posted July 25, 2012 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Babysmackle:
Actually, people with narcissistic personality disorders tend to have facebook, upload large numbers of photos that have been meticulously selected...and go out seeking attention in some way or another. James Holmes doesn't exhibit any narcissistic personality disorder at all, he has no facebook, little friends to speak of. I think he is insane, literally cannot differentiate reality from fantasy, or simply cracked from years of emotional repression or emotional abuse.

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Apparently he had profiles on sites like Match and Adult Friend Finder (possibly):
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/colorado-shooting-suspects-ties-to-sex-website-matchcom-examined.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanow blog+(L.A.+Now)

All in all he sounds like the classic intelligent young guy who was not happy with his life imo.

posted July 25, 2012 07:45 PM            

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I agree that there is nothing wrong with being reserved. Most quiet folks are actually very stable, prefer to keep out of trouble, and are the last people who’d ever do something like this. Usually, it’s the manic ‘over the top‘, confrontational, risk taking types that make people nervous. So when a supposedly ’nice’ quiet person goes off the deep end, it’s somehow more creepy because you wouldn’t expect it.

In James Holmes’ case he has Saturn conjoining his Sag Sun, and squaring his Virgo Moon. My suspicion is that he may have felt he couldn’t let his inner Sagittarian side out, and was frustrated with himself. Not all reserved types have such configurations in their chart though, and are probably quite content just to be the way that they are… As they should be. All the different personalities in the world are what make it interesting.

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Just to chime here on Sun-Saturn: my husband is a Sun-Saturn in Gemini. I DO believe that without a proper outlet for expression with these tough conjunctions, (I'm a Sun-Pluto myself) it will drive you to depression, and some form of violence.

He used to work in a DOJ crime lab (coincidentally, very near to UC Riverside) but hated the work, and was mostly miserable up to his late 30s, in which he's now been a professional poker player for the past few years.

Saturn, of course, rules his 5H - and his chart ruler is the Sun. To further complete the picture, his Merc-Venus is in Cancer in the 11H.

Without following his calling, (NNode IS in the 5H, too) he grew more miserable and frustrated, but also unwilling to abandon the traditional framework of 'a real job'. While I can certainly only speculate, I DO know the impact this has on a person across a long enough timeline. That, and graduate school tends to drive a person insane.

Just as 'lab rat' doesn't really fit a Gemini-Sagittarian with Leo rising, (but, boy, 'professional poker player' sure does), I can't help but find Holmes' professional goals to be similarly mismatched.

One could argue that Virgo Moon easily suited him to the work - but so long as he had some complex, intricate puzzle to solve. BUT ... square Uranus in such a tight configuration with a restricted Sun? He'd snap. Period.

The Joker is a disturbingly befitting archetype for him; I can see why he so easily relates.

He obviously wanted to channel that Mars-Pluto (in Scorpio, no less) into medical miracles - as there's no question he has a brilliant, though disorganised, (with that lunar square) mind. It's tragic. From what I see, this man had the same potential for groundbreaking stem-cell research as he did shooting out a theatre and outfitting his apartment. But Sun-Melpomene DOES require careful handling, (as Blind writer will tell you, aptly) and Mars-Pluto conjunctions are very high-rating on the AVORA-Q, period. Perhaps the square from the Moon was too much to handle - especially with a close conjunction to Mercury. It just emphasises and repeated the same instability and neurosis.

The more I look at it, this is an astonishingly perfect chart for the Joker. God, that's just eerie. Even if I would've initially gone with a Gemini Sun. I see how Sag fits just as well - if not better. Add to that a heavily afflicted Jupiter - in Aries, no less - and, ladies and gentlemen - may I present to you, the terror of Gotham city.

Scary.

posted July 25, 2012 08:11 PM            

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MK ULTRA.
Yet another "sleeper" got triggered to act.
Top Neuroscientist yet peformed the heinous crime like an elite mercenary, isolated, born on a 13th, clear dissociation in the eyes.
Refuses to be interrogated.

HE WAS PROGRAMMED TO KILL. No intelligent man will like to kill children unless he is mind controlled. If he was not programmed, he would have used his smarts and negative mindset to hack into banks or deal in expensive drugs to make money.

Anywhere from 100,000 to 250,000 such boys exist. as per testimony of ex-Illuminist SVALI. Timothy Mcveigh, Oswald, Ruby, Sirhan, Chapman, Brievik, the Columbine kids.... just little tips of the iceberg.

The astrology in Holmes case is ideal: Pluto conjunct Mars, Sun conjunct Saturn and retrograde Jupiter square Venus to prevent unconditional love from being felt as a means of growth.

Asteroid Aspects include [1 degree orb]
1. Nessus square Mercury
2. Nemesis square Lucifer
3. SIVA oppose HEKATE
4. KAALI square RUDRA
5. Uranus oppose Chiron exact, with Uranus conjunct G.C.

Dark Soul programmed to become even more dark....

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Sigh. There goes my fiction coming to life again. Kinda which it'd stop that. Even before it airs, it's happening.

Circumstances led to my undergoing more sleep-deprivation than usual. During one of the short bursts of REM (which truly felt more like a trance-state, which may've been unconsciously triggered during the sleep-dep episode) I saw him in full Joker garb. I'd already had a peculiar dream about a year ago to the day in which explosives had been set about the city and I was terrified, trying to locate my loved ones and ensure they were to safety.

Looking upon him like that, however, I wasn't sure what I felt. I wanted to feel pity, but it was fury mixed with awe. The sheer audacity. He was standing on a set, in a room similar to one of those used in 'The Dark Knight'. Everything about his person was immaculate.

I shook my head and couldn't speak for several seconds. Then, I just looked right at him, and he interrupted me. 'I know what you're thinking.' (This is even before I knew of his Sag Mercury. Lots of personal experience with that placement.) Since it was a game to him, and my training had certainly prepared me for this scenario, I switched my weight and slackened my shoulders. It was obvious rhetoric. He continued. 'You're thinking: is it over? Is it over now? Has it stopped? Can I breathe again?'

Then there was such a dead, heavy silence. All I could hear was myself breathing.

I snarked. 'You know everything.' Play to the narcissism, I thought. Just like Bundy. Play it like Bundy; throw in a few curves, like you might with a Lecter. You're dealing with an egoist - a brilliant strategist. A bizarre brainiac who feels jilted by society at large. Who sees himself as the saviour of the self-oppressed. The hero. Let him think you believe it.

He smiled. My blood burnt in my veins. The hatred it incited bordered on physically painful. 'So do you.'

This is why you're still alive, I reminded myself. Worthy opponents get to live - until they're deemed no longer worthy.

'So say it. Tell me. I want to hear you say it.'

I wanted to sigh. I wanted to close my eyes - they ached, as I refused to blink even for a moment. I wanted to disappear; I did know. We all knew. We just didn't want to say it.

'It's just beginning.'
'Because?'
'It's not just you.'

Ding-ding-ding. Right answer, with incalculable shades of wrong. He saw himself as an activist. A martyr. The start of a movement. Big, big changes.

Well, he wasn't the first homicidal personality to try and ensnare me in his murderous mindgames. By this point, I was practised. And, in a strange moment which was so potent it threatened to take me back into the waking life, I found myself asking: whoever fights monsters? As if I were speaking to myself in code - just in case he was somehow listening (an equally bizarre thought).

As I woke, though, I knew the answer. 'With monsters'.

This movement may be different. It may usher in entirely new notions of how to handle homicidality. It actually incited me to contact the one who had been my foray into my once career choice - only to switch gears following years of extensive training. The one whose Pluto is exactly on my Sun. My first monster. The one who got into my head - who, to this day, I've yet to fully get out.

Whoever fights monsters - with monsters? Apparently, me.

posted July 25, 2012 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
What makes you so sure without a doubt that the conspiracy isn't true? Did you study both point of views meticulously before you came to that conclusion. Keep an open mind.

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Probably because the whole thing can be explained with mental illness. If the facts aren't consistent, *then* you look for other explanations. But that isn't the case here. The shooting happened only a few days ago, and yet with so little information, you are already sure, based on your intuition and IQ's pet theory, that the simplest conclusion isn't the most likely one?

posted July 25, 2012 09:47 PM            

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Probably because the whole thing can be explained with mental illness. If the facts aren't consistent, *then* you look for other explanations. But that isn't the case here. The shooting happened only a few days ago, and yet with so little information, you are already sure, based on your intuition and IQ's pet theory, that the simplest conclusion isn't the most likely one?

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posted July 25, 2012 09:59 PM            

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Probably because the whole thing can be explained with mental illness. If the facts aren't consistent, *then* you look for other explanations. But that isn't the case here. The shooting happened only a few days ago, and yet with so little information, you are already sure, based on your intuition and IQ's pet theory, that the simplest conclusion isn't the most likely one?

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page one, normally, I'm with you. Occam's Razor, all the way. Trouble is, after so many years being an investigator in both the traditional (forensic psychology, trained with the FBI) and paranoia-driven, conspiracy-mongering (certified field investigator with MUFON since '99) and learning some staggering information along the way, I've got to say I've become tremendously open-minded. And I absolutely begun this journey as a full-on debunker (in 1993, coinciding with some major life-changing familial trauma.)

While I'm going to be respectful and decline to cite any sources here, I will say that I have it on good authority that Occam's going to fail us here - and I don't like that ANY more than you do.

These things do continue, whether we like it or not. I, and writers, creative professionals like me, hope to continue finding clever, surreptitious ways of bringing awareness to such programmes. They'll ruin your life - and those of your loved ones. And, undoubtedly, end in tragedy. I know this for a fact.

I can't say that's what's happened here, but should it prove the case, I hope it might be enough to get the rumblings going of a total shutdown - quixotic though it may be.

I rewatched (most of) the entire X-Files series this past wintre, having discovered it on Hulu. As I watched it when it first aired, I was the debunker I used to be, siding with Scully all the way, outright furious at how often it turned out to be something inexplicable, putting Mulder in the right. (Ironic, considering it's his chart - and Carter's - which is most similar to my own.) How dare they discount the value of science! That was '93 / '94. A lot happened to bring me to where I was in '99, and even more so in '08, when I was recruited onto the Stephenville / Dublin investigation; in that decade, I'd become the 'go-to' sceptic for MUFON.

I received news, personally, regarding my own family's history last Christmas. Certainly put a new spin on the holidays. I also rewatched a lot of the first season of 'Alias' a month ago; took me a second to realise how unusual it is to think, 'Hate it when that happens,' regarding so many bizarre, unusual, conspiratorial family secrets. But the Bristows have nothing on us.

Needless to say, the rewatching of X-Files was a sort of culmination for me. A full-circle coming. I was a very different - and quite naive - individual when first exposed to its stories and scenarios, clearly 'fictitious' as they are. What I would learn, experience, and discover myself in the years following made it so that this second time around had me, begrudgingly - very begrudgingly, siding with Mulder. Sorry, Scully - it's aliens. Even if my own experience has led me to disagree on that particular point - still. (Yes, yes, despite the 'evidence'. Hey, old habits die hard.)

But the conspiracy angle ... the world-government movements, the 'Illuminati'-type organisations, 'the Syndicate', MK, Philly, Montauk ... these days, all I can do is shake my head, softly sigh, and think, 'one day, Gadget. One day.'

As a writer, I hope to expose as much as I can - but it's a tricky, and very dangerous game. Wouldn't be the first time I was 'politely asked' to cease-and-desist (and via channels arguably no way legal.)

So, when my parents said with surprising certainty, 'this is a black op,' regarding the tragic events in Aurora, reportedly committed by Holmes, I at first blinked, and then considered the possibility that they just may be right - no matter how my rational mind reeled. They'd know - and experience has proven to me that disregarding the potential of it being so is not only biased investigation, but contrary to my own hard lessons.

And, to that end, I fear my dream horribly prescient. That this really is just beginning. The nightmares of my own fiction leaping from the page as they've done so many times before. Rather than simply told, 'Oh, actually, that's really happening,' seeing it unfold before me, helpless to do a damned thing except join the select masses in the fight for awareness.

But in the end, no matter how you slice it - psychopath or sleeper operative, or some combination of the two, exploited by our own government - it's just tragic.

Maybe I'm likening him too much to my own controversial villain in the first novel of my latest septology. Horrendous as it was, my readers still had as much difficulty deciding who the real villain was; him, or the US intelligence community. If a mass murderer is made, are they still a monster, or do they become a victim? Perhaps, both?

The novel leaves the decision up to the reader - because I honestly don't know, nor do I consider myself 'qualified' to decide for another person - despite my experience and training.

So, here, I feel much the same dissonance and discontent. I never know exactly how to categorise my manipulated monsters. Same goes for Holmes.

Nevermind the tremendous irony of the surname itself. I keep waiting for a Detective Moriarty to emerge in the mix. At this point, there's this surreality in which anything seems possible.

As the Moodies said in '99, 'As we arrive at the house of a water sign, we're living in strange times.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAjxYpDj6Fs

Strange times, strange times ....

posted July 25, 2012 10:27 PM            

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If he is indeed a psycopath then he views all people as mere objects that means he sees us as we see ants.. now if someone told you that you shouldn't kill ants and its "wrong" to do so... you would still do it because you feel nothing for the ant as its just a small object that doesn't look have feelings or empathy. A person who feels nothing will not know what it feels like to have real empathy. that is exactly the case with serial killers and mass murderers.. they don't care they see as very small and insignificant.. they cannot feel any empathy or compassion.. knowing this I FEEL very sorry for anybody like this.. because its pathological. to not be able to relate to a human being in any way is very very sad.

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This is really, REALLY overgeneralising. Let me throw out some facts.

1) All homicidal personalities are not NPD; to that end, all those exhibiting NPD are not homicidal. It's a VERY small per centage that become violent offenders. Most are used car salesmen or lawyers. (No, really.)

2) There is no clinical diagnosis stating that Holmes is a psychopath, or even suffering from APD.

3) Not all serial killers (multiple murderers, spree killers, etc.) exhibit NPD. Some are APD. It's still a very small population which continues to yield confounded data for many reasons.

4) I can attest to many people, including myself, who don't kill ants because they're living creatures. Perhaps you intended to say that to someone who is a clinical psychopath, with the inability to experience empathy, all individuals outside of him or herself are perceived as small and insignificant - like ants? And that abstract concepts largely governed by emotion - like 'right' or 'wrong' and 'good' or 'evil' are often disregarded by one who cannot experience empathy because of it?

If so, I'd have to say that yes, I agree with you. But then I wrote a psychological profile for Bundy which argued against the NPD label, attributing intense inferiority to being the force behind his actions. It was highly controversial at the time - even if it's come to be accepted as the proper diagnosis, since 2006.

So, when you start throwing around 'narcissist' or 'psychopath', it's good to really have an understanding of what you're talking about. While plenty of overlap, there's a greater likelihood for confusion which leads to misunderstanding, misattribution, and mislabeling.

I'm undecided on Holmes - at present. I fear exploitation to be the most likely culprit, which forces a serious re-evaluation of all previous hypotheses, derived from 'conventional' wisdom.

This is an outlier case. Everything about it screams it. We're going to be barking up the wrong tree if we try to apply the usual logic. (And, no, I'm not just being Uranian.)

posted July 25, 2012 11:13 PM            

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To me this is just another event to get Americans to wake up and demand common sense prevention.

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posted July 26, 2012 12:19 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
I don't even think he committed the crime.. really i dont' feel it in my gut that he did . I feel he is a victim too but I do feel for the victims and the family.

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Honestly, I can't shake the same feeling myself. As troublesome and absolutely chilling as that is.

Actually, he DOES seem like he could be a Cap rising. I've known several. They're surprisingly chameleonic; it might be the 'amphibiousness' of the sign. Saturn could certainly rule the chart - especially with all of its conflicts.

If you stand in the way of their ambition, or, worse, they do - there can be a kind of hell to pay, whether it's an outward expression, an inward implosion, or a sort of sacrificial endeavour. That much I know.

It's all so damned tragic. And, worse than that - karmic.

posted July 26, 2012 12:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Ha! Indigo! Love reading your posts. You write like a ... well, like a writer

But it's true that sometimes truth is stranger than fiction!

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-laugh- Thanks, Linda. The older I get, the more I try and remind myself that fiction is my game now, and I don't need to communicate in dissertation / APA-style.

Speaking of ... there's SO much about all of this that just sits ... SO deeply -not right- with me.

NONE of the facts are consistent. Everything goes from being completely textbook in one direction to the EXACT opposite. Talk about Uranian!

Much as I hate to say it, knowing what I do, or have slowly (difficultly!) come to accept, it too clearly indicates to me that it's happening again. I don't even want to consider it, and yet, THAT's coming through loud and clearly.

Worse than that, I can't shake this broken record somewhere in the back of my brain going: '1987? That's another generation. Why is there another generation? Oh, no ... that's what I was afraid of. It was supposed to be over. This CAN'T be HAPPENING. And NOW?'

Of course, I have NO idea where that's even coming from, so I have to file it under 'The First Twelve Years of My Life Which I Don't Remember' and go find something happy to do.

posted July 26, 2012 01:02 AM            

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This is really, REALLY overgeneralising. Let me throw out some facts.

1) All homicidal personalities are not NPD; to that end, all those exhibiting NPD are not homicidal. It's a VERY small per centage that become violent offenders. Most are used car salesmen or lawyers. (No, really.)

2) There is no clinical diagnosis stating that Holmes is a psychopath, or even suffering from APD.

3) Not all serial killers (multiple murderers, spree killers, etc.) exhibit NPD. Some are APD. It's still a very small population which continues to yield confounded data for many reasons.

4) I can attest to many people, including myself, who don't kill ants because they're living creatures. Perhaps you intended to say that to someone who is a clinical psychopath, with the inability to experience empathy, all individuals outside of him or herself are perceived as small and insignificant - like ants? And that abstract concepts largely governed by emotion - like 'right' or 'wrong' and 'good' or 'evil' are often disregarded by one who cannot experience empathy because of it?

If so, I'd have to say that yes, I agree with you. But then I wrote a psychological profile for Bundy which argued against the NPD label, attributing intense inferiority to being the force behind his actions. It was highly controversial at the time - even if it's come to be accepted as the proper diagnosis, since 2006.

So, when you start throwing around 'narcissist' or 'psychopath', it's good to really have an understanding of what you're talking about. While plenty of overlap, there's a greater likelihood for confusion which leads to misunderstanding, misattribution, and mislabeling.

I'm undecided on Holmes - at present. I fear exploitation to be the most likely culprit, which forces a serious re-evaluation of all previous hypotheses, derived from 'conventional' wisdom.

This is an outlier case. Everything about it screams it. We're going to be barking up the wrong tree if we try to apply the usual logic. (And, no, I'm not just being Uranian.)

-A.

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I never said he was a psychopath(i was more presuming what if).. I was just explaining how they (psycopaths) feel... Because people on the forum were judging him and its like judging a really mentally disabled person for being stupid.. they are just are what they are.. you didn't understand that from my post? i am not diagnosing anybody. im not that fooolish, thank you.

posted July 26, 2012 01:11 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
I never said he was a psychopath(i was more presuming what if).. I was just explaining how they (psycopaths) feel... Because people on the forum were judging him and its like judging a really mentally disabled person for being stupid.. they are just are what they are.. you didn't understand that from my post? i am not diagnosing anybody. im not that fooolish, thank you.

by the way, Erik harris, one of the shooters of the columbine massacre's is presumably a psychopath so its not far out for me to "presume" he might be psychopath too but with the evidence i'm seeing and what i'm feeling i don't think he is.

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Oh, good. No, I actually didn't glean that. Might just be the language used. It didn't seem clear to me.

Regarding Harris, there's a beautifully done profile here from a collegian several years back. Excellent work:
http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/criminal-profiling/Columbine_Eric-Harris-profile.html

I would then agree, given what's currently known, that there's too little information consistent with anything, at present. Which is actually (to me, at least) what makes this particular case so interesting - and unusual.

posted July 26, 2012 03:19 AM            

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Oh, good. No, I actually didn't glean that. Might just be the language used. It didn't seem clear to me.

Regarding Harris, there's a beautifully done profile here from a collegian several years back. Excellent work:
http://www1.csbsju.edu/uspp/criminal-profiling/Columbine_Eric-Harris-profile.html

I would then agree, given what's currently known, that there's too little information consistent with anything, at present. Which is actually (to me, at least) what makes this particular case so interesting - and unusual.

-A.

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Yeah i was thinking when i read that.. that you misunderstood and was also thinking its mercury RX so understandable..

posted July 26, 2012 04:31 AM            

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Yeah i was thinking when i read that.. that you misunderstood and was also thinking its mercury RX so understandable..

I read that article while researching the columbine massacre and found that very interesting. I found the article on Dylan very interesting too. Are you a psychologist? I am really into criminal psychology and research a lot.

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I trained in criminology with the FBI. Before moving to Los Angeles, I had been accepted into the FBI following the hiring freeze. I have my reasons as to why I didn't go, but I certainly do continue to research, explore, and learn.

I was also a sex therapist for the past 3 years, focussing on alternative lifestyles.

posted July 26, 2012 04:48 AM            

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It amazes me that in a golden age of verifiable conspiracies, people still have the need to make up some really crazy ones whole cloth. When yet another killing spree goes down, which now is happening at at least once a year, it doesn't point to an epidemic of untreated mental illness or the need for gun control. In its place we get ornate theories about how it's really due to a vast government conspiracy to control our minds and take our guns away. That's some incredible spin, people. The NRA (not to mention the gun industry) must really be getting their money's worth.

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posted July 26, 2012 07:30 AM            

I used to be annoyed with Conspiracy Theories too, until I did the step by step factual study. From the creation of LSD to Puharich's work with the "Nine", the murder of FOrrestal and Olson, the declassified MK-Ultra documents, the documented fact of the destruction of MK-Ultra papers in 1973, the confessions of CIA assassin Chuck Barris and the spate of "mentally ill" shootings. Mentally incompetent and depressed people cannot plan like a millionaire hitman and cannot suppress every iota of emotion.

AURORA is the Sleeping Beauty, very much adapted in a Disney Film [The main triggers for Monarch Slaves are from Disney Films, probably for their high probability of access]. The Aurora incident is challenging those in denial to WAKE UP. At least now. Or sleep forever, thinking your government is angelic, will never think of harming any citizen, will never indulge in any cloak and dagger stuff. A Lone Gun Man was always enough to kill JFK, its normal for kids to shoot innocent people after being trained like professionals. Quite normal to be 'spaced out' and dissociated. Oh, very normal for the government to admit to MK-Ultra and then deny any sleeper exists, very very normal to drink copious fluoride with water, Thalidomide was always safe, Aspartame is better than sliced bread,
The Nazis never did any experiments on humans, No Nazi ever came to America in 1949, there was no Montauk, no Roswell, no Phoenix Lights, there are no UFOs and no aliens [unless Beloved Leader of the State says it in a Press Conference] and every government law is perfect....

Snore....Snore...Snore... ZZZZZZZ.....

posted July 26, 2012 12:46 PM            

Chuck Barris is trump card in my research. Just imagine, Sam Rockwell spent more than 2 months closely interacting with him so that he could do a good job in the movie. Are we to believe that a man as intelligent as Sam Rockwell would not have discovered holes in Chuck Barris' credibility in over two months of interaction? Barris swears by his book.

And the movie explained many MK-Ultra
concepts from twinning, genetic of psychopaths, strategic handlers etc.

MK-Ultra is the only conspiracy topic that has had admission by CIA leaders and more than 80 institutions [including 44 Universities]. 20,000 documents have been saved from destruction [the majority of documents were destroyed by CIA chief in 1973], and I do not know how infuriating it is when someone disbelieves a documented conspiracy against the citizens of the world [primarily, Americans and Canadians.]

Dr Sidney Gottlieb, a hero of modern psychiatrists, took active part in this evil op, handling the LSD operations.

Protestors like Olson were killed.

6% of the official budget of CIA was for Mind Control.

Look at the uncontested Wikipedia Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

For every one point exposed, ten additional secrets have been covered up. Only contacting the real victims helped open my eyes. Author Carissa Conti registered here, look at her work too. Let anyone read her book and then tell themselves that she is lying about Mind Control. I dare any skeptic to say that MK-Ultra is a fabrication.

There are even woman whose eggs were stolen in labs, and children were artificially created, so that the Mind Control effect on next generations could be tracked.

Look at Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Natalie Portman, Nicole Kidman and Britney Spears, classical Monarch Slaves of this MK-Ultra Project. They bring out their programming in movies like "Black Swan" and "Eyes Wide Shut" so that anonymous sleepers can be triggered, to stay in line.

James Holmes is adopted, meaning his parents could have been first generation programmed slaves.

He had the right astrological energy for triggering, the right DNA and the right time of depression to allow his Mind to be fully controlled. The Astral "Program" would have spread to many sleepers in that area, James responded. They would have constructed a reason for killing in his brain [As shown in the movie "Inception". While pulling the trigger, he would have been in virtual reality Alter State, and still is which is why he cannot focus and say anything during trial. His Soul is locked out of the Conscious State. If he gets a gun in his hand, he will again start shooting. ]

The result is a dozen innocents sacrificed in a dark ritual during a "Dark Knight" movie in a place conveniently named Aurora.

There can be no psychological anomaly nor motivation to justify his behavior.

posted July 26, 2012 02:44 PM            

In fact, it's hardly your ego at work here while you're trying to create awareness in others. Why? Because it's almost a self punishment and exhaustive work ... to try and create awareness, or even get others to, at the very least, investigate for themselves with an open mind.

I admit I myself had no knowledge of MK-Ultra until recently when I looked into it myself. And I believe what you're saying for the #1 reason ... that the CIA was forced to admit the existence of this program ... something that it would NEVER do unless totally pushed into a corner.

Hey, everyone! Try and keep an open mind-- and check out the information in these two links--

The Wikipedia link-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

And the Spider Line Forum link to iQ's thread which shows documents of MK-Ultra that were not destroyed because of inadvertent misplacement!!

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000157.html

Remember--

"Cynicism, like gullibility, is a symptom of underdeveloped critical faculties." - Jamie Whyte

posted July 26, 2012 02:56 PM            

"I used to be annoyed with Conspiracy Theories too, until I did the step by step factual study."

How do you do factual study on a widespread secret government plot? Where do you get the documentation from? Oh wait, official gov documents revealing what they won't admit to.

"From the creation of LSD to Puharich's work with the "Nine", the murder of FOrrestal and Olson, the declassified MK-Ultra documents, the documented fact of the destruction of MK-Ultra papers in 1973, the confessions of CIA assassin Chuck Barris"

Chuck Barris? Seriously, Chuck Barris?

"and the spate of "mentally ill" shootings. Mentally incompetent and depressed people cannot plan like a millionaire hitman and cannot suppress every iota of emotion."

Hitmen are millionaires?

Actually mentally-ill people are, you know, DEPRESSED, dealing with the emotions they can't handle by shutting down. They often obsess on one thing: Video games, planned-out shooting sprees, obsession on a famous person, and of course conspiracy theories.

"AURORA is the Sleeping Beauty, very much adapted in a Disney Film [The main triggers for Monarch Slaves are from Disney Films, probably for their high probability of access]."

It's "Aurora", you guys! Disney Films is in on it! You thought they were all about the brutal business of moneymaking blockbusters, but you were wrong. Aurora is not a suburb of Denver, the site of the now-notorious Columbine High School, which was also not about mental illness plus a lot of guns. No, they're sending us a message.

"The Aurora incident is challenging those in denial to WAKE UP."

Is it those behind the conspiracy or those working against the conspiracy that want us to wake up, IQ? Because if it's the former they'd be working against their own interests.

"At least now. Or sleep forever, thinking your government is angelic, will never think of harming any citizen, will never indulge in any cloak and dagger stuff. A Lone Gun Man was always enough to kill JFK, its normal for kids to shoot innocent people after being trained like professionals. Quite normal to be 'spaced out' and dissociated. Oh, very normal for the government to admit to MK-Ultra and then deny any sleeper exists, very very normal to drink copious fluoride with water,"

Somehow I knew you'd be mentioning the infestation of our bodily fluids with fluoridation.

"Thalidomide was always safe, Aspartame is better than sliced bread,"

actually Aspartame was suspected from the beginning to cause cancer, wasn't it?

"The Nazis never did any experiments on humans, No Nazi ever came to America in 1949, there was no Montauk, no Roswell, no Phoenix Lights, there are no UFOs and no aliens [unless Beloved Leader of the State says it in a Press Conference] and every government law is perfect...."

You've done a great job here of throwing together the documented and the undocumented, which makes it a little more difficult to sift through and determine what's what, which makes for very effective propaganda. And in the middle of it all is this weird disconnect in which somehow fear of the few and powerful becomes a call to fear the one thing that could actually fight the powerful, if that's what we really want them to do. Which is it? Who benefits from no gun control? The gun and munitions industry, maybe?

I'll repeat what I said before, because you really haven't tackled the issue: It's a hell of a lot easier devising fantasies than dealing with real connivance in the world, such as terribly complicated explanations about a recent shoot-em-up spree that point to anything (everything?) BUT the lack of accessible affordable healthcare in the US and the wide availability of guns to anyone who wants them in whatever quantity they want them.

"Snore....Snore...Snore... ZZZZZZZ....."

"Snoring" is exactly what this amounts to, an excellent way to occupy the mind and make the hours pass, which beats the hell out of having to actually do something about the world we're all living in.

posted July 26, 2012 03:17 PM            

So, for those who've asked about my background, training, and experience, here's the nutshell.

I began formally studying psychology in HS, and then created a Forensic Psychology programme at my university once I'd declared my major summer of my freshman year. Some were graduate courses, so my BA is actually a strange hodgepodge of a bachelour's and master's. It was in one of those courses that we constructed psychological profiles; mine was on Bundy, and, given circumstances, actually made it to Quantico. My background is a combination of a few minors: Criminology, Law, and Theatre. (I've always volleyed between being a creative and a cop.)

The FBI began recruiting me in my late teens, and I started training through a distance programme with the NCAVC my sophomore year. I got sick my senior year, which turned out to be, or into, or what-have-you, long-story-short - fibromyalgia. It's been a rough, rough road.

My mentor, who had been the hostage negotiator at Waco, and became so disenchanted with the Bureau following that he published all sorts of inflammatory and dangerously, 'we did it wrong' material, continued to work with me up to the point where I had to throw in the towel. I was 22 years old, and completely burnt out.

Graduated with my BA and absolutely no idea what to do with my life, so picked up a 9-5 (more like a '45 hr/week') job and spent all of my free time writing. On an impassioned whim, I applied, officially, to the FBI at age 24, and was quickly accepted into their National Security division as an Intelligence Analyst for Counterterrorism. But, honestly, my heart was still in hunting the homicidal monsters. Still, the hiring freeze was VERY newly lifted, and I would take any avenue I could get. I figured, at some point, I'd be able to consult with the BAU - if I kept on the track I was. My psychological profile of Bundy was already being used in Quantico, and I was neither a criminologist or published.

Appropriately, my new position required Pentagon clearance, and would take 6 years to complete the background check. Doing the math, I'd be 30 before I could even begin doing any REAL work, and be 'desked', as you call it, until that point. While I wasn't even sure if I had the energy and stamina to do any active field work, (and this is as a support professional - an analyst, not a special agent) I wasn't sure I wanted to be stuck at whatever field office I was lucky enough to be assigned to.

So, I stayed put and kept writing. Almost 5 years later, the sudden opportunity to move to LA emerged, and I grabbed it with both hands. I'd nearly gotten my PI license, too, but abandoned an investigative track completely in favour of being a creative professional - which felt like the other side of my calling. It might even keep me saner, too. (Big might.)

And, a handful of other, 'OMG, you're kidding me!' experiences later, here I am. As they say, on the edge of the abyss, and praying to God I don't fall in.

They say profilers are born to some extent, and I do believe that's true. I have to watch myself very closely, because the natural inclination to dive right back in, no matter the case or proximity, is always JUST beneath the surface.

I may've gotten out of 'profiling', but 'profiling' has never gotten out of me. (And by 'profiling', I mean the slang term which has become popular in our culture to describe the psychological analysis of criminological behaviours and violent offender activities - ranging from fantasy to act, victimology and recidivism.)

posted July 26, 2012 08:53 PM            

- tSun conjunct tHypnos
- tMoon was conjunct tSun-Hypnos the day before on 7/19
- tPsyche conjunct nMoon
- nHypnos conjunct nGunlod
- tMars conjunct nAurora and nBomben
- tGunlod and tBML conjunct nPholus [and Algol]
- tSun-Hypnos sextile tGunlod-BML
- nHypnos-Gunlod square nAurora-tMars
- nHypnos-Gunlod opposite nNeptune [thus forming a t-square with nAurora - tMars was a trigger]