posted July 10, 2012 03:09 AM            

It's true.

Aries Venus
Retro Venus
Venus square Mars
Moon square Mars
Sometimes Aries Moon

They're just flipped.

posted July 10, 2012 04:26 AM            

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not just venus square mars

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posted July 10, 2012 04:27 AM            

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more humble and careful about people and everyone

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Some do...

posted July 10, 2012 05:39 AM            

While I don't see you as an abuser, I do honestly think that you can be a bit negative about women sometimes. I don't feel like you are at the hate point yet, but it seems at times, while you can and do get along with some women here, you seem frustrated with women, or have attitudes towards women that tend to be negative--not to the point of outright misogyny yet, but if you're not careful, it could develop into hate later on, when you're older, which I don't think you truly want to happen. I think that you do want to get along with women, and the good news is that you can.
Nobody can say, "my chart made me do it". Again, you always have free will.

posted July 10, 2012 06:27 AM            

When Pluto has a negative relationship to the Moon in the birth chart: This is a very deep and painful affliction which creates tremendous anxiety within the individual. When there is even a hint that their security is threatened, they will burst out in a most terrifying rage. Much of this exists in their imagination, but nevertheless, very real to them. To most people the event that triggered the rage seems like a very minor one. The negative outburst seems totally uncalled for. This person is always "putting out fires" which don't really exist. They often react with such intensity that people tend to avoid their company. They can be very coercive and emotionally demanding, and they find it practically impossible to adjust their needs to the needs of others. They are simply too busy trying to take care of their own security needs to be bothered by those of other people.
http://www.astrostar.com/WoundedMoon.htm

posted July 10, 2012 08:09 AM            

My dad had a very aggressive/abusive personality and that’s how he treated me growing up, so when I was younger (mainly in high school) I was drawn to guys that would treat me badly. Because that’s how I was used to being treated and that’s what I thought I deserved. It’s easy to feel like the victim in that situation, because you seem to be a magnet for aggressive/nasty people, but I’ve learned with time that I was unknowingly sending out signals that attracted those types of people to me. And by choosing to stay around them/ repeatedly encountering them, I was playing out my own subconscious desires to re-live some of the trauma and power battles I had been subjected to growing up, this time with me in more control (even if it felt like the furthest thing from being in control at the time). So as a girl with mars opp Pluto, I’ve learned that if I attract abusive men, it may really be a projection of my own repressed aggression I haven’t been willing to own or express. And I think a lot of negative aspects in astrology are like that. Whether we ourselves express those traits or we repeatedly encounter or surround ourselves with people that do, we are still choosing on some level to surround ourselves with those energies, and until we’ve faced the core of that problem the pattern is likely to repeat itself…

posted July 10, 2012 08:55 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Well I’m a girl and I have mars opposite Pluto, and mars opposite moon.

My dad had a very aggressive/abusive personality and that’s how he treated me growing up, so when I was younger (mainly in high school) I was drawn to guys that would treat me badly. Because that’s how I was used to being treated and that’s what I thought I deserved. It’s easy to feel like the victim in that situation, because you seem to be a magnet for aggressive/nasty people, but I’ve learned with time that I was unknowingly sending out signals that attracted those types of people to me. And by choosing to stay around them/ repeatedly encountering them, I was playing out my own subconscious desires to re-live some of the trauma and power battles I had been subjected to growing up, this time with me in more control (even if it felt like the furthest thing from being in control at the time). So as a girl with mars opp Pluto, I’ve learned that if I attract abusive men, it may really be a projection of my own repressed aggression I haven’t been willing to own or express. And I think a lot of negative aspects in astrology are like that. Whether we ourselves express those traits or we repeatedly encounter or surround ourselves with people that do, we are still choosing on some level to surround ourselves with those energies, and until we’ve faced the core of that problem the pattern is likely to repeat itself…

Just my opinion aquaguy. I really don’t think you’re abusive or aggressive, but I think there could be a reason you keep running into the same type of nasty girls… Can I ask how is your relationship with your parents? I know that's a little cliche lol but I think every psychologist in the world would look to your childhood first to address current problems someone is having, and I think there's truth to that. Even if you didn't have a traumatic or overall negative childhood, everyone takes some sort of patterns from the way they were raised and ends up projecting them onto the opposite sex when it comes time for dating lol. Especially since the moon is supposed to represent the mother in astrology...

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posted July 10, 2012 09:36 AM            

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Not necessarily hateful, maybe RESENTful. Which you seem to be.

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posted July 10, 2012 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Astrology only offers possibilities. It gives us raw materials. What we do with them is up to us. Charts represent tendencies, but we always have free will.

While I don't see you as an abuser, I do honestly think that you can be a bit negative about women sometimes. I don't feel like you are at the hate point yet, but it seems at times, while you can and do get along with some women here, you seem frustrated with women, or have attitudes towards women that tend to be negative--not to the point of outright misogyny yet, but if you're not careful, it could develop into hate later on, when you're older, which I don't think you truly want to happen. I think that you do want to get along with women, and the good news is that you can.
Nobody can say, "my chart made me do it". Again, you always have free will.

On top of that, remember that there are different degrees of evolution with every sign and placement. You can have those positions and seek to become a highly evolved person. The choice is yours.

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posted July 10, 2012 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
@odette, all the articles i read say an afflicted moon or venus in a mans chart shows that he can be abusive or a woman hater, not just venus square mars. my venus squares the moon, mars, pluto, semisquares uranus and quincunxes chiron and my moon opposes pluto, so i should be an abusive s.o.b, lol but i'm not.

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aquaguy91, keep in mind--since you've mentioned reading many articles on the subject--I'm started seeing more and more of a discrepancy between between astrology in theory and astrology lived. I've got a series of books (Astrology Made Easy) that base their finding off case studies and/or draw their astrological conclusions from real life parallels.

posted July 10, 2012 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE] yes i do get frustrated, lol its kind of hard not to. and i dont think i'll ever stoop to hating women, apathy is as far as it will go. And to be honest heading towards apathy now, i see so many women complaining about the lack of good men in the world
, but yet when theres a good man who expresses interest in them , they just arent interested. from a man's perspective it's the woman who is the chooser, she chooses to reward a man with her companionship or decline his advances. So its very frustrating for the decent men of the world to see women reward men who do her wrong with love, sex , or support or all 3 and shut out men who are the kind of man she wants. then said women complain how theres no good men in the world and feel sorry for themselves about how taken for granted and lonely they are, but 9 times
out of 10 ,she has atleast one decent guy interested in her but wont give him the time of day. this is the reality alot of guys face, i know, i have talked to many in real life and online. i have also talked to many guys who are very successful with women and they tell me its no secret what you have to do, you have to kind of be mean to women and play games to get them. But i refuse to do that, wont stoop to that level.

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You know, not to make light of your comments, but I had this exact same conversation with someone once, and it was back in 1983!! The guy I was speaking to, used almost your exact same words, too.

The flip side is also true. So many guys only go for the good figure and pretty face, that when The Real Deal is standing in front of them, they totally ignore her. They will totally pass up the true *woman of their dreams* for some temporary Supermodel type, who can have any guy in the room. Yes, I've had that happen to me. My friends have had it happen to them.

It has always been stunning to me how many times I've seen guys go for the *worst* possible woman, but the girl who maybe isn't as outgoing, or as pretty, gets totally shafted and passed over. Just look at those "Bridezilla" tv shows. Who in their right mind would *want* some of those women???!!! Yet, those guys are marrying *them?* WTF???

posted July 10, 2012 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
You know, not to make light of your comments, but I had this exact same conversation with someone once, and it was back in 1983!! The guy I was speaking to, used almost your exact same words, too.

The flip side is also true. So many guys only go for the good figure and pretty face, that when The Real Deal is standing in front of them, they totally ignore her. They will totally pass up the true *woman of their dreams* for some temporary Supermodel type, who can have any guy in the room. Yes, I've had that happen to me. My friends have had it happen to them.

It has always been stunning to me how many times I've seen guys go for the *worst* possible woman, but the girl who maybe isn't as outgoing, or as pretty, gets totally shafted and passed over. Just look at those "Bridezilla" tv shows. Who in their right mind would *want* some of those women???!!! Yet, those guys are marrying *them?* WTF???

I don't know your age, but I saw all of that primarily in my 20's. As people mature, they learn more about what it is they truly want, and they learn what will truly make them happy. At that point, you stand a better chance of finding *the one*, or meeting someone who is now more receptive to seeing what's good and right in another person. Yeah, it's a drag, but hey, when you get with the right person, it makes the wait worthwhile.

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posted July 10, 2012 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
You know, not to make light of your comments, but I had this exact same conversation with someone once, and it was back in 1983!! The guy I was speaking to, used almost your exact same words, too.

The flip side is also true. So many guys only go for the good figure and pretty face, that when The Real Deal is standing in front of them, they totally ignore her. They will totally pass up the true *woman of their dreams* for some temporary Supermodel type, who can have any guy in the room. Yes, I've had that happen to me. My friends have had it happen to them.

It has always been stunning to me how many times I've seen guys go for the *worst* possible woman, but the girl who maybe isn't as outgoing, or as pretty, gets totally shafted and passed over. Just look at those "Bridezilla" tv shows. Who in their right mind would *want* some of those women???!!! Yet, those guys are marrying *them?* WTF???

I don't know your age, but I saw all of that primarily in my 20's. As people mature, they learn more about what it is they truly want, and they learn what will truly make them happy. At that point, you stand a better chance of finding *the one*, or meeting someone who is now more receptive to seeing what's good and right in another person. Yeah, it's a drag, but hey, when you get with the right person, it makes the wait worthwhile.

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posted July 10, 2012 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
I think there is deeper stuff involved as to why they become that. Like affliction is just a hard aspect to a malefic right? So say moon square Pluto which I have..

When Pluto has a negative relationship to the Moon in the birth chart: This is a very deep and painful affliction which creates tremendous anxiety within the individual. When there is even a hint that their security is threatened, they will burst out in a most terrifying rage. Much of this exists in their imagination, but nevertheless, very real to them. To most people the event that triggered the rage seems like a very minor one. The negative outburst seems totally uncalled for. This person is always "putting out fires" which don't really exist. They often react with such intensity that people tend to avoid their company. They can be very coercive and emotionally demanding, and they find it practically impossible to adjust their needs to the needs of others. They are simply too busy trying to take care of their own security needs to be bothered by those of other people.
http://www.astrostar.com/WoundedMoon.htm

I think I can be an abuser, cheater, misogynist given the right circumstances for them to occur but there is always free will. Misogyny isn't always hate or mistrust. It could be objectification and such.

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Wounded moon huh? I have this aspect but I'm not filled with rage but I tend to need to be manipulative with females to my advantage. One author calls this aspect a thorny one or something. I don't hate women, I tend to have a perverse lust for them actually and I expect them to accomodate my needs in some ways but not violent or a hater. I also have venus square saturn but I don't know how this applies to me but maybe in the sense that I have had sparse relationships or I dont have the means to have relationships with many women. Moon/pluto tends to relate with females that you had grown up around.

posted July 10, 2012 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by FireMoon:
Well I’m a girl and I have mars opposite Pluto, and mars opposite moon.

My dad had a very aggressive/abusive personality and that’s how he treated me growing up, so when I was younger (mainly in high school) I was drawn to guys that would treat me badly. Because that’s how I was used to being treated and that’s what I thought I deserved. It’s easy to feel like the victim in that situation, because you seem to be a magnet for aggressive/nasty people, but I’ve learned with time that I was unknowingly sending out signals that attracted those types of people to me. And by choosing to stay around them/ repeatedly encountering them, I was playing out my own subconscious desires to re-live some of the trauma and power battles I had been subjected to growing up, this time with me in more control (even if it felt like the furthest thing from being in control at the time). So as a girl with mars opp Pluto, I’ve learned that if I attract abusive men, it may really be a projection of my own repressed aggression I haven’t been willing to own or express. And I think a lot of negative aspects in astrology are like that. Whether we ourselves express those traits or we repeatedly encounter or surround ourselves with people that do, we are still choosing on some level to surround ourselves with those energies, and until we’ve faced the core of that problem the pattern is likely to repeat itself…

Just my opinion aquaguy. I really don’t think you’re abusive or aggressive, but I think there could be a reason you keep running into the same type of nasty girls… Can I ask how is your relationship with your parents? I know that's a little cliche lol but I think every psychologist in the world would look to your childhood first to address current problems someone is having, and I think there's truth to that. Even if you didn't have a traumatic or overall negative childhood, everyone takes some sort of patterns from the way they were raised and ends up projecting them onto the opposite sex when it comes time for dating lol. Especially since the moon is supposed to represent the mother in astrology...

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posted July 10, 2012 11:54 AM            

How could someone transcend these planetary afflictions, provided that they really wanted to? I would be interested to read from those men who have those aspects, and are in happy relationships.

posted July 10, 2012 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
How about men with moon square or opposite mercury? What are your thoughts on that?

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posted July 10, 2012 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:

On top of that, remember that there are different degrees of evolution with every sign and placement. You can have those positions and seek to become a highly evolved person. The choice is yours.

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