posted July 27, 2012 11:35 PM            

He is reported to have been born in San Deigo, CA.

Here is an image of Holmes's natal aspects made using the Planetary Aspects and Transits software, which concerns itself only with aspects (and transits) and displays them much better some more well-known astrology programs.

The PAT software reports the tightest aspects as follows:

posted July 27, 2012 11:57 PM            

First the world transits at the time of the shooting:

Present here is a rare 'Diamond' aspect pattern, consisting of a trapezium conjoined to a T-square (having the opposition aspect in common), with the focus of the T-square being in quincunx aspect to the two planets in the trapezium which are not part of the T-square. There is not another diamond until mid-2017.

Here is the PAT graphic for Holmes's personal transits. Transiting planets are shown as white-on-black, natal planets as black-on-gray.

The PAT software reports:

tr.Mercury square (0° 1') n.Pluto
tr.Saturn sextile (0° 3') n.Saturn
tr.Venus opposite (0° 18') n.Mercury
tr.Pluto conjunct (0° 39') n.Neptune
tr.Uranus square (1° 25') n.Neptune
tr.Mercury square (1° 26') n.Mars
tr.Saturn sextile (2° 0') n.Sun
tr.Mars square (2° 5') n.Neptune
tr.Saturn opposite (3° 30') n.Jupiter

and the Moon is also square to the natal Mars-Pluto conjunction.

So there are six squares and two oppositions.

posted July 28, 2012 02:56 AM            

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posted July 28, 2012 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Ms. Jones, "Kannon" is fine. No one "misters" me

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Ok, Kannon, good to know

posted July 28, 2012 12:09 PM            

That's some tremendous effort you put in, Planet.

posted July 28, 2012 12:12 PM            

What gets me is the difference in the nose. 'Cause even if someone smiles, I don't think the nose can spread so much.

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posted July 28, 2012 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful Disaster:
I got this in my email today. Kind of creepy

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posted July 28, 2012 10:36 PM            

At present I don't have the program code or the algorithms to calculate the celestial longitude of asteroids.

BTW it was 'Beautiful Disaster' not me (planet9) who posted the pictures of 'Holmes' and 'Holmes'. I note that the eyebrows are quite different in the two photos. Yes, definitely grounds for suspicion here.

Linda Jones said: "That's some tremendous effort you put in, Planet."

Thanks. I'm not sure if by "tremendous effort" you mean my posts with details of Holmes's personal transits, etc., or the effort I put into developing the PAT software. The latter, if condensed to full time work would amount to several months of 70-hour work weeks.

posted July 29, 2012 01:34 AM            

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Originally posted by planet9:
Linda Jones said: "That's some tremendous effort you put in, Planet."

Thanks. I'm not sure if by "tremendous effort" you mean my posts with details of Holmes's personal transits, etc., or the effort I put into developing the PAT software. The latter, if condensed to full time work would amount to several months of 70-hour work weeks.

My astrological software was originally inspired by reading (in 2010) Richard Tarnas's book Cosmos & Psyche. But it's not just personal interest. I make my living as a software developer and publisher, so I hope people will actually buy the software (user licenses, actually) so I can continue this work (I do have a couple more programs in mind).

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I meant the details of Holmes' transits, 'cause I didn't know you'd developed the software yourself.

posted July 31, 2012 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by planet9:
Now for James's personal transits (which seem to have been considered by only a few of the previous posters in this thread).

First the world transits at the time of the shooting:

Present here is a rare 'Diamond' aspect pattern, consisting of a trapezium conjoined to a T-square (having the opposition aspect in common), with the focus of the T-square being in quincunx aspect to the two planets in the trapezium which are not part of the T-square. There is not another diamond until mid-2017.

Here is the PAT graphic for Holmes's personal transits. Transiting planets are shown as white-on-black, natal planets as black-on-gray.

The PAT software reports:

tr.Mercury square (0° 1') n.Pluto
tr.Saturn sextile (0° 3') n.Saturn
tr.Venus opposite (0° 18') n.Mercury
tr.Pluto conjunct (0° 39') n.Neptune
tr.Uranus square (1° 25') n.Neptune
tr.Mercury square (1° 26') n.Mars
tr.Saturn sextile (2° 0') n.Sun
tr.Mars square (2° 5') n.Neptune
tr.Saturn opposite (3° 30') n.Jupiter

and the Moon is also square to the natal Mars-Pluto conjunction.

So there are six squares and two oppositions.

Those with more skill than I have in interpreting personal transits may care to comment.

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am i the only one seeing the inverted pentagram in the world transits chart? doesnt this symbol represent something? the baphomet? im not sure, as i try not to focus on things of those sorts.also about his ascendant, i think he is either late libra rising, with his mars and pluto in scorpio conjunction intercepted in his 1st house?(the reddish tint to his facial hair would fit with mars or pluto rising, also the lack of warmth in his expression(pluto?). or maybe hes a cap rising with his venus in his first. he has a libra-like venusian thing going on physically. somewhat effeminate looking

posted July 31, 2012 12:27 AM            

There is certainly something close to an inverted pentagram, but it's in the world transits image, not the personal transits image. The former shows the alignments of the planets at the time of the shooting.

The 'diamond' aspect pattern is a distorted pentagram, since the angles between the planets are not those of a true pentagram.

posted July 31, 2012 12:47 AM            

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11nahyt asked: "am i the only one seeing the inverted pentagram in the personal transits chart?"

There is certainly something close to an inverted pentagram, but it's in the world transits image, not the personal transits image. The former shows the alignments of the planets at the time of the shooting.

The 'diamond' aspect pattern is a distorted pentagram, since the angles between the planets are not those of a true pentagram.

The diamond aspect pattern is quite rare. One almost occurs in 2013, but we have to wait until 2017 for another true diamond. See Diamond (aspect pattern).

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posted July 31, 2012 01:11 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by planet9:
[b]11nahyt asked: "am i the only one seeing the inverted pentagram in the personal transits chart?"

There is certainly something close to an inverted pentagram, but it's in the world transits image, not the personal transits image. The former shows the alignments of the planets at the time of the shooting.

The 'diamond' aspect pattern is a distorted pentagram, since the angles between the planets are not those of a true pentagram.

The diamond aspect pattern is quite rare. One almost occurs in 2013, but we have to wait until 2017 for another true diamond. See Diamond (aspect pattern).

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sorry, i meant to say "about the transit chart of massacre day" not his personal. (i got the charts confused). and yes it would be a distorted pentagram. does this symbol mean anything in astrology? i mean its still creepy that on that day the transits would form that symbol.from what ive heard and the little ive read about the inverted pentagram, its suppose to represent some type of evil.[/B][/QUOTE]

posted July 31, 2012 01:18 AM            

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The diamond aspect pattern is quite rare. One almost occurs in 2013, but we have to wait until 2017 for another true diamond.

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posted July 31, 2012 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
the inverted pentagram, its suppose to represent some type of evil.

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It's complicated and the roots of the pentagram stretch into prehistory (some say the first pentagram was the form of seeds at the core of an apple, a once very sacred fruit for multiple reasons, and though the Bible never said such, many Christians even imagine Adam & Eve eating an apple...).

Christianity co-opted the pentagram as the "5 wounds of Christ" (and some churches that have been around for centuries still bear the pentagram) and was used as protection against evil. Of course inverting it, like the cross, came to be seen as evil, a form of dualism that crept into Christianity from a mix of Zoroastrianism (when the Hebrews were slaves in Babylonia) and one of the Ancient Greek philosophers that shaped the Christian Church (I forget which one).

That same dualism also separated the carnal from the spiritual (one of the greatest mistakes of Christianity and related religions, IMO) and this was represented in the pentagram by Christian occultists in the Western Mystery Tradition. Upright it represented (Hu)Man (the 5 points being arms, legs, and head at the top open to God/spirit), but when turned upside down the head then pointed to Hell...and came to be written with the Goat of Mendes (IIRC, a goat in any case) in it and represented an obsession with the carnal over the spiritual. There are many reasons for a goat (the scapegoat of the Israelites to pagan rites involving a goat), and the legs became goat ears or horns, but I don't think that came about until Victorian times (the drawings of Baphomet from before then show him with an upright pentagram and he's more of a symbol of opposites united rather than opposition to God/spirit), and I believe it was Satanists in the 1960s that actually put the goat's face in the pentagram (and the 3 points down also meant rejection of the Christian trinity) and also revised Baphomet and it became very popular (of course Christian fundies probably did more to spread it than Satanists and inspired many would be legend tripping Satanists seeking to rebel against their Christian parents and freak out the adults also started to use the new symbol and confusing the recent innovations with much older occultism of which they had very little understanding of).

In any case I wouldn't think this is applicable to astrology.

posted July 31, 2012 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by ShadowLeo:
In a "normally positioned" (for want of a better expression) pentagram, the upper angle stands for "spirit" and the other 4 for earth, water, air and fire. In some way, it's "spirit over matter", if you will... The other way would be, at worst, hedonistic, LOL, but not evil. The pentagram, as a symbol, is much older than Christianity, and just because something with horns (which, by the way, used to be a symbol of virility and ended up as a symbol of the Christian devil, just like Pan's hooves or Poseidon's trident) might fit in there, it doesn't mean it's evil. Yes, it's used by satanists as their symbol, but so is the inverted cross (and there's a story about a Christian saint asking to be crucified upside down because he thought he's not worthy of being crucified the same way Jesus was, long before the invention of satanism). In a chart, if it would be a perfect pentagram (no matter how exactly it would be positioned), it would be all trines i think, and that's good, right?

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Thanks for pointing that out.

For a perfect pentagram we would need a set of 5 quintiles though, I believe.

However, there are imperfect pentagrams being created if you follow the movement of Venus over the course of 8 years (and the point where it conjuncts the Sun).

Arielle Guttman had a whole book dedicated to this phenomenon (Venus Star Rising) and Robert Blashke mentioned it as well in his book on relationships.

Venus however does not make a perfect pentagram, but a lopsided one, consisting of quinkunx, trine, qintile and sextile I think.