turns a Scorpio guy ON -- or scares them so badly they run for the hills?

I can't work out whether he is turned on or whether he hates me.

He did something that was out of character... and basically wore his heart on his sleeve - and because I reacted with Capricorn coolness... and did not instantly reciprocate - he felt vulnerable in a negative way.

But I feel like it turned him on as well...

I'm not sure what to think.

As a Scorpio - Would you feel challenged by a person who makes you lose control... would you still like them and chase?
OR
Would you feel threatened and angry (in a negative non-romantic way)?


Turn on.

Challenged yes. Fascinated, mesmerized, hypnotized even.. Someone I am actually interested in, not reciprocating oh yeahhh they have my attention.

Taste of my own medicine. Hello there! no chasing but let's play!

How do u know wearing his heart on his sleeve is not another test?

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posted June 10, 2012 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to LL Peregrine!!


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How do u know wearing his heart on his sleeve is not another test?

Because there was no way for him to predict that he would bump into me... and the set of circumstances were just weird... so we ended up in a situation that kind of shocked both of us - and that was when it all came out. It happened so fast. I mean even if he had some sort of pre-planned test - he could've never predicted what happened.. so it would just be really far fetched that he concocted this.

His Venus is at 22'21 Sagittarius.
My Uranus is at 22'22 Sagittarius.

His own Uranus is at 25'17 Sagittarius.

I think the sudden events were partially due to Uranus.

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Hello there! no chasing but let's play!

Really? So it wouldn't be a bad thing? lol

Are you male or female?


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I enjoy a good spanking

LOLLL
Do you now?


*edit* ^^ that was all wrong.. His Uranus is exactly trine my Venus... NOT ... conjunct *edit*

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posted June 10, 2012 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol I've read the whole thread and well.. what shall I say now? ; )

Euhm.. well reading the first page I thought, if this guy has NO significant Fire-placements then I'll lose my astrological head!
And then you confirmed it lol.

(Talking from my Scorp-Moon and fire-Sun here)

I'm sure he knows there wasn't any intentionality in your reaction to hurt him.. but yea ofcourse he didn't exactly get what he wanted which certainly gave him that out-of-control feeling for opening up a bit too much... and well hihi those typically deep Scorp-emotions ofcourse have to have its OUTLET! I can't think of something more *natural* than being *THAT* open in front of you afterwards... just play the game! Enjoy it! Don't lose the child within you by taking it too seriously.. *laugh inside* .. such spontaneous energy can even be very healthy ; )

Btw, my dad also had a Venus/Moon conjunction in SAG although he was a typical CAP .. he married my mom a fiery Leo-Sun with also signif. earth-influcence ..

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posted June 10, 2012 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaming111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I enjoy a good spanking [/B]

Um tmi....lol

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posted June 10, 2012 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sexyaqua30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I'm confused what did you do to deserve him ignoring you? I have no tolerence for scorpios which may explain why we end up together then apart. I don't like games and beating around the bush. Just be straight up and say hey I'm feeling you and if you feel the same then I suggest you act that way...then walk away. Scorpio men love fiesty women. Dated a few they like to be in control emotionally but they go all loopy when you have the control.

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posted June 12, 2012 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpy_oh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i wouldn't recommend playing games with a scorpio. no matter how evolved or unevolved they are. they're paranoid creatures and can easily twist the nature of things or take things too far as they are extremists.

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posted June 15, 2012 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 15, 2012 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpy_oh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if someone kept quiet when i left myself vulnerable to them.. letting them know my feelings for them, then i would take it as rejection. i tend to not hear the words that were said, but rather the words that weren't said. if that makes sense at all lol. silence and leaving things hanging in the air is worse than just flat out saying "no".

maybe this is his way of retaliating as he took it as rejection. you could have made it worse. it's hard to interpret these things when you're not there to observe both participants. his half smile could have meant that he's satisfied with you 'taking the bait'. meaning that he's getting into your head because you felt the need to talk about it with someone. or it could mean that the game is on and he's enjoying the thrill.

i don't know. this is the best i could do given the limitations.

what are your expectations with him? if you don't mind me asking. i only ask because expectations almost always lead to disappointment.

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That's so hot lol! Well played!

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posted June 15, 2012 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After reading this entire thread I can confirm that you are indeed awesome as hell and are therefore not the kind of woman a Scorpio finds himself comfortable with because you slink past his emotional manipulations flawlessly and with humor. Whether they want to admit it or not, they want someone a little more simpering. Strong, to be sure, but weak, "for them". I've dated way too many Scorpio's not to pick up on this pattern now, as someone that's also Saturnian like yourself.

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posted June 15, 2012 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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(At this point Scorpio guy dropped his fork and looked up LOL)

OMG LOL!

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posted June 15, 2012 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yup, he's festering inside. If you don't show any emotions or let him know what you think, then he'll close the books on you. He might even end up disliking you.

^THIS THIS THIS.

I have a Scorpio Venus and Pluto and I am like that too.

I don't do romantic relationships, so maybe it's a little different, but I am definitely like this with friends/potential friends.

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posted June 15, 2012 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yup, he's festering inside. If you don't show any emotions or let him know what you think, then he'll close the books on you. He might even end up disliking you.

Oh yes, this, mhm. He wants control and if he desires you, the two can't be separated for him to happu. Pull 'im aside and talk to him, confront him, he'll be entertained...but try not to pose much of a threat or he'll take you ~~*~*SERIOUSLY*~*~~

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posted June 15, 2012 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scorpy_oh:
i tend to not hear the words that were said, but rather the words that weren't said. if that makes sense at all lol. silence and leaving things hanging in the air is worse than just flat out saying "no".


--again, THIS ^.

Scorpio Venus and Pluto (though I have a Libra sun and Mercury).

Now, I'm not saying that you should just accept anyone just because you don't want to hurt their feelings--no way should you include a toxic, dangerous, or otherwise harmful person. Being safe is important. I'm just pointing out that I can relate to the part that I quoted, as one who is influenced by Scorpio placements.

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posted June 15, 2012 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OHHH Boy!....

I was reading up on the Aries/Sco relationship & found this:

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The flirty nature of Aries ignites the intensely jealous Scorpio, who reacts with retaliatory stings. Always primed for battle, Aries escalates the situation until smoke is coming out of both their ears. These two are like characters in a romantic thriller, where the pair rarely ends up living happily ever after.

O_O I wonder whether he may have already had an issue with my 'flirty' nature... because I am definitely flirty. Maybe this is how it started.

I have never been in this situation with a Scorpio before.. Usually we are more like friends.
It might be because in the past - there wasn't such a strong attraction.
But now because we also have Venus/Mars stuff happening ... it is actually turning into a textbook Aries-Scorpio thing.
That can't be good.
I'm trying my best to channel my Pisces!
Gemini guy messaged us both on FB that we spoiled his birthday - but he hopes we made up. Scorpio just left the convo and didn't say anything.

[edit] and, as it turns out, I still have NEVER been in this kind of situation with a scorpio... and we really are usually friends.... this guy does not count, since he is a Sagittarius...[edit[

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