posted July 26, 2012 09:10 PM            

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posted July 26, 2012 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What is Hypnos?

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posted July 26, 2012 09:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Apollo-class, near-Earth asteroid 14827 Hypnos, named for the Greek god of sleep. Incidentally, also the root word for hypnosis.

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posted July 26, 2012 09:49 PM            

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posted July 26, 2012 09:57 PM            

I'll give credit to all you 'conspiracy' guys for forcing my mind open...

And yes, Hypnos 26CAN53 was conjunct Sun 27CAN57 that night. That 1*04' orb works.

I did previously notice a couple things that I had not yet been able to put into context. First, the 12th house interception of the event chart with ruler Neptune having made a partile sextile to Asc at time Holes left the theater to don his assault equipment. This fits manipulation from a behind-the-scenes source, particularly government. Also the USA progressions don't tell as clear a story on this as in the previous Trayvon Martin death event.

posted July 26, 2012 11:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
After taking a fresh look at the event chart I am now convinced that it does not match the 'crazed gunman acting out hate/violence.' I start skeptical and common sense, but when you look at Taurus rising and ruler Venus in the 2nd and not making any aspects even remotely suggestive of aggression, then you've got an Asc that is not showing the most important actor, the source of the event.

I'll give credit to all you 'conspiracy' guys for forcing my mind open...

And yes, Hypnos 26CAN53 was conjunct Sun 27CAN57 that night. That 1*04' orb works.

I did previously notice a couple things that I had not yet been able to put into context. First, the 12th house interception of the event chart with ruler Neptune having made a partile sextile to Asc at time Holes left the theater to don his assault equipment. This fits manipulation from a behind-the-scenes source, particularly government. Also the USA progressions don't tell as clear a story on this as in the previous Trayvon Martin death event.

There is definitely more than meets the (public) eye in this Aurora, CO cinema shooting. This is significant enough that I will be doing an in-depth article on this in my blog.

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posted July 27, 2012 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
After taking a fresh look at the event chart I am now convinced that it does not match the 'crazed gunman acting out hate/violence.'

I'll give credit to all you 'conspiracy' guys for forcing my mind open...

And yes, Hypnos 26CAN53 was conjunct Sun 27CAN57 that night. That 1*04' orb works.

I did previously notice a couple things that I had not yet been able to put into context. First, the 12th house interception of the event chart with ruler Neptune having made a partile sextile to Asc at time Holes left the theater to don his assault equipment. This fits manipulation from a behind-the-scenes source, particularly government.

There is definitely more than meets the (public) eye in this Aurora, CO cinema shooting.

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ALLRIGHTY THEN, welcome aboard the majestic Ace Ventura Cruise Liner, Mr. McAfee!!!
I'm Linda. Nice to meet ya!!

I'm sure you'll enjoy the trip!!

*welcome banner*, and

PS: No offense, I'm just being impish here
Seriously, tho, kudos to keeping an open mind!

posted July 27, 2012 04:05 AM            

He had
Moon: 8.14 Cancer conjunct
Hypnos: 9.15 Cancer conjunct
Nessus: 10.44 Cancer
in his birthchart

At the time of his death, his pr Nessus and pr Hypnos were still conjunct each other, but pr Venus had applied to an exact square, and Venus was the ruler of his pr ASC and 6th house.

Anyway, that is how I "met" Hypnos.

posted July 27, 2012 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Are people serious when they're suggesting a government conspiracy behind the shooting?

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posted July 27, 2012 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
No we're joking.

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posted July 27, 2012 05:13 AM            

Imo, it's not even a conspiracy, because if you read the two links in my post above, you'll see that the CIA was forced to admit to surreptitiously running the mind control program (MK-Ultra). They tried destroying the evidence but some 20,000 documents which were inadvertently stored in a different location later resurfaced. That's how the public got wind of the program and the CIA got busted.

So all factual, hardly a theory imo.

posted July 27, 2012 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I was noticing that HYPNOS seemed to play a role, when Heath Ledger died, which seemed creepily fitting.

He had
Moon: 8.14 Cancer conjunct
Hypnos: 9.15 Cancer conjunct
Nessus: 10.44 Cancer
in his birthchart

At the time of his death, his pr Nessus and pr Hypnos were still conjunct each other, but pr Venus had applied to an exact square, and Venus was the ruler of his pr ASC and 6th house.

Anyway, that is how I "met" Hypnos.

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posted July 27, 2012 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
^^ Oh the thread and the forum will survive all right. They'll be fine.

It's interesting that you're more curious about the disproving of the "theory" rather than being curious to investigate for yourself before forming a conclusion.

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posted July 27, 2012 05:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
^^ Oh the thread and the forum will survive all right. They'll be fine.

It's interesting that you're more curious about the disproving of the "theory" rather than being curious to investigate for yourself before forming a conclusion.

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I said nothing about disproving a theory, but of the posts I've read so far on this thread, I haven't seen one yet that has discussed the extensive evidence reported by the police and other law enforcement and how anybody on this thread may have tied that into/connected that with any astrology charts people on the forum have cast. I'll keep looking, though. Instead, people have heard opinions on the news or have seen a brief segment of video and made rather impetuous statements. Either that, or they have appeared to have abandoned any evidence all together and simply opined based on a chart. (By the way, more than one birth date has surfaced for James Holmes--might throw a slight wrench in the works.) Astrology, mixed with a bit more factual evidence, would be more compelling and satisfying than someone's coy response.

Also read the two links, the link to wikipedia where anyone can edit an entry, and the person's blog, too.

Yes, I'm keeping an open mind. Simply seems too easy to chalk it up to a government conspiracy, though, this early in the state of things.

posted July 27, 2012 08:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
^^ Oh the thread and the forum will survive all right. They'll be fine.

It's interesting that you're more curious about the disproving of the "theory" rather than being curious to investigate for yourself before forming a conclusion.

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Investigation? Linda, you're attempting to find/interpret the chart of the guy, when you don't even know what the time of birth is, and you're attempting to determine his motivations based on what he looks like in court and in his mugshot. Everyone has been jumping in with statements like, "He looks like the devil, it must be Nessus or Lucifer prominent", or "He looks angelic, it must be asteroid Angel". No one knows anything, and none of your assumptions/intuitions/rectifications that are going to change that. If it keeps everyone busy, what the hell. But it has as much relevance as discussing Kristen Stewart's adultery and how mean and soulless she looks.

posted July 27, 2012 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I was noticing that HYPNOS seemed to play a role, when Heath Ledger died, which seemed creepily fitting.

He had
Moon: 8.14 Cancer conjunct
Hypnos: 9.15 Cancer conjunct
Nessus: 10.44 Cancer
in his birthchart

At the time of his death, his pr Nessus and pr Hypnos were still conjunct each other, but pr Venus had applied to an exact square, and Venus was the ruler of his pr ASC and 6th house.

Anyway, that is how I "met" Hypnos.

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I don't know the story of Heath Ledger. Could you tell me, Ceri? How do you see Hynos involved, in your opinion of it?

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posted July 27, 2012 10:08 AM            

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Originally posted by page one:
I just noticed that for you this theory is already a theory in quotes.

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Yes I put "theory" in quotes while referring to the MK-Ultra program (I said it quite clearly in my posts), because the MK-Ultra program is a reality. The MK-Ultra program is not a theory, or a conspiracy, or fiction.

As for my investigation, I'm satisfied with it and that's what matters to me. I've never said or implied that others should be satisfied with my investigation. In fact I've repeatedly encouraged everyone to research for themselves. There's plenty of available information should someone want to put in the effort and time.

And in one of my earlier posts to iQ (in case you missed it), I said, "iQ, astrology aside ..." I wasn't even considering the astrology of either Holmes or the event, but there's plenty of info on that too in this thread. Both Kannon McAfee and iQ are experts in these situations where the birth time/correct date is unavailable and both have weighed in on that score too.

I also feel that it's important to disagree respectfully. I mean if iQ is trying to tell us something, there's no point in killing the messenger. All this shooting is not happening in his country. It's happening in ours. So he's not the one suffering ... except for the suffering any evolved person with an awakened conscience goes through at observing the pain of fellow humans.

Sure we have other more immediate, practical, and pressing problems to face here at home. But iQ cannot solve those for us. So he's trying to help in the way he can, and the way he knows best. I think it's important for us to keep his intentions and good will toward us in mind and be grateful for that.

I mean how many non Americans living half way across the world do we all know who are prepared to spend their precious time (and time is precious for him as he's very busy), urging us to become aware so that we can protect ourselves?

I don't know of even one such person.

posted July 27, 2012 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Yes, I'm keeping an open mind. Simply seems too easy to chalk it up to a government conspiracy, though, this early in the state of things.

By the way, my comment about wondering what would happen to the thread and forum was tongue-in-cheek.

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Excellent approach, imo.

"By the way, my comment about wondering what would happen to the thread and forum was tongue-in-cheek. "

posted July 27, 2012 10:36 AM            

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posted July 27, 2012 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't know the story of Heath Ledger. Could you tell me, Ceri? How do you see Hynos involved, in your opinion of it?

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The cause of his death was confirmed as "Prescription Drug Toxicity".
apparently a mix of prescribed painkillers, antidepressants, Restoril, Vicodin and others.
In a very morbid way his (drugged or poisoned) sleep was the cause of his death.
And Hypnos symbolizes sleep; Nessus used poison (to get Heracles killed in the end).