posted July 22, 2012 11:47 PM            

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mercurian, we posted at the same time. I also liked your comment and while we will never know what went into all of this, I always think much stems from the parents and upbringing.

Doesnt matter if he had a "good one" (life and upbringing). It could have still been a "cold one" or a "effed up one". Even moreso, than coming from a poor family. Everyone has thier dysfunctions and sometimes it's the rich kids that have to deal with more of that.

Still think he should have killed himself.

Shows that's he's probably got major narcacisstic issues and a huge ego....among other problems.

Why didnt he off himself?

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For me, I think he should have been honest with himself, admitted he had failed in his pursuit of a Masters and found whatever it is he may have been good at in reality.

Offing himself would have stopped the whole thing, imo it would not have dealt with the problem of those who think they "deserve" something and are willing to take it out on innocent people when it doesn't happen.

posted July 23, 2012 12:01 AM            

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For me, I think he should have been honest with himself, admitted he had failed in his pursuit of a Masters and found whatever it is he may have been good at in reality.

Offing himself would have stopped the whole thing, imo it would not have dealt with the problem of those who think they "deserve" something and are willing to take it out on innocent people when it doesn't happen.

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posted July 23, 2012 10:54 AM            

Im not an expert at astrology by any means, but my vibe is that this is like Neptunian at its dark side, twisted twisted fantasy and separation of morals in a quest to avenge in imaginary wrong and compensate. Id guess this guy was never quite feeling he fit in and harbored sick idealization of violence long before this. Maybe it is mind programming as IQ mentioned , or maybe this guy is just a void soul w no empathy or humanity.

I also agree that we all have free will, and can overcome negative astro aspects, upbringing, biology. I work w families who have taken in abused/neglected children. Yes early environment & upbringing leaves scars, and it isnt easy to overcome. But the beauty of humanity is that amazing miracle, when we do overcome. It is possible and it does happen.

posted July 23, 2012 10:47 PM            

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Obviously he set up his AdultFriendFinder and his Match.com profiles before the murders. You can't do that in jail.

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posted July 23, 2012 11:16 PM            

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When I sail around the world I hope I an buy more than a handgun to protect us from pirates.

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posted July 23, 2012 11:50 PM            

That being said, I think he was just unable to conquer his internal struggles, resulting in this tragedy. People find it difficult, or impossible to truly "understand" the reasoning behind actions such as these. We are all individuals, and everything he did seemed perfectly acceptable to him. There may be a hormonal disbalance, a psychological disassociation, or a combination thereof. It is too easy and irresponsible of us to call him "evil" and be done with it.

posted July 24, 2012 12:05 AM            

He would not have caused as much pain or disturbance to so many others and in the human collective consciousness had he had some compassion and just chosen to end his own pain/life.

Instead he had to multiply it so greatly by taking other lives and leaving all of their loved ones in so much pain.

I do feel sorry for him.

Yes, karma will right things for him, a very poor soul.

If he had chosen to take his own life instead of the route he did choose, do you not think that would have lessened his own karma and he might have been better received in the afterlife? Knowing what his other self made choice was. Deciding between those two choices - his life, or so many others and leaving pepole with so much pain, which one would have been better for his own soul's growth?

He failed.

May he also find the healing he needs someday. He's a long road ahead of him I think.

posted July 24, 2012 12:12 AM            

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I think it's kind of terrible that some folks are wishing he had committed suicide.

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Before this gets out of control and for the record, I dont "wish" he commited suicide. OR "wish ill on him". I think it would have been the more compassionate thing for him to do though. But we are talking about someone who is most likely sociopathic/psycopathic, so they don't think that way - ABOUT OTHERS.

The last person one of those types would kill is themselves.

I still think he should have. Would have been much more respectful.

posted July 24, 2012 12:28 AM            

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We are all individuals, and everything he did seemed perfectly acceptable to him.

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I have a feeling he knew doing what he was planning on doing, was VERY unacceptable.

posted July 24, 2012 01:57 AM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
It was a total set up.. He wasn't the only one in on it.

The government is the devil~ That is all.

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I see people talking about that on FB. I am not that much of a conspiracy person, as things like that are soooo hard to face but Obama and Holder did fast and furious, so why not? I know this is NOT GU. I am just saying that maybe Ems is right.

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posted July 24, 2012 02:57 AM            

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I think it's kind of terrible that some folks are wishing he had committed suicide. That's as good as murder. You should never wish ill will on someone, regardless of the deeds they have done. All of us should strive to overcome our obstacles, and this includes our negative opinions about others. Instead, we should be sincerely hoping he will learn and spiritually grow more aware from this.

That being said, I think he was just unable to conquer his internal struggles, resulting in this tragedy. People find it difficult, or impossible to truly "understand" the reasoning behind actions such as these. We are all individuals, and everything he did seemed perfectly acceptable to him. There may be a hormonal disbalance, a psychological disassociation, or a combination thereof. It is too easy and irresponsible of us to call him "evil" and be done with it.

Karma is a nonhuman force. It will right things for this poor soul in its own way.

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posted July 24, 2012 05:28 AM            

Think about it. How would the police know that he had rigged his apartment with bombs if he hadn't told them and had committed suicide? More people would have died.

I just wish that no one would have done this in the first place.

posted July 24, 2012 06:04 AM            

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Yeah that is very true. I love love psychology.. esp, criminal psychology (that might be my mars square pluto influence) I also have mercury in 8th too.

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I hope it's not too OT for me to point out this book:

Mind Hunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit

(Note, with the author, title, and ISB number, not sure which one, you can get your reference librarian to ILL, that is Inter Library Loan, it for you if your library doesn't already have it...just saying so it's clear I'm not trying to sell something! )

posted July 24, 2012 06:08 AM            

A Psychopath who enjoys the dark act picks one victim at a time and enjoys the suffering of his victim. This shooting is NOT normal even for a psycho.

He went about this horrid act like a Mission in a Virtual Reality Game.

posted July 24, 2012 06:19 AM            

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Yeah and it shows how much social skills he has.. how many women would respond to that? I know after he i "famous" they would visit him but not when he is just an average joe... its really creepy.

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Quite a few actually. Are you familiar with the so-called Night Stalker? His crimes are too hideous to share, but he was a serial killer of mostly women and included things like rape, sodomy, and I think in one case he cut out her eyes to take with him as a souvenir. During the trial he admitted to it all with pride and gave praise to Satan. Several women fell in love with him, sent him letters, and he eventually married one of his female fans (though he stayed in prison). Here, saved from the wiki article:

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By the time of the trial, Ramirez had fans who were writing him letters and paying him visits.[23] Since 1985, freelance magazine editor Doreen Lioy[24] wrote him nearly 75 letters during his incarceration.[25] In 1988 he proposed to her, and on October 3, 1996, they were married in California's San Quentin State Prison.[26] Lioy has stated that she will commit suicide when Ramirez is executed.[27]

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Oooh, more:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/terror_1.html

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The long-haired brunette who longed to be the Night Stalker's bride had first contacted Ramirez after his arrest in 1985 and had written him nearly 75 letters during his incarceration. He finally proposed to her in 1988, but prison rules delayed their wedding. Other women tried to steal him away from her, visiting him in prison and lavished him with all kinds of attention. Doreen often ran into them when she came to for her visits, and at least one woman threatened physical violence if Doreen didn't abandon her claim on the Night Stalker. But Doreen persevered, and in the end she got her man.

She claimed to be a virgin at the time of their wedding, and marrying Ramirez wouldn't change that because conjugal visits are not permitted for death-row inmates. According to Philip Carlo, author of The Night Stalker, Ramirez was drawn to her precisely because she was a virgin. Doreen had been raised a Roman Catholic, but she considered herself an agnostic and could accommodate Ramirez's professed Satanism. When she had purchased their wedding rings, she'd bought a gold band for herself but a platinum band for her husband-to-be. "Satanists don't wear gold," he'd explained to her.

The civil ceremony started at 11:10 a.m. and was performed by Mr. L. Weister, who joined two other inmates to their brides that morning. Ramirez's sister Ruth, his brother Joseph, and Joseph's teenage daughter attended. Ramirez cautioned his niece to pull down her skirt; he knew other inmates were ogling her. As the couple said their vows, Doreen was bursting with joy and happiness. Her long-awaited dream was finally coming true. She was becoming Mrs. Richard Ramirez.

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So maybe he's about to have more friends and romantic interests than ever before, too...

posted July 24, 2012 08:16 AM            

If all he wanted was attention or he wanted to vent against successful people, why did he not attack Wall Street or a JP Morgan office? These mysterious killing sprees never occur in big banks or big corporate offices. A motivated vigilante with depression because of the high and the mighty would want to take out high profile fat cats or lawyers or politicians. Not children and common folk. ( I recall an incident where an armed vigilante tried to attack the Bohemian Grove !)

Every anomaly is pointing to MK-Ultra.

Purpose 1 is obviously Gun Control and repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

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