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Topic: James Holmes / 'Joker' Colorado Massacre
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Lotis White Knowflake Posts: 491 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted July 21, 2012 11:15 PM
I’ve just been reading the other posts and I’m seeing the word narcissist thrown around a lot. Yeah, I think this is the perfect word to describe his problem… He’s so self involved in his own fantasies, and issues, that he has very little regard for others…. A narcissist.
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Lazyscarecrow Knowflake Posts: 379 From: En Cee Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 21, 2012 11:18 PM
I thought maybe he just wanted the attention...especially with the rigged apartment and all. But these are all great insights using astrology. Carry on.IP: Logged |
Nine Knowflake Posts: 1120 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 21, 2012 11:24 PM
quote: OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I randomly put his birthdate as 8:05 A.M on astro not KNOWING AT ALL his actual birthdate and now checked and the astrologer on her website says its 8:05a.m TALK ABOUT COINCIDENCE?!
WOW quote: That's Ami Anne's site, she might have just gotten it from here.
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frankie2912 Knowflake Posts: 607 From: yep,ks,usa Registered: Apr 2011
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posted July 21, 2012 11:48 PM
i think it's eerie that he chose to do this on the opening night of a movie called DARK KNIGHT RISES. hmm seems pretty fitting, doesn't it? do you guys think he chose to do this at that particular movie because of the title and maybe he considered himself the "dark knight" and this was his time to "rise". narcissistic, indeed.IP: Logged |
awakemer Knowflake Posts: 396 From: sherman oaks, ca,USA Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 21, 2012 11:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by frankie2912: i think it's eerie that he chose to do this on the opening night of a movie called DARK KNIGHT RISES. hmm seems pretty fitting, doesn't it? do you guys think he chose to do this at that particular movie because of the title and maybe he considered himself the "dark knight" and this was his time to "rise". narcissistic, indeed.
Police say he has been playing for weeks.. so yes it was all planned out. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 34799 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 21, 2012 11:54 PM
Thanks Lonake I amended the time. There is much to see without a birth time. One think that strikes me is the Sun combust mercury, I think. I am tired and will look more, tomorrow. Thanks for your note! Love you! xx------------------ Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Nine Knowflake Posts: 1120 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 21, 2012 11:54 PM
pMoon in Leo is all about fame, or notoriety. If you thought Scorpio was vengeful, try ignoring outraged Leo energy.I noticed he was born at the last quarter. To me this says he's meant to be a late bloomer. I also noticed he came off a pFull Moon about a year ago. That must've been a major life event. It is said at this point the sum total of your life, thus far, is laid bare. If you worked hard you're rewarded. If you slacked off you're punished. With Saturn conj Sun & sq Moon, he's always expected to travel the rough path with hardly any letup. Saturn rewards effort, but for some I guess cracking under pressure is inevitable. I would speculate he must've been expecting some kind of reward or promotion, and it didn't come at the pFull Moon. This I'm sure demoralized him, as he felt all he'd worked for and sacrificed came to naught. Might've also felt banished, ostracized and/or cast off. With pMoon in Leo he hungered for a moment in the Sun. So, if he couldn't be a life saver, he would be a life taker. IP: Logged |
awakemer Knowflake Posts: 396 From: sherman oaks, ca,USA Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 21, 2012 11:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by peachbeigeblue: I think there is a big differentiation between NPD and being a sociopath though. In my personal opinion. I remember talking to my Sagittarius friend and saying I thought I was a narcissist (at least have tendancies) And she was like "what about me?" and I was like " maybe a little but I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE, I KNOW" she just laughed and said well at least she wasn't so bad with it. Some sociopaths don't desire to do anything more than live everyday life without much responsibility and only use people / not care about people's emotions to attain such simple things. I know she's a sociopath. I have a friend or two with this moon and they're a little sociopathic-y.
There is a diff but you can be Narcissist and not be a Sociopath BUT ALL sociopaths are Narcissists. IP: Logged |
awakemer Knowflake Posts: 396 From: sherman oaks, ca,USA Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 22, 2012 12:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lotis White: Virgo South Node expressed at it’s most negative… He meticulously planned the whole thing out. Pisces North Node… He needs to learn compassion, and understanding for other living beings.A Sag Sun with strong Capricorn and Virgo influences in the chart, with his Moon in Virgo squaring his Sag Sun/ Saturn conjunction. To have Saturn conjunct the Sun within two degrees, conflicting with his Moon…. He may have felt frustrated, repressed, and generally very unhappy with himself… like he couldn’t express that fire that he knew he had inside. Apparently he was a very quiet, reserved individual who was academically gifted. According to reports, he went to graduate school and started to flunk his classes…. Perhaps he felt like a failure… His chart is strong in Capricorn… Maybe when he felt like his ambitions were not panning out as he wanted, he just thought ‘screw the world’, and decided to pursue notoriety in a different way. His chart is mostly Earth and Fire, apart from Mars in Scorpio conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, which potentially inclines toward explosive rage, and a willingness to go to ‘dark’ places. Also, when this sign is allowed to sink into it’s most negative form of expression, strong Scorpio placements in the chart are textbook for people with murderous tendencies On the whole though, his chart is not very ‘feeling’, but rather enthusiastic and methodical. Fire can be feeling in a way, but it can also be rather self involved… It may be worth noting that his Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Uranus ruler is Jupiter in Aries. He’s probably the sort who thinks that violence is ‘cool’. I’m a Capricorn myself, and see Saturn influences as beautiful in a way…. The negative side however, can be a tendency to just turn cold, and switch off the emotions. He has Sun conjunct Saturn and Moon square Saturn… It’s like he just ‘switched off‘. My overall impression of his chart is of a practical, methodical, repressed person, (Virgo and Capricorn placements, and strong Saturn in the chart) with grandiose ideas about things, a passion for what he saw as glory, (Sagittarius and Aries placements) and morbid fantasies about death and killing (That Pluto/Mars conjunct in Scorpio). Obviously I’m looking at all of these placements from the most negative perspective possible, because this individual has chosen to walk that path. We all have free will and can choose to do good no matter what kind of chart we have. A different person with a similar chart may have found a way to make these placement work in a positive way. I guess my point is that having a ‘difficult’ chart is not an excuse for his behavior… I’m mean the guy used all his effort and intelligence to booby trap his apartment, when he could have done something constructive…. He’s taken and ruined so many lives just to fulfill some twisted fantasy, and to get attention and fame. I don’t think he truly understands the heinous ramifications of what he has done to others, and now he has some heavy karma coming to him as a result… Back to the Pisces North Node… On an evolutionary level, his mission is to learn compassion for others. I hope he wakes up, realizes what he’s done, and experiences true remorse someday.
I think you are right on the money. Very good points there. I also have strong Virgo and Capricorn tendencies with a leo influence. But i'm not like him. I think if i had no compassion or empathy i think i might of went his route though.. but i'm very high in the empathy scale. IP: Logged |
Maka Knowflake Posts: 165 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted July 22, 2012 12:40 AM
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Joy11 Knowflake Posts: 75 From: Kansas, United States Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 22, 2012 01:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by awakemer: There is a diff but you can be Narcissist and not be a Sociopath BUT ALL sociopaths are Narcissists.
This. I was married to a narcissist, only after getting out did I even learn that this was a real psychological disorder, so I made it my goal to learn about it. NPD is on the lower end of the sociopathy spectrum. My ex was a "mild" N, compared to some stories I read, but it was enough to be unbearable. That's my tangent for the day. :P Does anyone know if he was on meds? Regarding the slew of public shootings we've had in the past couple of decades, I remember reading something about being on anti-depressants as a common thread among the killers. I don't know if this is true, though. It is true that one possible side effect of certain anti-depressants is INCREASED aggression, go figure. It'd be fascinating to find a birth time. If it were Neptune on the ascendent, it would explain the way he was able to deceive everyone around him into thinking he was normal and fine, though he really wasn't. Plus a very dramatic flair and effective acting abilities. Such a sad, sad situation. We as a society MUST find what is causing these incidents and unite to make sure it doesn't happen again! I have my theories... ------------------ I can help you figure out your dreams, and guide you in how to use them to transform your life. www.sleepingrealities.com Follow me on Facebook! facebook.com/sleepingrealities Follow my blog! http://sleepingrealities.blogspot.com IP: Logged |
Linda Jones Knowflake Posts: 1125 From: Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 22, 2012 01:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: pMoon in Leo is all about fame, or notoriety. If you thought Scorpio was vengeful, try ignoring outraged Leo energy.I noticed he was born at the last quarter. To me this says he's meant to be a late bloomer. I also noticed he came off a pFull Moon about a year ago. That must've been a major life event. It is said at this point the sum total of your life, thus far, is laid bare. If you worked hard you're rewarded. If you slacked off you're punished. With Saturn conj Sun & sq Moon, he's always expected to travel the rough path with hardly any letup. Saturn rewards effort, but for some I guess cracking under pressure is inevitable. I would speculate he must've been expecting some kind of reward or promotion, and it didn't come at the pFull Moon. This I'm sure demoralized him, as he felt all he'd worked for and sacrificed came to naught. Might've also felt banished, ostracized and/or cast off. With pMoon in Leo he hungered for a moment in the Sun. So, if he couldn't be a life saver, he would be a life taker.
Nine, you may be definitely onto something here. Because it's being reported that he dropped out of his Neuroscience Ph.D. program about a year ago, I'm assuming due to not being able to maintain academic standards (perhaps even failing classes--although I didn't hear this myself). So your astro reading about the Pr. Moon sounds right on the money! IP: Logged |
Vesta-Hephaestus Newflake Posts: 2 From: Melbourne Australia Registered: Jul 2012
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posted July 22, 2012 01:51 AM
This has been building since before May I reckon. If the birth data is correct, take a look at his full 12th house; Pluto has been touching all those planets over time during his transit. Whilst Mars has squared his Asc, the transiting Uranus & Pluto have triggered his natal Asc & Neptune. Also, Cosmobiologically, see how transiting Neptune is forming a midpoint tree involving Mars/Saturn (death axis), Saturn/ Pluto (destruction-self & others), Uranus/Pluto (acts of violence, guns).
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Lonake Moderator Posts: 8398 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2012 02:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by IndigoDirae: Perhaps a birthtime?
In the future probably. Astrodatabank is pretty good on getting data for these...people. Here's a write-up that talks about BML in his chart, A Black Moon Makes For a Dark Night in Colorado
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Lonake Moderator Posts: 8398 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2012 02:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: I would speculate he must've been expecting some kind of reward or promotion, and it didn't come at the pFull Moon. This I'm sure demoralized him, as he felt all he'd worked for and sacrificed came to naught.
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friture Knowflake Posts: 108 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted July 22, 2012 02:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: pMoon in Leo is all about fame, or notoriety. If you thought Scorpio was vengeful, try ignoring outraged Leo energy.I noticed he was born at the last quarter. To me this says he's meant to be a late bloomer. I also noticed he came off a pFull Moon about a year ago. That must've been a major life event. It is said at this point the sum total of your life, thus far, is laid bare. If you worked hard you're rewarded. If you slacked off you're punished. With Saturn conj Sun & sq Moon, he's always expected to travel the rough path with hardly any letup. Saturn rewards effort, but for some I guess cracking under pressure is inevitable. I would speculate he must've been expecting some kind of reward or promotion, and it didn't come at the pFull Moon. This I'm sure demoralized him, as he felt all he'd worked for and sacrificed came to naught. Might've also felt banished, ostracized and/or cast off. With pMoon in Leo he hungered for a moment in the Sun. So, if he couldn't be a life saver, he would be a life taker.
WOW! Thanks for sharing this. pFull Moon in Leo. That explains a lot about something else I was wondering. Back to topic, I know a girl who shares his birthday, albeit well, different time/location. I'm not excusing his behavior, or discounting those victims' death, but I somehow feel sorry for this guy? That he could have CHOSEN the right path. IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 8398 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2012 03:04 AM
Men account for 95% of mass murderers in this country. So the fact that she's female discounts her pretty much from performing this type of public act. If I'm not mistaken when women mass murder it's usually their family, like Andrea Yates. As for the rest it'd be nice to have a real chart. Maybe to compare it to your friend's for interest.IP: Logged |
friture Knowflake Posts: 108 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted July 22, 2012 03:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: Men account for 95% of mass murderers in this country. So the fact that she's female discounts her pretty much from performing this type of public act. If I'm not mistaken when women mass murder it's usually their family, like Andrea Yates. As for the rest it'd be nice to have a real chart. Maybe to compare it to your friend's for interest.
Yes, I do have my friend's birthtime/location. But I don't know any of her dark thoughts, if she has any. She's a Scorpio ascendant. I just somehow felt that if, IF he could hold back those thoughts, just for a while... maybe when the transit is over, things will be better? But my opinions can't turn back time and change things.
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Planet Queen Knowflake Posts: 301 From: Portlandia Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 22, 2012 03:17 AM
This event triggered something that as culture we are in denial - Gun Control! Not only that, this man represents the complete disconnect one can have with humanity to the point that people become puppets in his scheme. Its disturbing and I only heard about this event through word of mouth - I refuse to watch the news or any media that distorts the truth. Sure we can analyze his chart. But honestly we have no correct birth time, so there is no point. IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 1516 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 22, 2012 03:24 AM
Dunno what astrology says but you have no idea how I felt the first time I laid my eyes on the photo of this guy. He is FULL of negative vibe. He is purely evil. Also he got very serious mental problems and that is not due his reserved or introverted way of being. Something happen to him that marked him forever. His soul seeks revenge. He is worse than Breivik.IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 8398 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 22, 2012 03:35 AM
The military grade weaponry isn't needed by any civilian in this country. It's just OTT. I heard it mentioned he bought a rifle from Wal Mart? Like nothing? Maybe speculation, but that's not kosher. Americans who want to be packing heat need nothing more than a handgun. If we can get everything else out that'd be a God send, but something tells me it's not happening any time soon. And seriously WTF re:the rigged apt. Looks like he was showing off his smarts.IP: Logged |
awakemer Knowflake Posts: 396 From: sherman oaks, ca,USA Registered: Aug 2011
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posted July 22, 2012 03:50 AM
my friend has his birthday too. not the same year though. but she has a very dark side. when she was drunk she joked about wanting to be a man serial killer. IP: Logged |
Planet Queen Knowflake Posts: 301 From: Portlandia Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 22, 2012 04:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Lonake: The military grade weaponry isn't needed by any civilian in this country. It's just OTT. I heard it mentioned he bought a rifle from Wal Mart? Like nothing? Maybe speculation, but that's not kosher. Americans who want to be packing heat need nothing more than a handgun. If we can get everything else out that'd be a God send, but something tells me it's not happening any time soon. And seriously WTF re:the rigged apt. Looks like he was showing off his smarts.
I know! Why don't we learn real self-defense tactics instead of relying on lethal weapons for protection. And that statement just re affirms why I think Wal-Mart is terrible and should be avoided at all costs. IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero Moderator Posts: 3464 From: Storybrooke, Mr. Gold's Shop Registered: Sep 2011
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posted July 22, 2012 04:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Planet Queen: This event triggered something that as culture we are in denial - Gun Control!
AMEN. The gun nuts are saying that someone else with a gun could have shot him, but honestly, in the dark, all of the crossfire? Really? @_@ People need to accept that the 2nd amendment (for those outside the US, this is the amendment to the US constitution that allows guns) is outdated. It's not the 1780s and 1790s anymore. The whole purpose of the right to bear arms was to protect people from armed British militias that would just come into people's homes. It is no longer needed. Other than the police and other federal people whose job it is to protect others, nobody else needs to have them. It's also much too easy for people to get guns, especially mentally unstable and unhealthy people. Virginia Tech, anyone? Columbine? And now this? Whatever background checks they supposedly do, it's not working. They do not stop monsters from getting guns. IP: Logged |
Lotis White Knowflake Posts: 491 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted July 22, 2012 08:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: Dunno what astrology says but you have no idea how I felt the first time I laid my eyes on the photo of this guy. He is FULL of negative vibe. He is purely evil. Also he got very serious mental problems and that is not due his reserved or introverted way of being. Something happen to him that marked him forever. His soul seeks revenge. He is worse than Breivik.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with being reserved. Most quiet folks are actually very stable, prefer to keep out of trouble, and are the last people who’d ever do something like this. Usually, it’s the manic ‘over the top‘, confrontational, risk taking types that make people nervous. So when a supposedly ’nice’ quiet person goes off the deep end, it’s somehow more creepy because you wouldn’t expect it. In James Holmes’ case he has Saturn conjoining his Sag Sun, and squaring his Virgo Moon. My suspicion is that he may have felt he couldn’t let his inner Sagittarian side out, and was frustrated with himself. Not all reserved types have such configurations in their chart though, and are probably quite content just to be the way that they are… As they should be. All the different personalities in the world are what make it interesting.
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