posted August 06, 2012 09:51 PM            

I read somewhere or the other that in this matchup, Saturn is a Edward Scissor-Hand character, with Venus as the Wynona Ryder character. Everytime Saturn reaches to touch Venus he hurts her, she winces so he pulls back. This starves Venus of affection and gives a feeling of being unloved. So she then withdraws her love/charms.

posted August 07, 2012 05:22 AM            

Edward Scissorhands was actually quite sensitive, but because of his appearance, he was rejected and thus learned to be more defensive in his social approaches and focus more on what he can do; create garden masterpieces.

If Venus opposes Saturn, it is frustrating for both Venus AND Saturn.

If Venus expresses affection, Saturn says "sure you love me, but why? and for how long?" or " I can see that you touching me, what is it that you really want?"

Saturn has esteem issues and won't believe in being loved for the sake of being loved. Everything to Saturn must be "earned". The passage of tme makes things more believable to Saturn.

Ironicaly, over time, it is Saturn(not Venus) who becomes more affectionate in the relationship. Saturn, not venus, holds the relationship together.

posted August 07, 2012 03:24 PM            

To get around challenging aspects look at the house that venus is located in the house where saturn is located in and the cusps that both venus and saturn rule to see how to get around that challenge.

For example if your partner's Saturn in your 10th house and your venus in your 4th house in a synastry pairing, and capricorn is on the cusp of your 6th 6th and libra is on the cusp of your 3rd third and taurus the 10th.

What this means is that to you you're romantic gestures relate to the home/domestic/family and you feel that you are being usurped by your partner's career.

The way for you to get around it is to talk (3rd) about secret fears or talk capricornian basis about amibition and duty/obligation etcon a day to day basis.

The issue stems that his staurn and venus could like fall into other houses which means how he realtes to the issues may be completey different.

Let's say his saturn falls into his 8th house and your venus in his 2nd and his capricorn cusp is 8th and libra cusp is the 5th house and taurus cusp is the 12th house.

you see that his saturn feels duty to 8th house i.e sex death, transformation and he perceives your venus from 2nd house i.e material position. The way to get around his issues is through sex/romance/children and piscean issues.

posted August 07, 2012 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
in composite....
So here is the story, venus tries to just have a conversation with saturn, but saturn just shuts venus down. venus feels hurt and keeps far away from saturn due to constant rejection. How will saturn feel after venus leaves him alone?

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well in synastry, saturn will feel the pain is he becomes aware. sometimes saturn is so used to switch off that it may take time.

posted August 07, 2012 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
Saturn is no cold monster that rejects in totality all the affections of Venus.

Edward Scissorhands was actually quite sensitive, but because of his appearance, he was rejected and thus learned to be more defensive in his social approaches and focus more on what he can do; create garden masterpieces.

If Venus opposes Saturn, it is frustrating for both Venus AND Saturn.

If Venus expresses affection, Saturn says "sure you love me, but why? and for how long?" or " I can see that you touching me, what is it that you really want?"

Saturn has esteem issues and won't believe in being loved for the sake of being loved. Everything to Saturn must be "earned". The passage of tme makes things more believable to Saturn.

Ironicaly, over time, it is Saturn(not Venus) who becomes more affectionate in the relationship. Saturn, not venus, holds the relationship together.

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posted August 07, 2012 11:19 PM            

I have this with a colleague. I suspect they're taken, too much of a catch not to be. But I'm not ready to ask questions. And I'm not sure if I'm interested. Yea, there are cold moments, and it's a sign I promise myself I would NEVER EVER get involved with. So there's that, and I don't push talk like I used to. But this is someone who is very responsive to my overtures. Seeks me out now and then for a giggle. And, I suspect orchestrates **gasp, we're in the room all by ourselves** moments. I'm Venus.

In addition to Venus-Oppose Saturn, we have
Moon conj Venus
pSun tr pVenus
pSun sq pVenus/pMars
pMoon conj pSun...for the next few months.

But I agree with you. If Saturn won't meet you half way it will be too much of an uphill climb.

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How will saturn feel after venus leaves him alone?

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Imo, this will depend on other aspects in the synastry. If Saturn ignores you when talking to others but gives you one-on-one later, he will be hurt. But if Saturn purposely talks to others to get a rise out of you...perhaps it's best to move on.

posted December 13, 2012 11:49 PM            

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If Venus opposes Saturn, it is frustrating for both Venus AND Saturn.

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I'm Saturn and I know I'm frustrated. Venus has rejected every romantic overture so I'm uncertain whether Venus is frustrated or not.

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If Venus expresses affection, Saturn says "sure you love me, but why? and for how long?" or " I can see that you touching me, what is it that you really want?"

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Venus tells Saturn, 'don't ever do that again [footsie]' 'I have other plans, but a date to the cinema could run into the hundreds.' 'No!' 'Quit touching me'

All this while getting visually upset when Saturn ices Venus out.

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Saturn has esteem issues and won't believe in being loved for the sake of being loved. Everything to Saturn must be "earned". The passage of tme makes things more believable to Saturn.

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Says Venus, 'I would give my life for my BFF because I'm know them for xx years' 'my BF's mom & my mom have know each other since they were in diapers.'

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Ironicaly, over time, it is Saturn(not Venus) who becomes more affectionate in the relationship. Saturn, not venus, holds the relationship together.

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As Saturn I am older, and I am the one who mends fences when Venus break them down through stupidity, & impulse. But I guess I was looking for a fling. Venus talks stability & longevity, but I suspect Venus wants someone to possess, control and dominate. This Gemini won't play that game. Also don't think Venus will accept a commitment from Saturn if it was offered.

Everything said here, but the roles are reversed. Still Venus wants attention from Saturn. Saturn hates the endless flirting. At frustration point Saturn freezes Venus completely out. But Venus has an insidious Mars in Cancer that won't go away then the cycle rolls back around.

posted December 14, 2012 02:11 AM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
but if it is a heartbreak aspect mine as well stay away from it altogether? basically i feel that it is way too much work than it is worth. as venus i prefer to be chased, i can't stand do the chasing.

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You should not chase. Saturn won't chase anyways. Please do not expect him to do that.The more you expect him to do things 'like what other guys do' the more you will be hurt. Saturn has subliminal ways of showing you he cares, you just have to be less emotional about 'the hurtful things he has done' to be able to see that. And yes Saturn is hurtful, you have to handle rejection because if you come across too strongly Saturn freezes you out...Saturn wants to know HOW you handle rejection. I know it's not fair...but I have done it to many guys too...to see how much they hold on to me...

Am living the same relationship at the moment. It's difficult I know but Saturn wants to be sure you mean what you said to him or what you say to him. He has ways and ways of testing the value and weight of your words. Don't ever say things that you don't mean to him.Because Saturn will then go to extreme lengths just to 'teach' you a lesson. That is if he cares for you. If not, he will just leave you.Too often Saturn has met people who say things they don't mean, so he's got to make SURE. But even if he is not so 'present' in your life, rest assured he is there watching every move you make but you won''t know it, he won't tell you. Saturn gets more familiar with you with the passage of time. TIME AND TIME. You have to show him that you will be there for him, through thick and thin. Saturn is a sentimental,but he will not wear his heart on his sleeve, not his style!

My venus conjuncts his saturn and his saturn conjuncts my venus at the exact orb. I also have venus conjuncts saturn natal while he has venus quincunx saturn.

His Saturn is in the 5th house natal and falls in my 7th house. While my saturn is in the 7th house natal and falls in his 5th house.

I guess this is why I am so comfortable with the dynamics of this relationship which many people don't 'get'.I have lots of Saturn influence, being it my chart ruler and lots of major aspects to saturn.I understand without him having to tell me why he does what does, BUT BUT he pushes me to the extreme sometimes.. since I have all my personal planets in Leo and Leo is my 7th house, my saturnine features take a back seat when I want someone I so desperately wants things to speed up, but no matter how loud I am about it, he won't move an inch. We are, at the moment, at a very comfortable place both of us, because I have stopped wanting him to do things I want him to do. I just show him that I am there.

posted December 14, 2012 03:04 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
since it is opposition, you (as a couple) my project saturn or venus outside the relationship and will perceive that OTHERS dont share your taste and will limit your venusian expression. if that were the case, you may be looking outside.

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There's some truth in that I believe.
We need to remember that composite is the third party with you and your partner, so it's what others perceive of your relarionships. It's the outside looking in chart. So Venus opposite square (same thing) Saturn in a composite "looks" or "seems" hard for you two to make it as a couple from others point of view, now if it was a square or opposite in a synsatry then that's a different story because that's how your energies join. Which can make you both feel inadequate with each other behind closed doors.

I've had bad Venus Saturns in composite with 2 guys:

1. Synsatry with Venus sextile Saturn & Sun sextile Saturn but the people around us (our past) made it hard for us to commit and pushed back our circumstances, but we still love each other and keep in touch.

posted December 14, 2012 11:51 AM            

Synastry wise it is tough going. Usually I now don't even want to pursue the Saturn - Venus in harsh aspects in friendships cause for me it's like barking up the wrong tree. I can be accommodating and go above and beyond what a friends does but nothing gets returned and things go all one sided.

My stepfather and his daughter BOTH have saturn squaring my venus and the show no interest in having a family relationship. He seems to avoid me like the plague and she has zero time for me and doesn't return phone calls.

There is a person at my church who has his Saturn opposite my Venus and I feel so awkward when I am near this person. He seems nice and open at times but at times he seems cold and blows me off. I called him a few weeks ago and he said that he would phone me back - instinctively I knew he wasn't. - He is working on getting his clientele up for his mediumship business and I had feedback for him......

So I just don't DO the Venus Saturn hard aspect waltz. Life is short and I don't want to waste my time.

posted December 14, 2012 05:45 PM            

With the person above I have a Venus conjunct Mars @ 12 Gemini aspect, I am Mars. This person's Venus is in opposition to Saturn in their natal chart, and thus opposes my Mars in synastry. My own Saturn, in Virgo, is in square aspect to their natal Venus.

Their Saturn is opposed my Mars. My Saturn is square their Venus. I know, t!t-4-tat.

posted December 15, 2012 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I hate to type it, but Saturn most likely will not care since this is an opposition. Some things are never meant to be and must simply be accepted. Please don't take this the wrong way.

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posted December 15, 2012 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by JLyn ~:
Yep.
It's like a nettle pin in each others hearts bleeding in a slow reminders of pain

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posted December 15, 2012 08:33 AM            

(her Mars btw made a T-square with it)

Repeated in declinations, her Saturn in an exact contra-parallel to his Venus.

They both died but had a great marriage I can only be jealous of.

OK, now WHY did this work?

Is it because natally my dad's Saturn made a quincunx to his Venus/Moon (within 1* to venus)?

posted December 15, 2012 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I hate to type it, but Saturn most likely will not care since this is an opposition. Some things are never meant to be and must simply be accepted. Please don't take this the wrong way.

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This is true. Literally, in every single instance where someone's Saturn made a hard aspect to my Venus whether it was a square or an opposition...they were very dismissive and nonchalant where my feelings were concerned, and at times even emotionally abusive or somewhat sadistic.